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You mentioned my offense at your initial response. You are right I was shocked and even a little hurt. especially after I spent so much time trying to connect. I even considered not answering.That was not my initial response; that was Tim's initial response. Tim and I are not the same person.
But then the Lord brought to my mind 1 Peter 3:15 Be ready to give an answer to anyone who asks for the hope you have in Christ.I did not forget to mention that because that was not part of what I was addressing. Is there a particular reason you require that I bring up 1Pe 3:15? I saw where you mentioned "first Peter" to Tim, but that had no relevance to what was being discussed. The reason I did not bring that up is because no one here is asking you to give a reason for the hope that is in you, but rather, we are asking you about what you believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ is, and as far as I can tell, in your response to my comment, you still have not addressed that point.
You forgot to mention this part in your rebuke.
I cant help but notice, rather than see the work of the Holy Spirit. you used my confession as a club to hit me with.I have not seen the work of the Holy Spirit yet. The work of Holy Spirit is defined in Scripture, because Scripture is authored by the Holy Ghost, and some things you wrote contradicted Scripture (which I demonstrated to you), but so far, you have been unwilling to address those things. You said "I will start out by saying I agree with you," but then you proceed to argue against me in the rest of your post, which is contradictory and raises other concerns.
So instead of following my flesh which wanted to be offended. instead I followed the Bibles instructions and tried to answer your Questions.If you addressed that to me, I am not following you. I do not see where you tried to answer anything I said as of yet.
Next, you surmised my testimony into I wanted to have a relationship with the Lord my whole life and finally came to the conclusion I didnt have one.Are you reading it too quickly? Because you missed the entire point of what I was saying. You declared what you believed was the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and that contradicted what the Gospel of Jesus Christ says. I pointed those things out to you, showed you that you defended yourself in conversation with Tim that the "Baptist man" taught you the true Gospel (which was a false gospel, based on what you told us), and now turn around and claim that you agree with me on what I said when I pointed out that it was a false Gospel. Those are contradictory statements, and thus, I still do not understand what you believe.
I agree, that is part of my testimony. But you forgot the second half where the Lord brought me to repentance with the word.
You seemed to like it when I rephrased it in my second post. But then you doubted my sincerity saying that was not a part of my original testimony. Sorry brother, that is not true.What's not true? It's not true that I made those statements? You are not being clear. I don't know what to make of this.
If you reread my original post you will see that I even mentioned the The book and chapter that God used to show me my sin.I do not need to reread it. I noticed that the first time, and that's why I quoted from 2Ti 3 to help you understand the fullness of the matter.
Im not quite done, I need to move my truck.I hope you are okay because it's been two hours since you gave your response; that's a long distance to move a truck.
My first post took several tries I think they got less informative by my third attempt.Yep, I've done that before. Although, my posts are usually so detailed, I just give up after a point. However, if you were working on a computer, you can actually hit the back button, and everything you wrote should still be in the box you typed it in. I'm not sure how that works on phones.
Im also having problems with Making a quote. So instead Ill take it in sections (I dont have access to a laptop I drive for a living)The little buttons above the box you type in things have all sorts of features. The button with the text bubble on it is the quote button.
The nice Baptist man actually did tell me the gospel over our many conversations. I was illustrating that My take away My take away was, I didnt have a relationship with The Lord that he had. But, I knew needed one. Also, keep in mind I was laughing at myself and my stupidity.But Tim was asking what specifically he taught, and I would like to know too because I agree with Tim. When someone is preaching, "You need a personal relationship with Jesus," that is not the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and if you want to say that it is, I will listen to your argument, but I would like you to quote Scripture on that. I can show you were Jesus and His disciples taught repentance (i.e. godly sorrow) and remission (i.e. forgiveness) of sins, but I cannot show you any Scripture where Jesus said "You need a personal relationship with me." I am not saying that a born again Christian's relationship with Jesus Christ is not personal from a conceptual standpoint, but that is not what is taught in Scripture for the preaching of God's Word. So if you have something you would like to share on the Scriptures, I would be interested to read that.
Not sure why I put saved in quotes. I was tired and I was trying to convey my understanding Not all who say a prayer are saved.That makes sense, and I agree, not all who say a prayer are saved.
this was me laughing at myself again. I thought I thought I was having fun, But really I was just a sinner greedy for my sin. I didnt know that relationship with the one true God was better than anything in this world.I think this is where Tim started to discern that something was off, and I will confess, when I read your testimony this morning, I got the same impression as Tim did. Tim works quite a bit at his job, so I don't know if he got time to explain it as thoroughly as he wanted to, but again, what you are saying there is not the Gospel of Jesus Christ. What I mean is that to say, "I am a greedy sinner, and therefore, I need a personal relationship with Jesus," is NOT the Gospel, that is not repentance, and that is not what it means to be born again.
What I wanted to express in my post was I wanted a relationship with the lord.The problem with that is you were claiming to have sought God before repentance of sin. I don't know if you noticed or not, but even when you mentioned repentance in your first post, your post never contained any words like of sin, wrongdoing, corruption, wickedness, guilt, the law... or any other words along those lines. Other Christians who come here have no problem addressing those things because they understand what they were saved from, and when someone preaches the Gospel of Jesus Christ, those things cannot be avoided because:
when the Lord showed me in his word that I was sinning against him, I was sick And I beg forgiveness. He Gave it to me even though I didnt deserve it.I hope that is the case, but that was not the testimony you gave initially, so that is why there is a lot of confusion for us right now.
I used to identify myself as "a Christian," but many years ago I began to discern something wrong with that particular word. It only appears in the scriptures three times and every single time it is attributed to the saints by the heathen and not only do the saints not label themselves "Christians," in the Bible, but the Lord, Himself does not identify His saints as "Christians." He has many words that He identifies His people with; "Christian " is not one of them. Therfore I put "other" under religion, rather than "born again Christian." I have been born of the Holy Spirit of Christ and am a believer in His words. If any man seems to be contentious against my decision to not use that term to identify myself with, I would stand in full assurance that I can explain further in the etymology of the word, the history and the attribution of that identification, as to reason, rightly about it. I've also noted that this forum allows people of other religions to sign up, sick as Buddhist, Hindu, Muslim, Atheist, etc, so I will say that this shouldn't be a problem that I chose to not use the word "Christian" when identifying my faith.Okay, so your selection of the term "Other" on your profile was purposeful. That's answers my question on that.
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:I'm glad you posted that Scripture because that will preface my response perfectly. I need to write an article on that very topic because, every few months or so, we have someone come here who claims they have rejected the term 'Christian' for Biblical reasons, and it is always for the same reasons. I also rejected the term for about a year, until I understood that I was being led astray by Hebrew-roots cultists.
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." 2 Timothy 3:16