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Another Worshiper of Feelings
« on: January 04, 2023, 06:36:50 AM »

JANNA FROM IOWA:

I have been perusing your website today. I was thrilled to see that we agree on almost everything then...speaking in tongues. I speak in tongues. I am 50 and was given this Gift in my early 20's. I was raised in the E.Free church, attended Bible College, have attended many churches and even a Pentecostal school in Tampa. Shortly after that I left the church for 20 years because all of it left me uneasy. I stopped using my tongues for a long time. Then sometimes I would do it to entertain my daughters when they were young. I didn't even teach them about God because I just didn't know... I lost my faith. I felt grieved but one cannot force faith.

Then because I was an activist against industrial wind I found myself walking in San Francisco in the Spring of 2019 and God dropped Romans 1:25 in my heart. It was a seed that grew mighty. My daughters and my husband now believe. My faith in Him and His Word is my measure for everything.

I use my Gift of tongues when I am alone and when I don't have the words. I have, at times, been able to find peace when my head is full of so many thought and words that I can't keep them straight. It is like my spirit speaks words from my heart directly to Him yet bypasses my head.

I have seen this gift misused greatly in the church and have known people who would pretend to have this Gift to be accepted in certain circles.

You seem to think tongues are "gibberish" but I listen to mine and they are defined. My mind can think during them. I can sing with them. Now they are almost normal and I will use them almost offhandedly while I am thinking of the things of God.

That is my testimony of that. Obviously, you do not have to believe me but please do not throw it away because of the sin of others. Please talk to the Spirit and reconsider your stance. Thanks for all your great information, your words have blessed me!

Janna
This is my real name, real location. I can be Googled because of my activism.



I have been perusing your website today. I was thrilled to see that we agree on almost everything then...speaking in tongues. I speak in tongues. I am 50 and was given this Gift in my early 20's. I was raised in the E.Free church, attended Bible College, have attended many churches and even a Pentecostal school in Tampa. Shortly after that I left the church for 20 years because all of it left me uneasy. I stopped using my tongues for a long time. Then sometimes I would do it to entertain my daughters when they were young. I didn't even teach them about God because I just didn't know... I lost my faith. I felt grieved but one cannot force faith.
I'm sorry, but I need to stop for a moment. Why are you telling me all this?

Then because I was an activist against industrial wind I found myself walking in San Francisco in the Spring of 2019 and God dropped Romans 1:25 in my heart. It was a seed that grew mighty. My daughters and my husband now believe. My faith in Him and His Word is my measure for everything.
Yeah, everyone says that. What they do is a completely different matter.

I use my Gift of tongues when I am alone and when I don't have the words. I have, at times, been able to find peace when my head is full of so many thought and words that I can't keep them straight. It is like my spirit speaks words from my heart directly to Him yet bypasses my head.
If you want to go speak your baby gibberish to make your children laugh (or Satanic gibberish, whatever you want to call it) you are free to go do whatever you want. Again, I'm baffled as to why you are telling me all this. Is it that you want me to abandon the Word of God and make decisions on doctrine based on how you personally feel? ???
He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.
-Pro 28:26


I have seen this gift misused greatly in the church and have known people who would pretend to have this Gift to be accepted in certain circles.
You seem to think tongues are "gibberish" but I listen to mine and they are defined. My mind can think during them. I can sing with them. Now they are almost normal and I will use them almost offhandedly while I am thinking of the things of God.

Okay, so why are you writing all this to me? I still don't understand what your goal is, other than for you to express your feelings to try to get me to change my doctrine, that I might adhere to your Pentecostal upbringing. I'll just make it clear for you; that's not going to happen (because I base my teachings on God's Word, not on how you feel), so if you have another goal in mind, you need to state it clearly so I understand what you're doing because I don't want us to waste each others' time.

That is my testimony of that. Obviously, you do not have to believe me but please do not throw it away because of the sin of others. Please talk to the Spirit and reconsider your stance. Thanks for all your great information, your words have blessed me!
What you're doing is using baby gibberish and claiming that your feelings are the equivalent of the Holy Spirit, which is dangerous. That is my testimony of that. Obviously, you do not have to believe me, but please do not throw it away because of the traditions and rudiments of the world.
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
-Col 2:8

Please talk to the Lord God, search the Scriptures, and reconsider your stance.

This is my real name, real location. I can be Googled because of my activism.
Okay. Have a great day. :)


Wow, you are not a nice guy. By their fruits you will know them....


Jesus wasn't a very "nice" person either, at least, according to his opposition.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
-Mat 23:27


END OF DISCUSSION

There was A LOT of REALLY weird stuff that I did not respond to her about. I'll make another comment and go through some of those.
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Re: Another Worshiper of Feelings
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2023, 07:23:17 AM »
I'm used to oddities when I receive letters, but this was unique in a number of ways.

I have been perusing your website today.
At least she was more honest than others. She was straight-forward and admitted that she hadn't seen much. Likely, she was just skimming through a few things until she came across something she didn't like.

I was thrilled to see that we agree on almost everything then...speaking in tongues. I speak in tongues.
No, she doesn't. She uses baby gibberish and, perhaps, prances around the room with emotion, but she doesn't speak in tongues as they did in Scripture. She just calls it "speaking in tongues" because of her upbringing.

I am 50 and was given this Gift in my early 20's.
I disagree. I think she was given the gift when she was a baby. That's why it's called "baby gibberish."

I was raised in the E.Free church
I must confess that I have no idea "E.Free" means, and frankly, I don't care because it's probably more denominational nonsense.
Denominations Are Unbiblical

attended Bible College, have attended many churches and even a Pentecostal school in Tampa.
Again, I appreciate her forthcoming manner because it solved a lot of mysteries without having to deduce much. She's 50. She's attended corrupt seminaries and Pentecostal schools. She has been corrupted with the religious traditions of men, and for someone her junior in age to correct her is simply abhorrent to her, especially when she has been lifted up in the pride of her heart to believe she has special powers from God.

At this point in the letter, I knew she wasn't going to listen to a word I said to her, which leaves us with an interesting conundrum: Why is she writing to me? Why not just move on? The only logical reason she would have to write to me is because she wants me to change my teaching on speaking in tongues so she doesn't have to suffer any rebuke.
Correction is grievous unto him that forsaketh the way: and he that hateth reproof shall die.
-Pro 15:10

It's as simple as that. If there is any other reason for this letter, I invited her to explain it to me, but her one-line offended response told me I hit the nail on the head, and so rather than examine her own foolishness, she choose to attack me to make herself feel justified. This is dime-a-dozen in emails I get. ::)

Shortly after that I left the church for 20 years because all of it left me uneasy. I stopped using my tongues for a long time. Then sometimes I would do it to entertain my daughters when they were young.
I was floored when she said this. She claims she received a spiritual gift of speaking in tongues, and then, used it to entertain. She's either not taking the Word of God very seriously, or she thinks that her so-called "spiritual gift" is a joke. Take that philosophy in combination with the pride of having "spiritual powers," and you get a letter like this.

I didn't even teach them about God because I just didn't know... I lost my faith. I felt grieved but one cannot force faith.
See what I mean? She claims she had "lost her faith," but still spoke in tongues to entertain her children, which requires faith. There are so many contradictory statements in her letter, it's baffling. However, please note that Janna would absolutely REFUSE to accept what I taught for a very important reason: If what I am teaching is correct according to God's Word, then she would have to be humbled to admit she had embarrassed herself repeatedly in front of her family, and based on the short letters she sent me, I don't think that's going to happen.

This also gives me some indication that she's never come to repentance of her sins. I'm not sure about that because the information in this letter is limited, but pride and humility are polar opposites, which means she probably needs to read this more than anything:
Why Millions of Believers on Jesus Are Going to Hell

Then because I was an activist against industrial wind I found myself walking in San Francisco in the Spring of 2019 and God dropped Romans 1:25 in my heart. It was a seed that grew mighty. My daughters and my husband now believe. My faith in Him and His Word is my measure for everything.
So she claims she was raised with faith in God through Pentecostalism, then lost faith in God. I would argue there was no faith there because Pentecostals worship a false god. But then... what brought her to faith was activism against "industrial wind," which I am assuming is not industrial flatulence, but rather, against the wind turbines. As much as I am against wind turbines (because they are inefficient, spending more than you get, and a blight on the local ecology), geopolitical "activism" doesn't save people, or Jesus would have recommended the apostles go out and do that to save souls. ???

I use my Gift of tongues when I am alone and when I don't have the words.
Strange... when I'm alone and I don't have words, I just shut up. Seems like the logical solution. :-\ I don't know why she feels the need to keep talking at that point.

I have, at times, been able to find peace when my head is full of so many thought and words that I can't keep them straight. It is like my spirit speaks words from my heart directly to Him yet bypasses my head.
Hold on. You just said you don't have the words, but then said that your head is full of so many thoughts and words that you can't keep them straight. Well, a normal person would take a deep breath, calm down, and start with one at a time.

My contention is that she thinks that, while she is confused, God can't help her out in English, a language she understands. ???

I have seen this gift misused greatly in the church and have known people who would pretend to have this Gift to be accepted in certain circles.
I have no doubt that she's seen baby gibberish misused. I've seen it misused too, and it keeps parents up when they would like to get another hour of sleep.

You seem to think tongues are "gibberish" but I listen to mine and they are defined.
This shows me that she read the title of my article, and wrote me this email. She didn't read it or listen to the teaching. They love to act like they're open to hearing things and reasoning together, at least, in the first letter. Then, once their philosophy and intentions have been challenged, we get to see a new side of them.

My mind can think during them. I can sing with them. Now they are almost normal and I will use them almost offhandedly while I am thinking of the things of God.
Babies can think when they do it too. Babies sing with it too. When the Pentecostals summon up their demonic spirits to do it, it's not as if they lose their ability to think, and they sing with it as well. I don't know what point she's trying to make here.

That is my testimony of that. Obviously, you do not have to believe me but please do not throw it away because of the sin of others. Please talk to the Spirit and reconsider your stance.
I repeated this line back to her and she got upset. Maybe she shouldn't dish out what she can't take.

But one difference I want everyone to notice is that when she wrote to me, she said to "talk to the Spirit," but when I wrote to her, I told her to talk to the Lord God and search the Scriptures. HUGE DIFFERENCE. Essentially, she wanted me to get a Joseph-Smith-style "feeling in the bosom" like she does, because that's what the Pentecostals taught her to do, and thus, the god she is worshiping is the emotions of her heart, not based on the written Word of God and His instruction to us.

Thanks for all your great information, your words have blessed me!
What? She only skimmed through a few things in a short amount of time in one day. Based on how quickly she turned on me, I am almost fully convinced this was just some flattering words. To me, it's sickening when people offer flattery, especially when done deceitfully like this.
They speak vanity every one with his neighbour: with flattering lips and with a double heart do they speak.
-Psa 12:2


Let's summarize. Janna wrote this letter to rebuke and correct me. She didn't want to say that, but that's what it was for. However, what was her evidence for correction? Did she quote me and then quote the Scriptures to correct me? Nope. She offered her feelings, and that tells us everything we need to know about what she really worships.

Remember, doing the right thing does not always mean that you will appear "nice" in the eyes of others. Good things can come in packages that seem harmful, and bad things can come in packages that seem wonderful.
But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we. For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
-2Co 11:12-15


She then signed her name, and said:
This is my real name, real location. I can be Googled because of my activism.
Well, since she offered it, and since she makes her name public in a number of articles she's written on the subject (and she's a member of public boards overseeing such matters), her name is Janna Swanson, and here's a sample:
https://www.farmprogress.com/energy/industrial-wind-farms-horrible-nuisance

When we read things like this, we never stop and consider that some of these people perform rituals of Satanic gibberish in their households. If she wants to speak gobbledygook to God, she's free to do so (i.e. it is none of my business what you do between you and God personally in your own prayer time), but if Janna wants me to teach that to other people, she'll need to find somewhere else to go. I hope her and her family are well cared for during the rough coming year.
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Re: Another Worshiper of Feelings
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2023, 11:04:29 AM »
I still can't believe how many people hold on to this concept. It's not even like the phrase "tongue" is an archaic English euphemism for a different language, I've heard it used in my lifetime when someone describes a language they don't know "A foreign tongue".

1 Corinthians 14:2 For he that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth [him;] howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. {14:3} But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men [to] edification, and exhortation, and comfort. {14:4} He that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

Now if someone wants to get REALLY technical about it, yes, I'm aware that the "unknown" label was added in by the King James translators, but even in context, at the end of verse 2, it says that whoever does it speaks to God because no man understands...this means it is not a known language (alive or dead). But even without that, it blatantly says that prophecy (biblical teaching, direct from the bible) is much more valuable and helps to edify the church...not just the one person. If anything you could say that speaking in tongues is an act of selfishness because even at best it'll only ever edify the person, not the church, and our goal should be to serve the church (the body of born again believers in christ), not ourselves.
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Re: Another Worshiper of Feelings
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2023, 01:33:50 AM »
That's accurate. They think the simple word 'tongue' must have some mysticism at its core, when all of them have one in their mouths. ::) It's just amazing to me how many of them refer back to the Day of Pentecost, even though NONE of them today are doing what they did at Pentecost, because that would require an actual miracle. ???
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Re: Another Worshiper of Feelings
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2023, 03:14:22 AM »
I have to wonder sometimes...do these people think that if someone doesn't have a tongue (birth defect, accident, surgery, etc.)...does that mean they can't be saved because they can't speak in one tongue let alone many?

Not a serious question but I do wonder how far they'll take the concept sometimes. ::)
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Re: Another Worshiper of Feelings
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2023, 04:30:55 AM »
Even if they're deaf, blind, and dumb... they can still have "holy" seizures. :o

BTW, this woman decided to go on a rant against me on my Rumble channel videos. Apparently, just title of my article was enough to set her off in a rage crusade. If she was really faithful in what she believed, why is her faith shaken so badly by just the title to one of my articles, which she didn't bother to read? ???
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Re: Another Worshiper of Feelings
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2023, 01:54:14 AM »
They also don't like it when you point out that the same behaviours you see for those who claim to speak in tongues, be slain in the spirit and other bizarre charismatic traditions is also something you'll see almost verbatim in Hinduism (some will even start crawling around and acting like animals). Can't remember if you mentioned it in the teaching or not but the resemblances between the two are too eerie to be dismissed as coincidence.
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Re: Another Worshiper of Feelings
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2023, 06:27:44 PM »
The thing that got me was when she said:

"I stopped using my tongues for a long time. Then sometimes I would do it to entertain my daughters when they were young."

Is she insane??  How flippant.  If she really DID have the gift of tongues (like, say she was at Pentecost) would she use a gift of the Holy Spirit to entertain??? Yikes.  I would expect an Ananias and Sapphira moment.

10 As every man hath received the gift, even so minister the same one to another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God.

11 If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. 1 Peter 4:10-11


All things should be done to the glory of GOD.  "Tongues" babblers only glorify themselves.

And any gift should be used to the edifying of the church

Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.



Also when she said:

"It is like my spirit speaks words from my heart directly to Him yet bypasses my head."

That sounds like a trance to me.  Like she's being taken over by an entity.  (Kundalini sprirt?)

In my experience, it's just as difficult for these people to come out of their belief in experiences as it is for a professing Christian to see through their white washed sepulchres.  Mainly because they do truly experience something (false signs and wonders).

Ugh.  I pray that God wakes her up to the deception she is under.

A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed. Matthew 16:4


 

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Re: Another Worshiper of Feelings
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2023, 06:56:49 PM »
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"It is like my spirit speaks words from my heart directly to Him yet bypasses my head."

That sounds like a trance to me. Like she's being taken over by an entity. (Kundalini sprirt?)

Bingo.
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