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Wild Emails @ CLE / Re: What People Say Comes From Their Heart

« on: July 24, 2021, 01:23:17 PM »

Wow. He's calling you thin skinned but he starts his reply off by telling you to go the Hell AND ends it by hoping you'll end up on Satan's chain gang. Also, how in the world are you too judgemental when he calling preachers scripture twisting and lucre hungry as well as calling you arrogant? The lack of awareness is simply incredible. It's not surprising however, you can see the great deal of pride in the guys heart.

James 4:6 KJV
But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble

Hopefully he humbles himself in the future and judges himself properly soon. Because he is more or less going to be on the receiving end of that "I told you so"

Proverbs 16:18 KJV
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

Proverbs 28:18 KJV
Whoso walketh uprightly shall be saved: but he that is perverse in his ways shall fall at once.

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Wild Emails @ CLE / Re: I Sent a Letter to Donald Trump

« on: March 30, 2021, 11:52:53 AM »

Thank you Chris for sharing your letter. I enjoyed reading it mainly due to how genuine the letter is and the use of scripture that shows importance of repentance. I pray that Donald Trump get the chance and actually reads your letter as well and repents in Jesus name. I can also only imagine the number of emails he's receiving.

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Law/Legal / Re: GA Democratic Senator Runs Over His Ex-Wife's Foot

« on: January 04, 2021, 12:12:14 AM »

I know this is a late post from me but while I was in Georgia, one of the ads against Warnock mentioned this very incident of him running over his ex wife's foot. Not that I didn't believe the ad but I wasn't expecting to see actual footage from the police body cam floating around in the web.

It honestly makes me sick listening to him talk. He tries to wash over this issue with the police like he's done nothing wrong and that she's just making trouble for him for no reason. No accountability for his actions or care and unfortunately I know people who will be dead set on voting for him regardless. It's not surprising though that his ex wife says he is good at acting. Him being a pastor of a church (likely a mega church and if not one that is very large) means he has plenty of experience playing the public relationship game.

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Wild Emails @ CLE / Re: A Black Man's Racist Feelings

« on: March 05, 2020, 02:49:15 PM »

Hey I know I havent post in eons and this post is a over week old but I would like to go through Damon letter to Chris as well just to provide some insight from myself.
(This took me an extremely long time to get it to where it is and I'm sure theres still some mistakes. I hope what I'm saying is clear enough for everyone to understand)

Hello and praised the Lord I was listening to your study on Martin Luther King Jr, I must say I agree on 90% of your articles but I was a little disappointed by your comments about black people and the affects of slavery that we should just get over it I thought it was a little insensitive and very hurtful!

I've gone back and read the Martian Luther King article to find where exactly Damon is talking about and I honestly dont know what he is referring to. I even type in the search bar, "get over it" and "slavery" to see if Chris said anything along those lines and I found nothing. So I will say this: upon a first reading i felt a similar way. That feeling did not last long after gaining a full grasp of the point Chris was trying to get across in a particular section.

( https://http://www.creationliberty.com/articles/wolf-mlkj.php  you'll find this area I'm quoting in the  "What Does Communism Have To Do With Civil Rights Movements")

Certainly, it is wrong to deny someone employment based on the color of their skin, but now let's look at this from a government and Bill of Rights perspective. The question here is about rights, who has them, and who lost them. The question is this: "Did the black man lose his rights because he was denied a job based on the color of his skin?"

Most Americans will want to instictively say "Yes," but then I would ask, "What specific rights did he lose?" Did the black man lose his right to have a job? No. Did he lose his right to earn a wage? No. Did he lose his right to speak out about it? No. The black man never lost one of his rights in the process, but fighting against that type of racism is referred to as a battle for "civil rights," which means something is very wrong here.

Another right the black man has is to protest not being hired based on the color of his skin, but now we have to ask, what is the end result of that protest? Does the business owner change his mind after he sees the protest? No. So what good does the protesting do? Protests almost never sway someone's opinion, and so the only thing protesting does is cause enough trouble that will result in government intervention (we will cover more on that later), and that is the very heart of the problem.

Once the government gets involved, the only thing they can do is FORCE the business owner, through laws and regulations with consequences (e.g. fines, jail time, etc), to hire the black man. Now we ask another question: "Did the business owner lose his rights?" Yes. The business owner lost his right to decide who he can hire and who he can serve, and now we have a system of government that takes complete control over a man's investments (time and money) in the business he built with his own hands, which is exactly the goal of the Communist Party.

As I said, reading this at first was a bit difficult for me. A black man being denied a job because of his skin color is definitely racist. However to read that a racist can deny him a job due to being racist and be sanctioned by law too is just something that didn't sit well with me. Every now and then the law does protect wicked people during their wrong doings. Yet I needed to realize that once you give a governmental entity the power to take away basic rights of the people such as private property ownership, you have a much bigger problem than just some wicked people being racist. You now have an entity that can take almost whatever it sees fit at any time. My point in talking about this is that yes the after effects of slavery and segregation are hurtful. However we have to keep in mind what was the overall agenda the civil rights movement was used for. As Chris pointed out is to give the government the power to take control of private property from people whenever they feel like it. That's a far more extreme of losing rights than someone not getting a job due to their skin color.

(Continuing on with the letter)

Am I angry at you no not at all I just would like to point out that being a white pastor and down playing the effects of slavery might cause some to be Slavery has affected the black race and white privileged and white supremacy has played and is playing a major role in our society and culture.

I do not have a complete understanding of what he is saying here because what he typed is mainly a big sentence fragment. What I think he is basically telling Chris is: "You shouldnt down play the effects of slavery because you're a white man". Again I read over the article again and I don't recall seeing Chris down playing the effects of slavery. More importantly, what does Chris skin color have to do with anything? The bible tells us that

Acts 17:26 KJV
And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

So what's the problem with Chris giving any insight? Well the thing is, in the minds of many black people, you are automatically unqualified to criticize any kind of struggle that African Americans have endured while being in America because everyone else is more privileged. That especially goes for anyone who is white. So if you didn't get what i said; in a nutshell you're not allowed to critic the civil rights movement or MLK etc questioning black history in general because you're too privileged if you're not black. You dont understand the struggle. That's the over all mindset. And if you are black and you question those things then you're a trader/deserter or something along those lines.

Do we hold on to this with malice and anger no not if we are true born again believers in Christ I do not hate my white brothers and sisters but I can recognize the system isn't fair and we as black people must fight and survive in this unjust system that's called America! We have God given rights yes we do! also at the same time life in America isn't fair not even a little bit. Please don't take this as whining or kicking it's just the truth as a black person in this Country!

Well I'll openly say as a black man that lives in America my life has been relatively easy. I've been stopped a total of 3 times by the police. Twice for speeding, once for a misunderstanding. I've never been sent to prison or wrongfully convicted. I've always had food to eat and a place to stay. Plus I technically work for the government myself. My point is I have yet to truly experience this unfair system that holds black Americans down. My overall family (both mother and father side) have been very successful and that's because despite this unfair system they worked very hard to achieve the life they live. My point in saying this is that my family as black americans are very successful and its been because they have worked hard despite the "unfair" system. Mind you my mother father aunts and uncles were born in the 1950s-60s. Not one of them as I can recall gave excuses that times were too rough with racism for them to be successful. They just worked hard for what they have today. If there is anything holding the majority of black Americans from progressing, I'd say its laziness and an unwillingness to admit to the reality of what's happening. That reality is that black American people are doing more harm to the black community than white Americans or the unfair American system. Many black Americans especially on the young generation side steal, kill, lie, and fornicate to people they arent married to. Thus creating single parent homes. they do all this to other fellow black american people while complaining about the system being unfair to them. There is very little responsibility being taken when it comes to black on black crimes or black American incarcerations rates being higher statistically than any other nationality in America. Instead the blame goes to police brutality and racism. Yes I'm well aware that there are those who have been wrongfully arrested by corrupt officers and even shot and killed at the hands of a scared rookie police officer. I don't excuse those individuals as they are also a big part of the problem as well. However neither do I excuse the many black Americans who live violent sinful lives making life difficult for themselves and others.

 

I email you in love my brother and even if we don't agree I pray that we meet in those pearly Gates one day


From Damon your brother Keep fighting the good faith

https://www.cpt.org/files/Undoing%20Racism%20-%20Understanding%20White%20Privilege%20-%20Kendall.pdf

I took some time to read the article he posted and in a nutshell it's a woman describing where white privilege comes from and how it is bestowed upon them at birth, and most of it is nonsense if you take the time to read it. It could honestly be a thursday discussion or thread discussion on it's own.

(I had more typed but I think it was to much and when I finally posted this it ended up being cut short at the tail end)

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General Discussion / Re: Civil Rights fanboys/girls

« on: September 26, 2018, 03:15:33 PM »

I've been down the road of this subject multiple times and what I've usually found is it comes down to ignorance of this subject in general, but most importantly a failure to admit to the truth that is being presented. In other words the people that you are debating with 9/10 will not admit to whatever you tell them even if it is the truth.

Growing up I was taught very heavily about all the "good things" MLK and the civil rights movement has done. Now that I today question the integrity of MLK and CRM, the responses I have gotten are no less than even my very own family turning their backs in someways and shaking their head saying to themselves "where did we go wrong". All because i dare to even question the sacred cow of the civil rights movement and its leaders. Didnt matter how sound or rational my arguments or responses were. You dont question the CRMs and their leaders ever.

The point I'm trying to get at is there is almost nothing you can say because this is a heart issue not a head issue. You're practically wasting you time trying to get through to whoever you're talking to about this and it's not worth looking for trouble about this subject as you will ultimately get no where (at least from my experience thus far I've gotten no where). If you do end up getting into a discussion about it, then just present the truth as you know it but please don't make the mistake of being arrogant enough that you're just simply going to change someone on this subject because your passionate. Trust me, it's a never ending battle when it comes to the integrity of MLK and the CRMs.

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General Discussion / Re: Ron wyatt gods treasure seeker or fraud

« on: July 23, 2018, 11:27:30 PM »

I've read your post 3 times now billy, and it doesn't make any sense nor can i follow what your saying.

For example you said:

Or when he claimed he found the Grave of Noah and his wife and they were taller than 12 feet tall. But yet God wanted him to use a standard cubit of a 6 foot man

Ok, where are you getting that from and who are you applying that too? Moses or Ron Wyatt. Either one you pick is up to you but the problem is it would not make sense either way.

You also said:

He twist scripture so it will fit his findings

Now you could be right, but you have no examples for us to follow or respond to.

No offense, but you've kind of made a lazy post expecting a clear answer.

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General Discussion / Re: Pastor fails miserably in court interview

« on: July 10, 2018, 10:40:39 PM »

It's hilarious watching him lie and try to justify his spending records to the judge. It would just be so much easier to come out and admit he spends his donations on whatever he wants.

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Introduce Yourself / Hey, I'm Dedrick Lewis

« on: June 30, 2018, 03:39:45 PM »

Hey how's it going. Just as the title says I'm Dedrick Lewis. I am 28 years old and I've been a member of the CLE family for around 5 years, and have been born again a little over 6 years now. I am currently serving in the U.S Army station at Ft Gordon Georgia next to my home city Augusta. Due to my job I haven't spent any time in the forums for while and I'm just now remaking my account after everything was lost.

I enjoy reading the bible on my own time and attending CLE teachings on sunday. My hobbies include strategy games and solving puzzles although I'm no good at either.

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General Discussion / Re: FLAT EARTH EVIDENCE

« on: June 30, 2018, 12:07:34 PM »

Hey Sigfredo, I'm Dedrick Lewis and just as Chris said I've been a long time member of the church. However due to me being in the military a lot of my time goes to my job. So I haven't been on the forums or active for an extremely long time.

It's taken me some time to type this response because I had trouble thinking of what to actually say and how thorough I wanted my answer to be. So I've decided to actually take the time to analyze the video you provided as thoroughly as I can. So that you can get an idea of why you really didn't provide evidence for the flat earth when really you're just giving into nonsense.

The video starts out with a guy(Vincent) posing the question
"Is there evidence in the bible that we do live in a solar system and that the sun is in the center of the universe and that the earth is the third place from the sun?". He goes on to answer his own question saying "according to the early writers it did not". I find that weird because he could of just said "there is no scriptural evidence for it"
as you dont need to mention the early writers since Gods word stands forever.

Isaiah 40:8 KJV
The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.

So technically he is right but it doesn't matter that he is right and you'll see why as we continue.

After answering his own question he mentions scripture a grand total of 2 times. At around 40 seconds in, he says that we are taught that the sun is the center of the universe in school,  but in scripture(that he does not reference to so I can't find what scripture hes specifically talking about) teaches that the earth is the center of the universe. First off, i will admit I didn't search very hard but where in the bible does it say the earth is the center of the universe? As far as I know there is no where in scripture that says anything like that. If I am wrong find it and link it to me so I may read it for myself to see the context of what's said in scripture.  The second reference he makes to scripture which came right after the first is that the Earth was created before the sun and then he asked the question "why would God create the earth and then make the earth spin around the sun when the earth came first?"  Ok yes it's true the earth was created before the sun. you can find that in the first chapter of Genesis if you want to read it for yourself. The question that needs to be asked is why does that matter and what does it prove. In Genesis chapter 1, God created the water before the land and made the grass, fruit and trees before He made the sun.  It also says that God created the birds out of the water and the land animals out of the land. The point im making is God can create what He wants, where ever He wants and however He wants and it will work the way He wants it to because HE'S GOD. So his two mentions of scripture basically provides nothing of any importance. What he does for the next 4 minutes after that is CAST DOUBT on the heliocentric model and that's a very common thing that flat earthers do. Since they cant provide evidence to prove their belief of flat earth (or geocentrism in this case) they do what ever they can and say what ever they can to just simply cast doubt on an opposing idea contrary to theirs. All he talks about for the rest of the video is how Nicolaus Copernicus took his idea of the heliocentric model from the Egyptians sun God called Ra. Talking about how pagan  the Egyptians were and how they copied their God of Ra from the God of the bible, and honestly that has nothing to do with the proving the sun is 93million miles away. At the end of the video he  asks the question "so who are you going to place your trust in? God or man?".  Basically what he is implying is that if you side with heliocentrism, you support the wicked Sun God RA created by man and if you support geocentrism you support God even though he has provided no evidence from scripture to supports the notion that a geocentric idea is of God in the first place.
It's a poor deceptive way of falsely leading people to believing that geocentrism is biblical and heliocentrism is not when the truth is neither of them are supported in scripture because the bible is silent on the matter.

To answer the actual video that's going on while the guy is talking; all that happens is 2 people strap a camera to a weather balloon and send it floating so you can get a sky high view of the earth. Now granted, I don't know if the sun is 93 million miles away or not as I cant travel to the sun and back. However nothing in the video gives evidence that the sun is not 93 million miles away other than the fact his video title says "Finally! Proof that the sun is not 93 million miles away". (something done very commonly of flat earth videos) Now maybe you're  thinking "well what about the earth itself looking like its flat as the balloon gets higher and higher". Well first off the point of his video is about the distance of the sun and not the shape of the earth. Second if you still want to claim the video shows the earth as flat then theres a couple things you need to understand. The first and foremost  is accounting for how large the earth is in comparison to yourself. The Earth is 24,901 miles in circumference at the equator and 24,812 miles from pole to pole. So I use to live in Hawaii about 2 years ago and on my first flight from Atlanta Georgia, to the city of Honolulu my flight was close to 9 hours long with no stops traveling at around 550 MPH (I dont remember exactly how fast the plane was traveling as it was years ago). Honolulu is around 4,490 miles away from Atlanta Ga. Not even half the circumference of the earth. My point is the earth is HUGE. I doubt the balloon in that video got much higher than 7 to 10 miles up if that and if you compare that to the size of the earth that's nothing.
So seeing curvature from that altitude may not be so clear cut just simply due to the fact of how high you need to be. The second thing is theres curvature in this video. It's ever so slight but if you pay attention carefully as the camera stops moving around as it hits its peak height shown in the video, you'll notice the horizon does have a slight bend to it. To to be honest its actually more proof the earth is a globe than being flat.

So lets do an overview.

 the guy speaking (Vincent):
*doesn't provide scriptural evidence to prove his position of geocentrism
*Doesn't provide any scientific evidence for his position

*He explains nothing else other than casting useless doubt and then claims his position is of God when he has no scriptural evidence to back up his claim.

*his video shows no evidence of a sun that is not 93 million miles away other than his video title stating that. (Again I dont know if it is or isn't but he claimed to have proof that it wasn't 93 million miles away so the burdens on him) and even if the sun wasn't, would that prove the shape of the earth anyway? Obviously not

*there is no evidence in the video providing any reason to believe in a flat earth in general as you'd like to believe.


Yes this comment is a lot longer than expected because I wanted to be thorough and give as best an answer as I possibly could to your video. The reason I analyzed this video  is so that you could get a clear view of what kind of garbage you linked (no offense) proclaiming it as evidence, and to be honest each and every video about the flat earth is about just as bad as the one you linked. When watching these videos you need to look for a couple key things. These videos are usually designed to cast doubt and pray on peoples ignorance. flat earthers usually never have any evidence proving their belief. They just simply question an opposing idea hoping their viewers and listeners are too ignorant to answer those questions (and in many cases they are) . Because many people take for granted the knowledge of what proves the earth is a globe it's easy to lead them down a road of doubt and ultimately into a false belief.



 Videos done by flat earthers (just like the one you link) are not be trusted just simply because they stamp the word "truth" on them. You need to understand that if you are curious about something, then research it to the fullest before hauling off and believing it.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 KJV
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.


If you have questions concerning the flat earth then ask them (1 at a time) and I'm positive I can point you in the right direction. However please take my advice on this. Stay away from getting involved with flat earth beliefs. The whole thing is spearheaded by people who are pagans and occultist, others who falsely proclaiming themselves as Christian, liars for filthy lucre(money gained in a dishonest way) and its followers are filled with pagans, and false converts who are willfully ignorant to anything opposing the flat earth since their faith is in the shape of the earth and not in Jesus Christ.