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Introduce Yourself / Re: New Member

« on: June 27, 2021, 05:40:22 AM »

Joshua Yes the preacher was talking about sin and it wasnt an audible voice but it was like a voice reveling my sin to me I remember not even hearing the preachers voice like half way through it was like a voice was speaking over him to me showing me that pretty much everything about my life was sin and my whole life was displayed to me. Its funny because the first week i went i started realizing this but i thought it was some sort of trick being played on me to get me to join a cult or something and immediately i thought someone knew me and told the preacher about me or something but know one really knew me that well and it was just strange to me that i was so deeply affected and i couldnt explain why. I had to go back and hear more and I think it was the third week i went back that i just fell on my face. About the last thing you said about false prophets being used to convict sinners. I agree. Im sure theres born again believers in any denomination even in catholicism usually far and few between but im sure theres some. All i know is i heard the law at that church building and whether the preachers saved or not i doubt but i hope he is and i hope some of the people there are too.

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Bible Discussion / Re: How to study the Bible?

« on: June 25, 2021, 06:22:37 AM »

One thing i can say when it comes to studying the bible is dont let things youve heard from a teacher get in the way of what is being said in scripture or in other words forget what you think you know and let scripture teach you. Commentaries and biblical teachings are a great tool but at the end of the day the holy spirit truly is what guides us to understand the bible and its best not to let any mans teachings get in the way of that. 1st john 2 27 says But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

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Wild Emails @ CLE / Re: I Sent a Letter to Donald Trump

« on: June 24, 2021, 05:48:16 AM »

I always wondered how great it would be if a world leader got saved. Imagine if someone like Hillary Clinton got saved

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Introduce Yourself / Re: New Member

« on: June 23, 2021, 06:14:21 PM »

Rowan Everything you said in your post i totally agree with. "Spiritual thrillers" and "Trash talk the devil" well said

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Evangelism / Re: People who are receptive to Repentance

« on: June 22, 2021, 07:31:33 PM »

Im not saying hes not saved i just dont really understand why he doesnt accept the actual meaning of repentance. Him being the first person to tell me about Godly sorrow and all.

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Evangelism / Re: People who are receptive to Repentance

« on: June 22, 2021, 06:12:56 PM »

Your correct but I was more referring to people that understand Godly sorrow and display that they had Godly sorrow when they got saved but take mans teaching over the correct teaching of repentance. I dont understand people like this. 

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Wild Emails @ CLE / Re: How "Conspiracy Ministries" Warp the Minds of Their Listeners

« on: June 22, 2021, 06:04:07 PM »

Rowan Your completely correct when one of my buddies that spends the most part of his day listening to conspiracies and flat earth says the word truth I know right away hes talking about investigating conspiracy theories and learning about flat earth then actually learning about the word of God. Its honestly pretty infuriating. 

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Wild Emails @ CLE / Re: Believing in a Flat Earth is the New Repentance

« on: June 22, 2021, 05:54:18 PM »

Dude your right on about the flat earth being a replacement for repentance. My buddy is part of this cult and it honestly blows me away. Ive told him you realize none of this matters at the end of the day because even back when the majority of people believed the earth was flat theyre still wasnt that many people that were saved. Its like talking to a wall though

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Introduce Yourself / Re: New Member

« on: June 21, 2021, 09:09:17 PM »

Nah i dont think your giving me a hard time. Your right on with video games competitive nature causing pride absolutely. I do have fun on the game most of the time but i wish i could just enjoy it all the time instead of getting mad over it.
        Regrading my first church i attended, I didnt grow up religious i started going there at 18 and thats where i first heard the law and got saved. Yes it was 100 percent a works based salvation belief system some members even believed in things like baptism is the second part of salvation. I even laughed at one of my buddies who went there when i asked him straight "do you believe if you dont keep the sabbath your going to hell?" he said yeah. It wasnt adventist but pretty close.
        Anyway When i first repented for my sin i wept bitterly like i never felt before but after i felt as though a weight had been lifted and i was on cloud nine for several days. I want to point out i knew absolutely nothing about the bible at the time besides im a sinner and Christ died for sins and that experience of repentance stayed in the back of my mind forever. Now after several weeks i went back to Temple Christ Messiah that was the name of the church building and i learned that i can lose my salvation this was new to me because i thought Im all set. I also learned i need to get baptized to finish my conversion and once again i thought to myself and even said to the members "i thought i was all set" anyway i brushed it off got baptized and believed the doctrine of on again off again salvation. At first i was very active in trying to lead others to Christ as i knew he was the only hope. a year or so went by and it dawned on me these people believed that if you dont confess you sin daily and you end up dying you could end up in hell. Once again i bought into this for a long time and fell into deep depression because i knew for sure i would never make it to heaven. My wife who grew up in TCM also believed this but ill let her tell her own story when she gets on here. Anyway eventually i started reading the bible for myself finally but with the mindset of a works based faith which can also be described as completely hopeless which is also the word i would describe myself during this time. I thought that TCM was the only place i could go as everywhere else was wrong as ive been trained to believe. Finally i snapped as there was no way i was gonna make it to heaven. I ran from God for years and i claimed to no longer believe in him. I called myself an atheist and tried to convince myself evolution was true so i could prove to myself i have nothing to be afraid of but it sounded like mumbo jumbo to me. I smoked heavy amounts a pot and did everything within my power to try to forget about God. I always remembered my repentance experience and some nights i would tell God "I know your still there but i dont know what to do im doomed no matter what so what does it matter?" I eventually got to the point where i just exploded and started lashing out against alot of people i knew that i came in contact with until i went about a week without eating and slept about an hour a day. It was kind of a blurr to me what happened during this time but lets just say it wasnt a fun experience. Anyway after i started returning to normal i kinda got hit like a ton of bricks with the reality of the situation. What i was doing was rebelling against God and i realized what was going on for the first time in a while.
          I returned to TCM but it was short lived because at this point i was coming to terms with the fact that this is a cult and there were actually other viewpoints on the bible besides what they believed. I looked into once saved always saved which is what the preacher there always railed against and i started watching andersons channel and the once saved always saved position made since to me and also got me thinking that perhaps there is hope. I started getting into theyre doctrine but i was more critical then when i was going to TCM. I read the bible all the way through for the first time and held the position for a while that all you gotta do is believe once saved always saved and youll be saved. The thing i still wrestled with was how come nobody ever mentions that grief and sorrow they felt when they first believed i thought it must not be the same for everyone but i just didnt understand how someone cant be grieved like i was when they realize what they are. I listened to Andersons story of how he was saved and it went like "When i was 5 my mother did the acceptance prayer with me" which im paraphrasing but thats essentially how it went also a thing that stood out was he said something like "When i first believed I didnt really have alot of sin because i was only 5 years old so im not judging others or anything but i havnt really done much wrong compared to others" thats not an exact quote by the way but it the point of it is there. A year of listening to "Its Not Steve its PASTOR!!!!!" and "Your a reprobate kill yourself" kinda stuff went by.
          By the way i should add wasnt saying i was right by finding him funny i just used to laugh at the shock value of what he was saying but i was wrong for actually not thinking that saying stuff like he says is not wrong. Anyway i started listening to other people in the new independent fundamental baptist church movement and particularly took a liking to Manly Perry as he was more humble but i soon realized no matter what they would never go against andersons doctrine even when they knew he was wrong because they look at him like a pope. I started seeing alot of flaws in theyre doctrine. One of the biggest bits they sell is the reprobate doctrine which in turn is whatever anderson believes is the mortal sins whether that be homosexuality pedophilia and things of that nature. He preaches romans one is solely about homosexuals and no one else and that chapter explains homosexuals are unsaveable  because he links the word reprobate back to Jeremiah 6 30 Reprobate silver shall men call them because the Lord hath rejected them. He explains the word reprobate means they unsaveable. Long story short i saw Chris Johnsons youtube videos exposing anderson and it just kinda confirmed everything i already knew about the guy but Chris had the scripture to back it up as everytime i read the bible at that point was with someone elses doctrine manipulating the way i read it but Chris just kinda put it plainly and the scripture itself clearly proves this guys not saved in fact you could say hes a reprobate as he likes to call people.
           After that i found the repentance audio and right away the entire bible made since to me and explained why i looked at the experience that took place when i first repented as such a prominent event in my life. anyway thought i would give more details as sometimes i dont really explain things well.

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General Discussion / Re: Non-compliance at Travel Checkpoints

« on: June 21, 2021, 04:38:43 PM »

Hey dont knock the Anderson approach until you try it sometimes a tase to the face is a good way to kickstart your day

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Evangelism / People who are receptive to Repentance

« on: June 21, 2021, 04:23:14 PM »

So theres a noticeable difference in people that are receptive to the doctrine of repentance. The churchgoers that arnt usually get mad or just stop talking to you but it usually makes since to the people that are receptive to it. When I first understood what repentance was I told alot of people about it and usually it doesnt make any since to them at all or they just straight up tell you it makes total since. However theyre are rare circumstances where people are so caught up in the respect of people that have telling them for decades that repentance means to turn that even though it makes since to them they still reject it. An example would be my father in law who was the first person to ever tell me theres a Godly sorrow when you get saved and i understood what he meant by that when he said that years ago not yet understanding thats what repentance is. Years later I told him that Godly sorrow is repentance and its how your able to be saved but then he starts quoting people and getting into the greek and going on about stuff.
       I dont understand these types of people. Thoughts?

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General Discussion / Re: The Three Little Pigs, revisited

« on: June 21, 2021, 03:31:51 PM »

I thought for sure the 2nd law was going to stop the wolf but i was wrong

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Bible Discussion / Re: Canaanite wedding

« on: June 21, 2021, 03:07:22 AM »

Good call on pointing out the flaws i shouldve looked into it more. I dont see how it falls apart without the pre trib rapture though or how free mason symbolism can be compared to this.

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Bible Discussion / Re: Canaanite wedding

« on: June 20, 2021, 11:27:11 PM »

Thats a posibility i asked my father in law where he learned it from he said hes gonna get me a dvd so im hoping that has evidence because that symbolism sounded pretty cool.

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Bible Discussion / Re: Canaanite wedding

« on: June 20, 2021, 10:12:43 PM »

Yeah Jeanne I only linked it because it was talking about the canaanite wedding thing. I myself dont believe in the pre trib rapture. The pre trib rapture had nothing to do with the reason i linked it. I just did because i saw a bunch of books the author pulled this idea from and thought that could be useful. I was trying to find jewish websites explaining it but i couldnt find any.

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Bible Discussion / Re: Analysis of Brian Moonan's Repentance Teaaching

« on: June 20, 2021, 10:09:59 PM »

Question for you Chris how did you find out repentance meant grief and Godly sorrow for sin?

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Bible Discussion / Re: Canaanite wedding

« on: June 20, 2021, 09:48:56 PM »

A wedding is just that   ....  a wedding  ...  and after that a couple are "wed"  ....  they are husband and wife.  I doubt Jesus would be interested in being at an event where the bride to be can mess the groom around by some means of extending the period of the betrothal.  And what about all the guests and the food they might have brought along and that they had gone to the trouble of having wedding clothes suitable to attend a wedding.

Anvil I didnt mean the bride drinks the wine on the wedding day itself. Im not sure what your talking about in the last half of your reply. Ilooked up leviticus 23 and i didnt see how it relates with what im talking about.

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Bible Discussion / Re: Canaanite wedding

« on: June 20, 2021, 09:24:10 PM »

Jeanne thats a really good question I heard it from my father in law a while ago. Sorry if any of its incorrect i was typing it by memory. The reason its a good question is  I only looked a little online about it. I found a couple articles online and theres books written about it but i didnt dive any deeper than that. I should look into things more before i post it.
I believed what he said because my mind went straight to the parable of the 10 virgins. I understand the meaning of that parable but the actual events that happen in the parable never made since to me like the virgins waiting in the bridechamber for the groom to call them doesnt actually make since to me so when he told me that it made since. Anyway heres a link i found online about it. http://www.biblestudymanuals.net/jewish_marriage_customs.htm

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General Discussion / Re: Video Games: Causing Witchcraft to Prosper

« on: June 20, 2021, 04:24:42 PM »

Yeah Rowan i wouldnt say the buying things is a problem but i definitely get way to into it and i look at the clock 12 hours have passed that kinda thing. I mean thats an extreme example but there have been days like that. To be honest i dont wanna give it up but i have to limit myself.

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Bible Discussion / Re: Sanctification

« on: June 20, 2021, 04:13:42 PM »

Joshua I can relate to that Ive tried speaking to truth to my unsaved friends they dont wanna hear so i just avoid the conversation but i know its not the right thing to do.