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(CORRECTION) Stick With 'Godhead', Not 'God in Three Persons'
« on: December 05, 2019, 03:25:47 PM »
I have renamed and rewritten the old article, "The Trinity vs God in Three Persons," into the new:
I'm not sure I would call this a "correction" as much as a renovation to keep things within Scriptural terms. On a technical level, I still do believe the phrase "God in Three Persons" works, and the reason is because the word 'person' is used many times in Scripture, and it is used in context of defining an individual; however, it is also sometimes used in terms of defining and office or station, like how I describe in the teaching "Respecting Persons is Sin," and therefore, it can cause some confusion, especially among heretics who falsely accuse, because they may equate the term 'person' with an "office" or "form" of God, rather than God Himself.

In a previous forum post, I had addressed a heretic by the name of Edward (i.e. specifically Edwardpf123, a man who teaches a wide variety of false doctrines), who made a Youtube video scoffing at my teaching on the subject. Tim, one of our moderators here on the forum, and member of our church (who used to subscribe to Edward's channel many years ago), analyzed my new teaching and some of Edwards more recent videos on this subject, and discovered that Edward believes mostly the same thing that I teach, but Edward denies that the Father and the Son are one, as Jesus clearly stated in the Bible. Not only is Christ and the Father one, but so are Christ and the Holy Ghost, as He states in John 14:

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it. If ye love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
-John 14:6-18


Jesus is claiming to be the Father, while the Father and the Son are separate entities, they are one at the same time. Jesus also said He would send a Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit, and He then said, "I will come to you," which is Christ claiming to be the Holy Ghost as well. God is infinite, omniscient, and omnipresent, and we are simply incapable of understanding the fullness of His essence, and so if we cannot understand it, then we should simply believe it for the sake of the evangelistic works that we do, that the church be not divided over nonsensical theories and false doctrines.

If heretics like Edward do not want to believe Christ, that's their business. God has given men liberty to deny Christ if they choose. However, I want Christians to be aware of the deception of such men, most especially Youtube preachers, who are a dime-a-dozen nowadays, who falsely accuse others, while scoffing from the foundation of a malicious heart. I pray that God would bring Edward to repentance (i.e. grief and godly sorrow) of his sin, so he can be saved, and have his understanding opened, as we have received God's grace of understanding.

For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake. One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies. This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
-Titus 1:10-13


In summary, if we stick with the Biblical term 'Godhead', it brings people's attention back to the Scripture, so they will not get involved in endless debates about what a 'person' is. If you want to learn more about this subject, please follow this link to the teaching:
The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit.
-Psa 34:18

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Re: (CORRECTION) Stick With 'Godhead', Not 'God in Three Persons'
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2019, 11:52:11 AM »
One important update: I had another Christian bring to my attention yesterday that I had written something incorrect about Tertullian. I had said he did not believe that God was three in substance, but in form, which would be heresy. (i.e. The heresy would be to claim that Jesus was just a "form" of God, and not an individual entity that was of the three in unity.) Tertullian's writings are a bit difficult to understand, and I made the mistake of misunderstanding his description of Praxeus's false doctrines as Tertullian's own doctrine. I have corrected that on the website, but that does not take away from Tertullian's other false doctrines, like how he does not believe that the Holy Ghost is God nor that the Holy Ghost is living, just an one of many examples; thus, even if Tertullian described the Godhead in the correct way, his beliefs about Christ and the Holy Spirit corrupts those would read what he teaches, and therefore, the only place for his doctrine is in the trashcan.
The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit.
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Re: (CORRECTION) Stick With 'Godhead', Not 'God in Three Persons'
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2020, 03:01:27 PM »
https://youtu.be/opKwoNfJmfg Christopher, I been listening to this teaching by Jesse Vassil on the Godhead it is informative and I'm wondering if you could comment on it. One thing Jesse taught was that no where in the KJB will you find God the Son or God the Holy Spirit. It is the spirit of God and the Lord Jesus Christ. 46 minutes into it he shows .The Father names;the Almighty 42x's, God the Father 13x's , TMost High God 11x's, The Hightest 6x's, Mighty God 8x's. Abba3x's, Ancient of Days 3x's,Almighty God 2x's, The only true God 1x's,   Jesus Christ- Son of God 47x's, only begotten 6x's, Comforter 4x's, Mediator4x's, God's holy child 2x's, The firstbegotten 1x's, Advocate 1x's,---The Holy Spirit- Spirit of God 9x's, Holy Spirit7x's, Thy Spirit 4x's,  Spirit of Christ2x's, The Holy Spirit of God1x's, the Spirit of your Father1x's, spirit of Jesus Christ1x's, Spirit of His Son 1x's.  Trinitarian- God the Holy Spirit 0x's, God the  Son 0x's, God the Spirit 0x's, God in three persons 0x's, trinity 0x's, Co-equal 0x's, co-eternal 0x's, consubstantial  0x's.

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Re: (CORRECTION) Stick With 'Godhead', Not 'God in Three Persons'
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2020, 04:46:39 PM »
Could you be more specific about what want me to comment on?
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Re: (CORRECTION) Stick With 'Godhead', Not 'God in Three Persons'
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2020, 04:54:11 PM »
https://youtu.be/opKwoNfJmfg Christopher, I been listening to this teaching by Jesse Vassil on the Godhead it is informative and I'm wondering if you could comment on it. One thing Jesse taught was that no where in the KJB will you find God the Son or God the Holy Spirit. It is the spirit of God and the Lord Jesus Christ. 46 minutes into it he shows .The Father names;the Almighty 42x's, God the Father 13x's , TMost High God 11x's, The Hightest 6x's, Mighty God 8x's. Abba3x's, Ancient of Days 3x's,Almighty God 2x's, The only true God 1x's,   Jesus Christ- Son of God 47x's, only begotten 6x's, Comforter 4x's, Mediator4x's, God's holy child 2x's, The firstbegotten 1x's, Advocate 1x's,---The Holy Spirit- Spirit of God 9x's, Holy Spirit7x's, Thy Spirit 4x's,  Spirit of Christ2x's, The Holy Spirit of God1x's, the Spirit of your Father1x's, spirit of Jesus Christ1x's, Spirit of His Son 1x's.  Trinitarian- God the Holy Spirit 0x's, God the  Son 0x's, God the Spirit 0x's, God in three persons 0x's, trinity 0x's, Co-equal 0x's, co-eternal 0x's, consubstantial  0x's.

I am thinking he did a key word search for this list. There are a few names missing. But I can tell you I do not believe he believes Jesus is god. I did not watch the video but look at his about page here is what he says "godhead we believe in 1 god who is the father. 2 who is Jesus who is the son equal to god and the Holy Spirit which is the spirit of Christ and the spirit  God used interchangeably there for I acknowledge a duo godhead not a tryo trinity."