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What's New @ CLE / (WEEKLY TEACHING) Corruptions of Christianity: Seventh-day Adventism p8
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What's New @ CLE / (WEEKLY TEACHING) Corruptions of Christianity: Seventh-day Adventism p7
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Introduce Yourself / Re: New member- greetings!
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I personally do not recommend reading the Gospels and going back to Genesis. I recommend reading one of the Gospels to start, then going to Acts and then Romans and so on. Once you go through the NT, I would recommend reading another of the Gospels, then going back to Genesis. The order of the books of the New Testament are not in any chronological order, but rather, they are in order of importance of doctrine, starting out with the foundation of basics in Romans, and working through more in-depth doctrine as it goes.
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What's New @ CLE / (WEEKLY TEACHING) Corruptions of Christianity: Seventh-day Adventism p6
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What's New @ CLE / (WEEKLY TEACHING) Corruptions of Christianity: Seventh-day Adventism p5
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What's New @ CLE / (WEEKLY TEACHING) Corruptions of Christianity: Seventh-day Adventism p4
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Wild Emails @ CLE / Good Question About Lucifer Does NOT Mean Satan
« on: September 21, 2023, 05:05:36 PM »
I recently made a post in the updates section that is a correction of a doctrine I previously taught that was wrong, and that is that "Lucifer" in Isa 14:12 is referring to Satan. That is incorrect, it is referring to the King of Babylon, likely Belshazzar, since he was the last King of Babylon. Sadly, I learned the wrong thing from Kent Hovind, since he was my first teacher, and I can't go back and change my old teachings on audio to fix that. I'll just make corrections in new teachings as I go, as well as correct old written teachings when I can, and that'll take time.
It's rare that I get good questions in email, but sometimes I do. I wanted to share this one because I thought it would be helpful to others:
RANDY FROM MINNESOTA:
Hi Chris - just a quick note to say that I saw your forum note and I agree with your comments regarding Isaiah 14 as a chapter that is specifically referring to the king of Babylon. Every verse in chapters 13 and 14 point to this. I have wondered at this for a while, or at least I had the question as to where we get that it was Satan. But I was listening to what many false teachings were saying. So, In the past I just settled on a duel perspective, both Satan and Babylonian King. But after your comments I think it is the King of Babylon. So thanks for your thoughts. But I am wondering then does this mean that Lucifer is just a term used to describe the King as a “self enlightened” one? Not referring to Satan. And if so, this means that Lucifer is not another name or the prior name of Satan. Wondering if this is what you think as well.
People can call Satan "Lucifer" if they want, but it's simply a misunderstanding, and it became a sort of cultural "meme" that "Lucifer" now refers to Satan, simply because people wanted to interpret "falling from heaven" as literal, rather than metaphorical, representing the King of Babylon being greatest of all thrones in all kingdoms of the world, being lifted up high and falling far. A lot of memes have been created based on misinterpretations of things; I'm mean, case in point, lightning is worshiped as a god by pagans, so I don't see much difference.
The Luciferians simply worship a "god" who they think is a "lightbearer" (as the word 'lucifer' indicates), and thus, as we have confirmation in other Scriptures, they worship devils, meaning that they worship Satan anyway, whether knowingly or unknowningly.
But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.
-1Co 10:20
END OF DISCUSSION
It's rare that I get good questions in email, but sometimes I do. I wanted to share this one because I thought it would be helpful to others:
RANDY FROM MINNESOTA:
Hi Chris - just a quick note to say that I saw your forum note and I agree with your comments regarding Isaiah 14 as a chapter that is specifically referring to the king of Babylon. Every verse in chapters 13 and 14 point to this. I have wondered at this for a while, or at least I had the question as to where we get that it was Satan. But I was listening to what many false teachings were saying. So, In the past I just settled on a duel perspective, both Satan and Babylonian King. But after your comments I think it is the King of Babylon. So thanks for your thoughts. But I am wondering then does this mean that Lucifer is just a term used to describe the King as a “self enlightened” one? Not referring to Satan. And if so, this means that Lucifer is not another name or the prior name of Satan. Wondering if this is what you think as well.
People can call Satan "Lucifer" if they want, but it's simply a misunderstanding, and it became a sort of cultural "meme" that "Lucifer" now refers to Satan, simply because people wanted to interpret "falling from heaven" as literal, rather than metaphorical, representing the King of Babylon being greatest of all thrones in all kingdoms of the world, being lifted up high and falling far. A lot of memes have been created based on misinterpretations of things; I'm mean, case in point, lightning is worshiped as a god by pagans, so I don't see much difference.
The Luciferians simply worship a "god" who they think is a "lightbearer" (as the word 'lucifer' indicates), and thus, as we have confirmation in other Scriptures, they worship devils, meaning that they worship Satan anyway, whether knowingly or unknowningly.
But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.
-1Co 10:20
END OF DISCUSSION
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What's New @ CLE / Re: (CORRECTION) Isaiah 14:12 is NOT Talking About Satan
« on: September 19, 2023, 06:07:53 PM »
Also, it could be Belshazzar being spoken of for the "king of Babylon," but it could be any king since they all acted the same way and did the same things.
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What's New @ CLE / (CORRECTION) Isaiah 14:12 is NOT Talking About Satan
« on: September 19, 2023, 12:01:25 PM »
Once again, I have to thank Kent Hovind for teaching me false doctrine because I have repeated something he taught everyone which was not true. The one named "Lucifer" in Isaiah 14 is NOT referring to Satan. I am not saying that there are people who refer to Satan as "Lucifer," but that is not the context of Isaiah 14, and sadly, I have, many times, taught that wrong.
This is a name that was being given to Nebuchadnezzar because the context of the chapter (and surrounding chapters) is Babylon.
Let's read it again:
Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee. How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners? All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house. But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet. Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned. Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities. For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD. I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools of water: and I will sweep it with the besom of destruction, saith the LORD of hosts.
-Isa 14:11-23
It was Nebuchadnezzar that considered that he, being the man with the highest authority in the world, thought he would ascend into godhood. It was Nebuchadnezzar who God said would be brought down to hell for his arrogance. He was a leader of the world at the time, and when he was bought low, the people marveled at him that he, at one time, had made the nations to tremble in fear. This is why God said he would rise up and cut off Babylon, which He did, and that is why, today, Babylon is nothing but a shadow in name.
Nebuchadnezzar thought he was going to bring light to the world, which is why he is mockingly called "Lucifer" in this passage, which may have even been a name he gave to himself at one point.
Sorry that I taught this wrong for so long. I still have doctrines imprinted into me by corrupt teachers that I am slowly working out.
This is a name that was being given to Nebuchadnezzar because the context of the chapter (and surrounding chapters) is Babylon.
Let's read it again:
Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee. How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners? All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house. But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet. Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned. Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities. For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD. I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools of water: and I will sweep it with the besom of destruction, saith the LORD of hosts.
-Isa 14:11-23
It was Nebuchadnezzar that considered that he, being the man with the highest authority in the world, thought he would ascend into godhood. It was Nebuchadnezzar who God said would be brought down to hell for his arrogance. He was a leader of the world at the time, and when he was bought low, the people marveled at him that he, at one time, had made the nations to tremble in fear. This is why God said he would rise up and cut off Babylon, which He did, and that is why, today, Babylon is nothing but a shadow in name.
Nebuchadnezzar thought he was going to bring light to the world, which is why he is mockingly called "Lucifer" in this passage, which may have even been a name he gave to himself at one point.
Sorry that I taught this wrong for so long. I still have doctrines imprinted into me by corrupt teachers that I am slowly working out.
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What's New @ CLE / (WEEKLY TEACHING) Corruptions of Christianity: Seventh-day Adventism p3
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What's New @ CLE / (WEEKLY TEACHING) Corruptions of Christianity: Seventh-day Adventism p2
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What's New @ CLE / (WEEKLY TEACHING) Corruptions of Christianity: Seventh-day Adventism p1
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What's New @ CLE / (WEEKLY TEACHING) The Church is Not a Building p2
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What's New @ CLE / (WEEKLY TEACHING) The Church is Not a Building p1
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What's New @ CLE / (WEEKLY TEACHING) Numerology is Occult Divination p4
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General Discussion / Re: "I went to heave/hell" Who's telling the truth?
« on: July 29, 2023, 08:13:33 AM »
I did a teaching last year talking about that issue.
http://www.creationliberty.com/articles/hell.php
http://www.creationliberty.com/articles/hell.php
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Bible Discussion / Re: Easter in the KJV
« on: July 27, 2023, 10:59:51 PM »
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What's New @ CLE / (WEEKLY TEACHING) Numerology is Occult Divination p3
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