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General Discussion / Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,

« on: December 17, 2023, 04:54:03 PM »

Yeah, he's done this about once every year or two. It's a copy and pasted message. I just ban him when I see it.

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Bible Discussion / Re: KJV Bible for kids

« on: March 19, 2023, 10:19:33 AM »

  Ok then. You don't delete your account to leave or anything like that. All you have to do is depart and go your separate way. Take care.

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Bible Discussion / Re: KJV Bible for kids

« on: March 18, 2023, 10:00:42 PM »

Id like opinions whether a KJV bible for kids is necessary, appropriate, and safe. Im looking to get one for my grandkids, but something is causing me to have reservations about it. I suppose it’s knowing how most everything today is being deceptively altered. That, and the fact that I’ll be ordering it without having the opportunity to review it first hand. Although, id certainly review it before giving it to them. Has anyone had experience with these?

Anything that’s been deceptively altered. It’d no longer be a King James Bible of course, but that wouldn’t stop someone from calling it that to make a sale.  I approach everything with caution and discernment in our age of deception.

I'm a little confused as to what you are asking specifically. Are you looking for a 'kids version' of a King James Bible or are you looking for an "unaltered," regular King James Bible?

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Hello there

« on: January 22, 2023, 07:48:25 PM »

Welcome to the forum Morgan. For some reason, I've always enjoyed testimonies of salvation from people who have come out of witchcraft. I think it's because people like you can more easily see the witchcraft practices that are adopted in today's "christianity." I'm curious to see some of the discussion you'd bring on some of those topics having had so much experience in that. Even though those things are understandably abhorrent to you now, having been through it you're more likely to spot certain things that others might not see right away. Based on what you've told us, it seems it's already helped you to steer away from a lot of those church buildings and avoid becoming prey to their false doctrines. I'm glad that's the case seeing you've tried so many different places and have seen the leaven before getting deceived into following their doctrines.

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Scott's Introduction

« on: December 11, 2022, 08:47:38 PM »

He is banned now.

I wanted to refrain from saying anything until he gave his last post so that he wouldn't use my reply as an excuse to get out of answering the specific points Chris made. One thing I noticed the other day was his signature that's below each of his posts. It reads:

It's usually futile to try to discuss facts and critical analysis with someone that is enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance

If I remember correctly, this was not how his signature read prior to people challenging his doctrine. I believe he changed his signature to what it reads now in response to that challenge which shows the pride he really has in his heart. It's obvious to me that his signature is directed towards Chris.

This is going to take some time.  I will begin today, but it may take me a week or so to respond to every point of of the 10,000 words that have been set against me.  I do not have access to a computer at the moment,  so texting on a smartphone and using this forum trying to use the quotations feature is not easy unless I just quote every word altogether

Some in the church were discussing a bit about how he is using the excuse of texting on a smartphone as a way to complain about having to explain himself, yet he didn't have a problem quoting large portions of Scripture or writing his past replies. It's conveniently a problem when he has to give an answer for himself. I particularly noticed that he exaggerates that he has to "respond to every point of the 10,000 words" that were pointed out to him. He make this exaggeration in order to make it look like we were being completely unreasonable to simply ask him to explain what he was talking about. I think this is because he knew he couldn't give a good explanation and he was setting up a time frame of a week to answer because he needed the time to think about how he was going to worm his way out of the situation he got himself into. It was all deception, yet he said:

I will pray on this matter and provide all things honestly in the sight of God and man.

This is just another lie that he told because he just ended up leaving in the end.

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Scott's Introduction

« on: December 09, 2022, 09:12:16 AM »

I think it would be best for Christopher to respond to my last reply addressing him before proceeding.  This became a very tangled mess that began with misunderstandings and assumptions that are not correct.

What you’re really doing is accusing everyone else involved of wrongdoing and making them admit to something they are not guilty of so that you don’t have to explain yourself (you’re trying to force them to do it for you). In order to honestly explain yourself, then you need to explain yourself. That’s not difficult to understand. If you think there has been a  misunderstanding, then how does it logically make sense for the ones that misunderstood to explain it when you claim to know the answer? What you’re doing doesn’t make sense except with the understanding that you’re doing all this in dishonesty.

I did not say that "I will address every point."  I said "I hope to" and am able to.

Now you’re just playing word games. You claim there is an abundance of misunderstanding. Simple logic and honesty shows that you need to be the one to explain the misunderstanding since you are the one that claims to understand it. If you’re not going to do that, there is no point in continuing. You’re refusal to give an answer is being contentious, and we don’t want that contention here. It’s pretentious and hypocritical of you to claim that you don’t want strife while also refusing to simply make your points.

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Scott's Introduction

« on: December 09, 2022, 08:37:48 AM »

I thought you said you would address the points made to you and “provide all things honestly before God and man.” Now you’re asking someone else to address you about what they said. That’s not how we can proceed in this. You have to explain where you think the misunderstandings are, if any.

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Chris' introduction

« on: November 27, 2022, 08:30:20 PM »

Too many teach that it's enough to believe, but what does belief matter if you don't understand the gravity of sin, the breaking of God's laws and what judgement awaits the lost...and what Jesus Christ actually went through to save us.

Yeah. They like to focus on belief and they'll claim they believe Christ died for their sins but it's as if they don't want to believe that their sins are worthy of death in hell. They skip that part about the gravity of their sin and they make light of it. The difference between them and the true, born again Christians is the repentance. The result of what they teach is that you get all of these false converts that treat Jesus as if He is a band-aid to a common problem rather than precious salvation.

When I was younger, there were a few times that my dad (who is a false convert) told me that all have sinned and that Christ died for our sins, and that's definitely true, but it was never taught to me with that gravity of sin. He never told me I was going to hell for my sins and he talked of sin as if it were the common cold rather than something I'd have to give account to at judgement. It's not that I'm blaming my dad for me not getting saved when I was younger, but it's just an example of how they lack that gravity of sin. It wasn't until I understood how wretched I am that I came to repentance as it seems you have too.

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General Discussion / Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,

« on: September 05, 2022, 09:49:53 AM »

So he's told he needs to introduce himself as per the forum rules in the link and his response is for us to start the conversation? That's just proof that he never wanted to have a legitimate discussion.

He's banned now.

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Kevin (Anvilhauler's) Testimony

« on: April 24, 2022, 11:03:03 PM »

We were discussing this thread this morning before the teaching and a little after. I personally thought you answered the questions just fine, and now even more so with this latest response. One of the things I mentioned is that we can sometimes get too caught up with finding out the specific moment that someone got saved when, in the end, it doesn't matter so much about "when." What's important is the repentance and faith we see now. Repentance and faith don't have to happen exactly at the same time because both of these things continue on after the first instances. We shouldn't stop repenting after we've done it once just as we shouldn't reject faith after we first believed. As you explained when you responded to Rowan how that you prayed to God in the evenings asking for His guidance, I could see the humility that likely began when you first felt ashamed for lying that day in the workshop. Even though you didn't fully understand the gospel at that point, you later understood it as I'm sure you do now.

So, if I may re-word my question using more Biblical language, I wonder if you’d like to share when you called upon the name of the Lord Jesus Himself?

Another thing I mentioned was about this. Calling upon the name of the Lord is a natural thing people do at, and after, salvation. But it's not the prayer that saves. It's the faith. So it's not required for someone to do right as they become born again. Not only this, but calling upon the name of the Lord is something we continue doing as Christians. We don't just stop after the first time, so when Paul taught about this in his epistle to the Romans he wasn't saying this happens specifically as someone is converted. This is a general thing that is done by Christians. We aught to be calling on the Lord in prayer for His mercy and forgiveness even now and it's the one's who have that repentance and faith to do this that shall be saved as Paul taught. So the first time someone begins calling upon the Lord is not necessarily the point someone is born again.

Hopefully Kevin's last response will help put everyone at ease about this discussion. It's not wrong to question things, but I do hope it's clarified by now.

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Introduce Yourself / Re: A tad about Don

« on: April 24, 2022, 10:24:53 PM »

For someone so "mature," it didn't seem he could handle a simple question. It's fixed now. I banned him.

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General Discussion / Re: Exposing a Woman Named 'Madonna'

« on: December 23, 2021, 09:01:15 PM »

What Madonna said: "none of these verse is directed to anyone"
My take: She IS directing the verses at someone (probably Chris, but maybe others she has a beef with), but doesn't want to admit that, because she's playing some bizarre mind game. She's trying to give herself an "out" with plausible deniability. What Madonna is really doing in this conversation is WEAPONISING the Scriptures. Rather than using them to edify or exhort, what she's actually doing is using them as a device to make a point, or to score points, or something along those lines.

That's exactly what she did. She had an agenda but she didn't want to be honest about what she was doing.

With it being so long ago now, I can't remember all the exact details but I'll explain the best I can from my memory. After the Skype conversation Jeanne posted above, one of the men who left the church started a call on Skype. His reason for it was to try to stop the contention on the chat, get everyone together who was involved and for all of us pray about it. I told them that I wasn't going to stop them from praying but that I wouldn't join in prayer with them without getting to the bottom of the matter and settling it first. I can't remember what all I said initially. I think I just re-explained what I had said on the chat.

Madonna then went on a 10 minute rant, yelling all sorts of accusations towards several people. I tried to interrupt her to explain something because she was going on so long about several different things, but she would not let me say a word. When I tried to say anything, she would just yell over me and continue her rant. There were so many accusations and complaints at such a rapid pace that I just simply cannot remember them all. I do remember her actually admitting that she was posting those verses to rebuke Chris before she would leave the church. I don't know if she even realized she said it because of how viciously angry she was.

When she finally finished, I tried to point out that she had lied because on the chat she stated "none of these verse is directed to anyone," and claimed she was "exhorting the church," but on the Skype call she admitted that they were directed to Chris as rebuke. She quickly left before I could say hardly anything to her, so I could only explain this to the people that were left (some of whom also later left the church).

The manner in which Madonna left is very different than what she had intended for it to appear. She left in a raging fit of lies, false accusations, and railing and didn't want to reason anything out with us.

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Introduce Yourself / Re: New Member

« on: December 14, 2021, 07:02:42 PM »

Hey Virginia. What made you come out of organized religion back then? And can you tell us more about how you got saved?

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Introduce Yourself / MOVED: Excuses for alcohol

« on: November 25, 2021, 01:11:30 PM »

This topic has been moved to General Discussion.

http://www.creationliberty.com/forum/index.php?topic=1490.0

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Introduction

« on: November 25, 2021, 01:05:10 PM »

Sorry from me too because I never did get back with you.

Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. - Luke 13:24

What would you say that it means to "strive to enter in at the strait gate?"

Mr. Timothy, what I meant by that is living a sanctified life and not like living of the world. Sorry for not clarifying that earlier like I should have. Thank you

The reason I had asked the question was because I wanted to better understand what you say the gospel is. I wasn't sure, but after reading more of what you said and understanding a little more about you I'm more convinced that you're truly born again. There's a lot of people that will say that salvation is not of works but you can tell after talking with them that they mix in works to the gospel often without even realizing it. You've probably run into that some while street preaching and talking with your family.

And he went through the cities and villages, teaching, and journeying toward Jerusalem. Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.
-Luke 13:22-30

Someone had asked Jesus if there would only be few that would be saved. Jesus had been rebuking people, especially the pharisees, because they thought that they were worthy of God's favor because they considered themselves "good people." But He told them they are no better than the Galilaeans who perished in pagan sacrifices. The people were the ones telling Jesus about the Galilaeans who perished in sacrifices and how they must have been reprobates because of God's judgment on them. But Jesus answered that they are no better than them and if they do not repent, they will end up in hell too.

There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things? I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
-Luke 13:1-3

Jesus continued to rebuke them for other things and it led to this person asking if only few would be saved. It probably started to seem to that guy after Jesus' rebuking that their were none that were good in God's eyes. Jesus' answer was to "Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able." This isn't to say that one must do any amount of good works to get to heaven. It's striving to gain understanding of the gospel of Jesus Christ of repentance and faith, to be the few that are humble and contrite before God because of their wickedness knowing that no work can make up for their sin and that Jesus Christ's sacrifice is the only payment for sin. It's not to strive to live a sanctified life in order to be saved because that would start to get into doing works for salvation depending on what you mean by living a sanctified life. Many that do not understand the gospel would probably come to the conclusion that it is by works because their understanding of a sanctified life is going to church, paying tithes and saying "Jesus" a lot (you've run into those kinds of people a lot, I'm sure). But those people will be the ones outside the master's door saying "We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets." They gave God praise when it was beneficial for them to appear righteous, but they never actually cared for the understanding of the gospel because they "went to church" and there's no way God would send them to the lake of fire.

I just wanted to explain that and why I had asked the question. Sorry again for not getting back with you sooner.

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Introduction

« on: November 19, 2021, 10:02:21 PM »

What do you mean when you say that you realized that you did not strive to enter the narrow gate? What exactly is your understanding of that concept and what have you done now to "strive in"? I hope those questions make sense--I am trying to understand what you are saying.

What I meant by that is I was going through the motions and relying on my " works" and believing at the time I could live like the world and still enter God's kingdom.

I don't really understand your answer because what you said doesn't describe what striving for something is. It was asked, "What do you mean by striving to enter the narrow gate" and your reply was "I did bad things." It didn't actually answer the question.

Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. - Luke 13:24

What would you say that it means to "strive to enter in at the strait gate?"

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Returning as guest

« on: August 11, 2021, 05:20:48 PM »

I don't understand. You used to have an account here as "Mr. Redflame" but I don't remember why that account is now listed as "Guest" which means it was deleted. I also don't know the context of your apology. I don't know what it is you did or said that warrants one. What were you angry at any of us for?

Also, if you want to re-introduce yourself, read the following link:

All New Members (READ THIS FIRST!)

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Introduce Yourself / Re: New Member- Returned from Banning

« on: July 17, 2021, 06:53:29 PM »

When I admitted I had a pride problem, that was me confessing that I did have a pride problem. I confessed that I did have a conceit problem. I'm not sure what makes that laughable, when we are asked to confess... Right?

James 5:16
Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

I just want to go really slow in my responses with you because I really honestly am trying to understand...

Is the confessing of faults only for bretheren? I hope you can see my intentions

And what you just said is another problem. You don't directly address what we are saying to you. We can't have a productive conversation if that is all you are going to do and nothing will ever get resolved.

I laughed because of the absurdity of how you repeatedly said that you are "conceited." When you do things like that, it's because you are trying to push a false appearance of humility and I could clearly see that. That is what I'm addressing and that is point you are ignoring. I never said that telling us your sin is wrong. What I said is the false appearance of humility is a lie. The very fact that you "confessed" to us is because you are desperately trying to convince us of something that is false and your "confession" becomes sin at that point.

I wouldn't mind it if you came to us in true repentance of your sin and that hasn't happened yet. But if you ever do repent, it should be to God first because He is the one you have to answer to at judgment.

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Introduce Yourself / Re: New Member- Returned from Banning

« on: July 17, 2021, 04:14:58 PM »

Wow, I finally read Chris' response to me. I didn't read it beforehand, because I have been weeping at work and it isn't appropriate.

It's clear you "Don't Care" anymore.

Well, let's make it clear why Chris doesn't care about what you are saying anymore, because I also do not care much about what you are saying either. Look at what I just quoted from you.

I didn't read it beforehand, because I have been weeping at work and it isn't appropriate.

For the past week since you have gotten back onto the forum, you have been pushing so hard to give us a certain impression of you that you have sorrow of your sins when all you are doing is putting on a show. That's not going to work with us and, more importantly, it's definitely not going to work with God on judgement day. We do care about your salvation still, but we don't care about the false appearances because that is just based on lies and we don't want fellowship with lies, nor are we going to help you continue to deceive yourself to believe that lie.

2 Corinthians 6:14-15 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

Remember when I had pointed out to you on the other thread that those that have repentance don't have to keep telling us that they have repented? You're doing the same thing now as you were then when you speak like this:

I have had an enormous overflowing amount of pride and conceit. Especially conceit. I had/have an abundance of conceit. I really cannot understate how conceited I have been and how much residual conceit still is in my heart. Even though much of my life has been changed (no smoking/drugs/alcohol, goodbye homosexuality, accept Jesus, watch my mouth, etc) Even though much of that has changed, I never ever addressed the conceit, ever. I never addressed it, so like mold that is scraped off a window seal, if it isn't killed, it will grow back again, and again, and again. I cannot have this conceit grow back, or else I will die. It will kill me. And then I will die a second death.  Not that any of you want to know, but my conceit is was 100% evil and I have been joyfully skipping toward hell, with a conceited identity. I was rolling in the satanic muck of the devil and very pleased with myself for doing so. I'm disgusting.

"Yep Lord, I'm all squared away, except don't look at this enormous growing black hole of conceit"

I feel quite hideous even asking Jesus for help, I sound hideous asking for help. I sound hideous to myself. I am grateful that Jesus is very strong and very good, and is strong enough to listen to my hideous pleas if he chooses to. It's ugly..

When I had first read this response of yours, I couldn't help but laugh at how absurd it was that you had to repeatedly say that you have conceit. Read what you said out loud to yourself and see what you think it sounds like. What you said in summary is, "I have a lot of pride and conceit, especially conceit, because I'm totally conceited because of all the conceit I have that is 100% evil because of how conceited it is. And I feel hideous and I sound hideous to ask for help and I sound hideous to myself because I'm so hideously hideous." That's ridiculous that you have to do that. The reason you are doing that is not because of humility. It's because you are putting out a false appearance of humility and trying to convince us of having repentance so that we would accept you. When we see a problem like that, we can't just ignore it and make you feel like you're one of us. That would be cruel of us to do to you.

What you are trying to do is make it sound as if we don't care about your well-being or your salvation. That malicious, deceitful tactic is coming from the pride of your heart once again. We can't keep doing this and you're putting us in a situation where we are probably going to ban you again. If we have to constantly point out your sin and nothing changes (and actually, it is getting worse), the best thing we can do is part ways. You need to stop putting on a show and make a choice to leave because we are not entertained.

Chris:
So why are you pushing so desperately to be accepted here? Why not just find somewhere else to go?


Because if I go back to Sheila Zilinsky or anyone else I am going to be in a group of Goats, learning leavened doctrine and going straight to hell. And I want to be here because If I am going to be saved, I will be fellowshipping in heaven with other saved people.

And all we can do, so long as you are here, is give you the law and the gospel and point out your sin until you come to repentance and put your faith in Jesus Christ instead of thinking that putting on a show and being with us is going to get you into heaven. If you don't want to go back to Zilinsky, then you need to trust that God will lead you to repentance instead of us. Like I said, all we can do is point out your sin and give you the gospel. There's nothing else we can do for you, and learning doctrine from us will not do you any good until God gives you repentance. You need to make a choice whether you stay and we have to remove you again because we have to rebuke you for pretty much every post you make, or you depart yourself.

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Bible Discussion / Re: What is the True biblical defintion of "Effeminate"?

« on: July 10, 2021, 01:46:54 PM »

I have also noticed that you put the blame on someone or something else rather than yourself, McKenna. I want to point out where I'm seeing it in your response here.

You are right to say, I was wrong. The bible is right, and I see here that it says the Lord was harmless. This is going to change how I think about that quote, and now I will be better at seeing corruption in what Jordan Peterson has to say. He is a professor I have listened to in the past. I have read that he believes in Jesus, and I wonder if he has any material he has shared; if it is leavened. I may be interested in testing what he says to the Word, especially if it is concerning anything biblical.

What you did is start out saying that you are wrong, but you quickly shift the focus onto Jordan Peterson. You did the same on your new introduction post about Sheila Zilinsky. I don't see any repentance in what you are saying when you do that because those with a repentant heart focus on their own sin they have committed rather than someone else's. What you end up doing is blaming them for teaching you the wrong things instead of blaming yourself for the sin that you do. The 'repentance' that you are showing us is the false one that you defined before as a "change of mind."

Someone with true repentance (godly sorrow of sin) would have been disgusted with themselves for having called Jesus Christ effeminate just like Job abhorred himself for the things he said.

Job 42:6 - Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.

It didn't seem like it bothered you at all that you said what you did. The only bother was that you believed the wrong thing prior to our correction.

We had a person a few months ago that we had to correct about his belief on repentance because he believed in a false definition of it. When we corrected him, he kept saying that he had repentance for his error, but all he was doing was changing what he was saying to us based on what we were telling him so that we would accept him. He never had repentance for what he did and he was only trying to convince us of it by just telling us that he did. I'm starting to see the same thing in you.

Okay, thank you for recommending these teachings. I do love learning these bible based teachings that you have available on your website. I was wrong, like I said. I have repented for this false teaching. I am going to change how I remember this quote.

Those who have had true repentance don't have to tell us that they have repented because they show that sorrow of what they've done in their writing. What you are doing is trying to convince us that you have repented simply by saying that you have when you really haven't.

The bible is the final authority in my life, and it clearly says that Christ was harmless.

Adding the part, "The bible is the final authority in my life" is unnecessary when you truly use the Bible as your final authority. But the reason you have to tell us that is because you actually don't use the Bible as your final authority. If you did, you wouldn't have used Jordan Peterson's quote as your final authority in this thread.

Hopefully anyone who reads my comments will not be deceived and will see that I was rebuked and that I have said I have repented of this false teaching.

That's the problem I'm trying to point out. You think that just because you said you repented that it is as good as evidence. Anyone can lie and say they have, but we look for the humility in what they say because that shows us whether they have or haven't.

I also now know that repent is grief and Godly sorrow of wrong doing.

Believing that is not the same as having it, and if you had it, you wouldn't have to keep telling us that you believe it.

I have had grief and Godly sorrow for promoting this quote and teaching this quote with scripture.

Again, the reason you keep having to tell us what you believe about repentance and that you have repented is because your words, so far, have not shown us the evidence. So the only way you can try to convince us is to just say that you have, but had you shown disgust in yourself for calling Jesus Christ effeminate none of us would have to question it.

I'm not saying all of this to be critical of everything you say, but because I care enough to tell you that there is a problem that we are seeing. We don't want you to just accept everything we say to you and "change your mind" about what you used to believe because that false philosophy of "changing your mind" and "turning from sin" to be saved that you now claim to reject is still there. Telling us that you agree with us on repentance does not mean that you have repentance, so I also hope you continue to pray that God would give that to you and that He would give you understanding of these things.