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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: rollingh10 on July 18, 2018, 05:30:52 PM
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I used to listen to Scott years ago and learned a lot , however he kind of went to the deep end and I stopped listening to his teachings. I did look at what he is teaching now to see if he is getting back on tract , I found his last teaching is the last straw and I didn't listen to much of part 1 . His subject was CERN and the Mandela Effect , I though he would be teaching against the Mandela effect but he was teaching it was a fact ,I turned him off and did want to hear anymore of it .
(Mark 13:21-23) "And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: {22} For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. {23} But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things."
Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
I have no desire to ever listen to Scott Johnson again .
The only Johnson I will listen to is Chris Johnson , He does a very good job on his teachings and I learned a lot from his teachings .
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I tried to put the verses in blue italics on my post, but it didn't work .
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Tim, you're not the only one. Not only have I stopped listening to him (I too used to listen and learn a lot), but I've had other Christians write me and tell me the exact same thing you're saying. You're not alone on that, and that's because we look to the Word of God first and foremost. I hate to see good preachers be turned to the world instead of staying true to preaching repentance and faith in Christ.
If any of you feel grieved because of the turn Scott has taken, then pray for him that the Lord God would help him (and all of us) to see clearly.
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The guy who showed me creationliberty also showed me scott johnson contending for truth at the same time about a year or so ago. I liked the teachings at first but quickly realized that he wasnt teaching doctrine and his teachings werent edifying in any way. The guy Im referring to still listens to him from what I know...
Try highlighting the text you want first then click italics button (or whatever button you want)
Sometimes I manually type out the code for the option I want and preview to see if it worked... Dont know if that helps but thats what I do...
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I can't understand how someone can have so little discernment to adopt a doctrine that can be easily tracked back to a woman who ist a pagan witch.
I mean this is something that questions the validity and integrity of the bible. The first thing I would do if I came across such a doctrine would be to type it into Google and see who came up with that. Hmm.. Fiona Broome. Sounds like a witch to me. Hmm... She ist a spiritist who hunts ghosts and researches paranormal phenomena..
She even Looks like a witch, for crying out loud! If it Looks like a witch and talks like a witch, then it probably is a witch. Maybe someone should poke people with Fionas broomstick to wake them up.
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Hakim . this Mandela Effect and I don't want create discussion on this subject as what happened on that Flat Earth subject.
It is nothing but a deception just like a card trick or con game , I just wanted to warn folks not go there, Scott needs prayers
If he could be conned or deceived, then others could also be deceived , perhaps some new Christians .
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There's nothing wrong with discussing a topic; the flat earth issue was a problem with a guy in here deceiving, wanting to cause strife, and pick a fight while acting like he was standing on Biblical ground. Please don't misinterpret that to mean that we cannot discuss controversial issues; however, if it's witchcraft, it's witchcraft. Not much more to say. 8)
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I agree , It is witchcraft ,
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That's the reason I will sometimes bring up topics here that are controversial but I would never bring them up around any others outside of this group because others don't have the discernment and learning that this group has and could be damaged or lead away.
Hence, no one can say that we haven't discussed certain topics to the extent that there was nothing more that could be said on the matter.
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Tim, I just wanted to mention that if you want to put scripture in the italic blue, press the blue icon up at the top which has the book (or Bible) symbol in it. That will give you the start/end codes for scripture, so just paste your scripture in between the brackets. Once you hit that button, your cursor will automatically be where it needs to be to just paste it in.
All you have to remember is, if the text you're pasting has any apostrophes in it, you have to replace all those manually or your post will cut off at that point. For some reason, this forum software doesn't like foreign apostrophes, so if you're trying to type from your phone, you're out of luck...
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I found there are other characters it doesn't like too, so it is necessay to check each posting to make sure it is all there.
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Hi Hakim , I want to thank you for the info you gave me on Fiona Broome I should have done a search on this witch before
I posted a reply . I never bothered to find how this Mandela Effect started and who was involved. I don't know why Scott Johnson didn't know this .
Hi Kevin, I know, I should have put more thought on that first reply to Hakim.
thank you and Thomas and Jeanne on how to post Bible verses .
Colossians 3:15 And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.
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Hi Timothy,
you're welcome. To be fair, I found out about that woman through a video discussing this nonsense and didn't dig her Up, myself. I shouldn't have made it look like I had.
Usually If I come across such a thing for the first time I go to YouTube and look what other people could find out about it.
This thing came up so rapidly that I knew it had to be a controlled psyop. Suddenly A LOT of people on YouTube started talking about this at the same time and I don't believe in coincidents. It also became prominent at around the same time as the flat-earth topic and I always viewed These two topics as somehow connected because usually it's the same people who believe in the Mandela Effect, that are also telling you that the earth ist flat, and even the so-called "evidence" is quite similar. These people come up with some wild claims that nobody could ever prove or disprove because even if hypothetically someone Had gone into the past and had changed the Berenstein Bears into the Berenstain Bears, nobody would be able to notice, because everyone who had red these books would always have had the changed version.
On the other hand it is easy to claim that they do this or that at CERN, because almost nobody truly understand what exact they are doing at CERN.
And if I had to guess I'd say they are probably doing something wicked at CERN, judging by all the occult imagery that surrounds this facility and the groups that are involved with it.
But the biggest problem is that the topic causes strife and railing accusations against christians and people falsely associate christians with this junk, like it is the case with the flat-earth.
Also the mandela effect attacks the KJB, as some people now claim that some words had been changed.
Foto example they claim that it used to be "wineskin" instead of "bottle" in the parable of the old and the new wine.
What that does is to damage people's trust in the word of God because the enemy supposedly could alter it as he wants, and that would imply that God is not in control because the enemy could change the outcome of events in the past.
Unfortunately a lot of people fall for this kind of nonsense, especially in the US.
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These are also the same people who push that Planet X/Niburu garbage aren't they? Although, I do have to admit that I was surprised when I kept reading wine bottles lately because I'm sure I remember it being wineskins before. But, since that doesn't change the meaning of the verses at all, it doesn't really matter.
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I wouldn't be so quick to write off that a very large object is coming soon.
Revelation 8 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.
8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; 9 and the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.
10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; 11 and the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.
Spectrocopic analysis shows that there is a lot of cyanide in the atmosphere of Jupiter and Saturn and the moons of other planets etc. This whatever being cast in to the sea and poisoning everything with something that tastes bitter sounds like cyanide.
What we call planets used to be called wandering stars. If a large planet or brown dwarf star and the associated mountain sized rocks and gravel like hail does take the inhabitants of the world by surprise I would rather be far away from where it lands.
I put my trust in the Bible that something is coming, we just don't call it Planet X/Niburu ..... the Bible refers to it as Wormwood.
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I agree also, God's word doesn't change; there's no mandella effect on the bible.
I think wineskins is in the NIV 'translation'.
That's interesting about Wormwood and cyanide.
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Thanks for that, Ruth. The church building I grew up in switched from the KJV to the NIV about the same time they broke away from the United Presbyterian denomination and founded the Evangelical Presbyterian denomination.
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Wine skins are in most of the perverted bible versions , I can not find any mention or the words wine skins in to whole King James bible , I checked the Geneva Bible and it states vessels instead of bottles in Luke 5: 37 Mark 2:22 and Matthew 9:17 not wine skins .
the Geneva Bible was used by the Puritans before the 1611 King James Bible was translated .
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It breaks my heart about Scott Johnson :(
I listened to him when i was first granted godly sorrow by the Lord nearly 5 years ago.I can honestly saythat i gleaned alot from his bible teachings,esp on the bible version issue which encouraged me to research by myself.Sam Adams has done an expose on Scott,one of only a few i listen to including Chris who is altho a pastor in a building in Florida teaches biblically which i will listen to now soon.Scott needs prayer,i firmly believe he is saved but has got far too deep into researching the occult for so long he has been decieved and taken away from the very Bible he once firmly defended.The devil has simply just came to him saying what he said to Eve in Genisis 3:1 ,Yea hath God said,Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
Mandella effect=King James Bible was changed.
I really do fear for new born babes who may come across his ministry now but i pray the Lord Jesus Christ leads the sheep listening to Scott now away so to humble Scott to godly sorrow and to his knees that he has not been and is not doing the will of the Father but teaching doctrines of devils(unknowingly i believe) and back to following the good shepherd once again".
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When i said there that Sam Adams teaches biblically that isn't an invitation to listen to him as incase there is leaven there which i haven't been shown by the Lord yet,i wouldn't want to lead anyone astray.Sorry,i should've said that in my 1st post.
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Hi there , just wanted to put in my 2 cents. I have listened to Scot for years, yet he started to get off the path with the Neplilim thing, i have not really followed him ever since,. He is a brother tough, so we should really pray!!!!
He has helped me quite a bit especially with his health section.
Sam Adams is really the only one I recommend at this point. We were about to move to his area to be able to join his congregation. He has not taught anything out of the KJV doctrine, and Ive listened to most of his teachings.
Nevertheless I do recommend GODS WORD above all. God has made it so that we can , with simple understanding, understand Gods word, and He is faithfull as to lead us into all knwoledge of the Truth. Everyone has things to learn and blind spots to be cleared up. We need to pray for Scot Johnson that he will have his eyes opened and his discernment back where it used to be!!!
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Hello all,
I'm new, but here's my 2 cents.
I have listened to Scott a lot in the earlier days - his dedicated teachings have helped me a ton at least in understanding what's out there. For example: I didn't have to go find out what 'charismania' was on my own... this is the case for other dedicated teachings he's done. I'd be lying if his teachings weren't instrumental in me coming to Christ. I'm thankful for what he's done to an extent.
However, the last couple years it has been difficult to follow the 'current events' stuff, just because there are so many bad alternative media out there and a lot of it is flat out junk and controlled opposition related 'news'. I mean we should at least have the discernment at this point to see that Alex Jones is likely an actor at best who references zero scripture... there is no point in referencing him or his ilk. Also - Trump is really no different than Hilliary IMO - same coin. It would appear that many of us have been influenced by Scott - We ought to pray for him and not think that we are beyond being lead astray even if you are saved.
Also - I am thankful for Chris's effort in teaching sound doctrine and solid research -- however: saying you're only going to listen to him is in fact: Respecting Persons
Regarding: Mandela Effect and Flat Earth -- this is just my opinion,
...but there is more than meets the eye here. The fact that there is a psyop and controlled narrative here should make your ears perk up. Why ? Because there is something here likely they are trying to supress/control while at the same time throw most people out to left field at the expense of their reputation. My point here is clearly there is a lot trash related to these issues -- but I suspect something is there. IE: the Earth is probably round but the Nasa moon stuff is junk so lets throw those people with the flat earthers... or there could be something going on with CERN but lets throw anyone trying to figure out what.. into the box with the mandela effect psychos.... These things are very orchestrated and I would be very careful with them before you make blanket statments.
I cannot say for certain what is going on with Cern or the other wickedness/deception : but there are some instances that make me wonder as it seems off to me:
ie- And Forgive us our debts, as we gorgive our debtors -Matthew 6:12 Was this not tresspasses ? *Me asking this does not constitute my support for Mandela for those who jump to conclusions*
One thing that I have noticed in the last few years is that : Many people underestimate the craftiness of OUR enemy.
If you think you are beyond being deceived or think that someone like Scott or even Christ couldn't be deceived then you have much to learn...
-Zack
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Zack, you're reminding me of my "conspiracy days". I believed in a flat earth but not the Mandela effect. The guy I followed is called Russianvids. According to him, there is lies in the news but the "truth" is in the movies. In other words, movies or some other creation of man would reveal the "truth" in some phrase. He would use the Bible as a way to prove things and point out that this world is deceived by Satan (ironically I think he got Russianvids, too). He would use numerology and if someone's or something's name added up to a certain number, it would be a freemason thing like 33 or 18 which means 666. He would point their hand signs like the ok symbol meant 666. I really regret following the guy and I stopped following him when I started to follow CLE. I was a long time follower when Chris released his Freemason article and I got the real truth.
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Also - I am thankful for Chris's effort in teaching sound doctrine and solid research -- however: saying you're only going to listen to him is in fact: Respecting Persons
Then you either don't know what respecting persons is, or you misunderstood what they were saying. I would listen to Scott Johnson again if he would teach what was Biblically sound again, but because he wants to go down another path, I'm not going to listen to him anymore. We are not supposed to be listening to leavened doctrine; thus, refusing to listening to a leavened preacher, and preferring to listen to an unleavened preacher, is not respecting persons.
To respect persons is to be willing only to listen to someone because of their credentials, title, rank, wealth, or other status symbol. There are Christians here who have listened to both myself, and Scott Johnson, and have chosen to depart from Scott because of the leaven.
It would be prudent to learn what these things mean before accusing others here of sin.
Respecting Persons is Sin (http://www.creationliberty.com/articles/respect.php)
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Zack, you are so right! There are a lot of people putting out info that the 'powers that be' don't want known for some reason so they are distracting with all kinds of DISinformation and people are left to themselves to figure out which is which. The only thing we DO know for sure is that:
Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
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I too used to listen to Scott Johnson. I liked his teachings about Christmas and exposing the Walt Disney Company. Then all of a sudden he started a, as I would call it, kind off horoscopy, all about conspiracies everywhere. Sigh! Yes, I believe in conspiracies, and no, I don't believe you can find them behind every tree in the wood.
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Zack, you're reminding me of my "conspiracy days". I believed in a flat earth but not the Mandela effect. The guy I followed is called Russianvids. According to him, there is lies in the news but the "truth" is in the movies. In other words, movies or some other creation of man would reveal the "truth" in some phrase. He would use the Bible as a way to prove things and point out that this world is deceived by Satan (ironically I think he got Russianvids, too). He would use numerology and if someone's or something's name added up to a certain number, it would be a freemason thing like 33 or 18 which means 666. He would point their hand signs like the ok symbol meant 666. I really regret following the guy and I stopped following him when I started to follow CLE. I was a long time follower when Chris released his Freemason article and I got the real truth.
Hey Zoologistkid, I agree about the conspiracy junk you are referring to. I believe I mentioned this in one of my articles. I found it to be ironic that a lot of people would find themselves watching an hour long breakdown of wicked imagery for a 5 minute music video ?
There is a lot of deception in both flat earth and mandela it would appear. My question regarding the 'trespasses' seems to be from the book of common prayer ? Maybe from my early churchianity days as child perhaps. Someone let me know on the 'trespasses' thing. I thought I made it clear by asking this that I didn't adhere to mandela ??
After my post I listened to Sam Adam's Sermon regarding mandela here: https://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=72318555260
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Also - I am thankful for Chris's effort in teaching sound doctrine and solid research -- however: saying you're only going to listen to him is in fact: Respecting Persons
Then you either don't know what respecting persons is, or you misunderstood what they were saying. I would listen to Scott Johnson again if he would teach what was Biblically sound again, but because he wants to go down another path, I'm not going to listen to him anymore. We are not supposed to be listening to leavened doctrine; thus, refusing to listening to a leavened preacher, and preferring to listen to an unleavened preacher, is not respecting persons.
To respect persons is to be willing only to listen to someone because of their credentials, title, rank, wealth, or other status symbol. There are Christians here who have listened to both myself, and Scott Johnson, and have chosen to depart from Scott because of the leaven.
It would be prudent to learn what these things mean before accusing others here of sin.
Respecting Persons is Sin (http://www.creationliberty.com/articles/respect.php)
Hey Chris,
From the way I read it - it seemed like he was respecting your person because of your status online, youtube, forum owner, etc.
I'm sure there are other "Johnsons" who are biblically sound out there- that's my point. I'm not sure I could make that statement myself:
"The only Johnson I will listen to is Chris Johnson , He does a very good job on his teachings and I learned a lot from his teachings ."
Given the context of the post - it was not wise of me to jump to conclusions and will amend this as needed...
Regarding Scott:
I'm not sure where the disagreement is. I think it would be wise to not listen as well from what I'm seeing. I also think that he has lost his way on some things and doesn't seem to have much accountability. At the same time - I believe it's possible for someone to be saved and lose their way. That's why I suggested praying for him to get back sound doctrine and away from the 'red alert' junk. I also give him credit in his efforts in his early teaching which has helped me see some things. I only recently have been checking his stuff out again because like most here -- I didn't like the way things were going for quite some time...
Have you taken him off your site ?
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Hello all,
I'm new, but here's my 2 cents.
I have listened to Scott a lot in the earlier days - his dedicated teachings have helped me a ton at least in understanding what's out there. For example: I didn't have to go find out what 'charismania' was on my own... this is the case for other dedicated teachings he's done. I'd be lying if his teachings weren't instrumental in me coming to Christ. I'm thankful for what he's done to an extent.
However, the last couple years it has been difficult to follow the 'current events' stuff, just because there are so many bad alternative media out there and a lot of it is flat out junk and controlled opposition related 'news'. I mean we should at least have the discernment at this point to see that Alex Jones is likely an actor at best who references zero scripture... there is no point in referencing him or his ilk. Also - Trump is really no different than Hilliary IMO - same coin. It would appear that many of us have been influenced by Scott - We ought to pray for him and not think that we are beyond being lead astray even if you are saved.
Also - I am thankful for Chris's effort in teaching sound doctrine and solid research -- however: saying you're only going to listen to him is in fact: Respecting Persons
Regarding: Mandela Effect and Flat Earth -- this is just my opinion,
...but there is more than meets the eye here. The fact that there is a psyop and controlled narrative here should make your ears perk up. Why ? Because there is something here likely they are trying to supress/control while at the same time throw most people out to left field at the expense of their reputation. My point here is clearly there is a lot trash related to these issues -- but I suspect something is there. IE: the Earth is probably round but the Nasa moon stuff is junk so lets throw those people with the flat earthers... or there could be something going on with CERN but lets throw anyone trying to figure out what.. into the box with the mandela effect psychos.... These things are very orchestrated and I would be very careful with them before you make blanket statments.
I cannot say for certain what is going on with Cern or the other wickedness/deception : but there are some instances that make me wonder as it seems off to me:
ie- And Forgive us our debts, as we gorgive our debtors -Matthew 6:12 Was this not tresspasses ? *Me asking this does not constitute my support for Mandela for those who jump to conclusions*
One thing that I have noticed in the last few years is that : Many people underestimate the craftiness of OUR enemy.
If you think you are beyond being deceived or think that someone like Scott or even Christ couldn't be deceived then you have much to learn...
-Zack
@Jeanne - yes there is so much deception - I don't want to ever think that I am beyond being susceptible to it.
***Also, WOW - re-reading my post I realized I made a crucial spelling error --
"One thing that I have noticed in the last few years is that : Many people underestimate the craftiness of OUR enemy.
If you think you are beyond being deceived or think that someone like Scott or even Christ couldn't be deceived then you have much to learn..."
It should have been Scott or even Chris... not Christ. :( Will be more careful in the future.
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I just wanted to add a little here.
I think it was Brian Holycross that told me once that Scott Johnson was saying something very hypocritical. . . I never did look up the interview.
I have not listened to him in a long time: Brian or Scott, LOL!
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*bump*
I'm revisiting this thread to either be corrected /amend the situation or move on with what I understood as 'respecting persons' in this context.