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General Category => Introduce Yourself => Topic started by: heathertaylor on September 14, 2020, 04:37:05 PM
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My name is Heather Taylor. I am 34 years old. I have been married to my husband Joshua Taylor for 14 years. We have 2 boys. Jacob who is getting ready to turn 13. Seth who is 10 years old. We homeschool our children with Rod and Staff curriculum.
My beliefs are that God The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit created the whole world and everything in it. I believe
That Jesus is God and God came down to the earth in the flesh Jesus The Word and The Holy Spirit is of them both.
I believe Jesus was 100 percent God and 100 percent man. I believe Jesus lived a perfect, sinless life. He patiently taught all of the Kingdom of Heaven and how to live. Jesus is the way the truth and the life. He was born of a virgin named Mary. He did many miracles in the sight of large crowds and miracles to sometimes in small crowds. He had 12 close followers The disciples who was learning right beside Him. I believe Jesus died for everyone and rose from the dead on the 3rd day. He is now at the right hand of The Father interceding on our behalf. So those that haven't come to repentance ( grief and godly sorrow) may finally come to the knowledge of their wretched condition as sinners and finally see their need for a savior from their sins and the eternal lake of fire.
When I was 13 years old I thought I was saved. My dad brought me to church and we went Sundays and Wednesday night's. After youth group I was looking for my dad to go home. He was in a prayer group circled and holding hands. I didn't care for the things of God at this time. But when I came up to my dad to let him know I was ready to go and when I touched his arm something very powerful and undeniable hit my body. I was overwhelmed with comfort and peace and it felt as though sweet warm honey was pouring through my veins. I do not know fully what this was but all at once wisdom was given. I thought that this was me becoming a Christian and announced to the church that I was saved. As I was walking this new walk I was never taught correctly as I now see so I wasn't aware that repentance was grief and Godly Sorrow. I thought it was to turn and my walk always seemed in vain bit couldn't understand why something always still seemed wrong inside me. I had moments throughout my life where the grief of my sin brought me to tears and brokenness but it was like I thought that I would be ok just committing the same sin was ok because I could just keep doing both lives even though I knew The Word said you can only have 1 master. I was hanging around sin and committing the same sins over and over and then going to church. I was reading God's word but always feeling completely empty. Throughout my walk since that day at 13 years old.. It has been a rollercoaster if emotions. I lived on my emotions. Up until 1 month ago I was listening to Chris Johnson's audio on Repentance and I honestly can not tell you how I came upon CLE. It just came to me and Glory to Jesus Christ. I listened intently to the message and when I realized the true meaning of repentance it was when I completely came undone right there on my couch when nobody was around. Broken and upset that I thought I was a Christian all these years. Bawling and hurt that I had been deceived for so long and thought my works was my salvation and realized just how truly lost I was. I never want to lose my broken heart for my sinful nature. I never want to lose Him. I am still trying to unlearn all the crap that has been taught to me. my husband and I have left the Church we attended for 14 years. We have made many changes to our home life. When our family attended Branch Assembly of God church I thought I could ride through on To heaven through appearing as a believer but really was just dead on the inside. Almost everyone thinks I am wrong and looks at me like I am too extreme. I am still working through my salvation with fear and trembling. I get very nervous when I tell people truth of God's word. My heart pounds and my tummy gets nervous and I wonder if I did all that I could to teach them. This CLE material is very helpful and I am relearning the scriptures the correct way. I didn't have the true perspective when I read them before as a false convert. I will never understand why Jesus loves me so much. But I truly am thankful that He loves me and is so patient with me.
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A person who has come to Jesus Christ through true repentance and faith... you do not have to "get them on fire for Jesus." You do not have to convince them to hear the truth. I'm thankful to the Lord Jesus Christ for showing you the truth of His Word, and now, you do not need all the gimmicks of new-age church buildings to keep you in line because you serve your master now. Those who have come to repentance understand this, but those who follow the new-age definitions of repentance just cannot understand, and they keep following after the lies and traditions of men, even among those who claim to expose the lies and traditions of men.
But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
-2Ti 3:13
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Yes. People who I looked up to (respected their person) are completely lost. Ever since I learned what true repentance was, the whole Bible just became alive and made more sense and the ways of the new age church just opened my eyes even more to the deception they teach and practice habitually and think they are justified. Not only did it open my eyes to the deception but I was having hindsight of past conversations with the church members and it's heartbreaking how deceived they are. I pray That Jesus Christ open their eyes to the TRUTH, God willing.
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Hi Heather,
It was very encouraging to read your testimony yesterday, especially on a migraine day. I had to read it a few times! Even after 14 years in the church building, you were able to make your way out of it. That gives me hope that there are others. Church goers are the hardest people to speak about the law and especially false converts, at least in my experience, so the way you are treated is not a surprise. For the Jews would not believe Jesus:
John 8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
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While we was at this church I did not rebuke anyone because I was blind as well. I thought if I was kind to people and respected their beliefs that I was paving my road of kindness to Heaven.Blind leading the blind. But my husband knew the Truth and tried to tell me that what they was teaching was false and I didn't listen and we continued to stay there because my husband knew he needed to rebuke the pastors and teachers and nobody would listen. Not even me. I was a horrible wife and mother and led my family wrong. And thought I was doing The LORDs work. My husband was very patient with me and I thought he was crazy and sided with the church sometimes but I began to see things differently toward the end of our time there. And once I seen how wretched I truly was and always will be... Grief and brokenness hit me like a ton of bricks. This is when My eyes were opened and the deception was IN MY FACE and I seen their hearts because of their words and actions didn't line up with the Scriptures.. I had seen my own deception and cried very hard and my home life is drastically changing for the better. The members of the church keep reaching out and wanting us to come back but we have had supper with a some and have plans to bring the true gospel to them. One family who we was close with invited us over for supper and we went and the LORD prompted me to speak up with my friend Amy and was bawling in front of her and confessing how lost I was and spoke what Jesus had shown me about the church and what was wrong with everything they practice and she just sat and listened. So if she accepts that would be awesome. She wasn't angry or anytjing but just listened quietly. Praying it takes in her heart .. I spoke of what repentance is (grief and godly sorrow for wrong doing/sin) He is showing me how to be his faithful servant in my every moment of everyday and yes I am doing more than I have before and because it's to please Him.. It is done more with a cheerful heart. All praise to my Savior Jesus Christ. A scripture just came to mind... "For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities (supreme power), nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our LORD." Romans 8:38-39
Another scripture that I believe completes it is Matthew 25:31-46
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
True repentance shall bring Remission of sins to True Salvation and nothing will separate you from His love.. Nothing. But as for the goats they will eternally be separated from His Love. Because they had not True repentance
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Welcome, Heather!
It is a blessing to hear your story and how you have come to repentance and faith in Jesus Christ. I seem to be in the opposite position as you, as I have tried sharing with my husband who does not understand the truth or does not WANT to understand the truth many times. Megan brought up a very good point about how difficult it is to speak with false converts on Biblical doctrine and how the Jews were the same way, not believing. All we can do is point them to the truth and pray that God will open their eyes. How wonderful that He brought you under His wing.
I look forward to hearing more from you!
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
- 2 Peter 3:9
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Laura,
As I read your comment a scripture kept popping in my mind. 1 Peter 3:1-2 which you may know already
Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives; While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear.
SUBJECTION, noun
1. The act of subduing; the act of vanquishing and bringing under the dominion of another.
CHASTE, adjective
1. Pure from all unlawful commerce of sexes. Applied to persons before marriage, it signifies pure from all sexual commerce, undefiled; applied to married persons, true to the marriage bed.
2. Free from obscenity.
3. In language, pure; genuine; uncorrupt; free from barbarous words and phrases, and from quaint, affected, extravagant expressions.
It is possible that your conduct and conversation can show your husband his need for a savior. When you are broken over your sinfulness and do not try to puff yourself up in pride and or nagging it may assist him to the truth of Repentance.
Word of the day
Longsuffering- adjective
Bearing injuries or provocation for a long time; patient; not easily provoked.
It's one thing to witness to those you may never see again (which is difficult as well because rejection stings)but its another thing to live with the one you witness to. Bless your husband in word and conduct. Keep your thoughts pure and always be sure that you keep a repentant heart and ask for forgiveness for your shortcomings and ask God where You can improve as a wife and woman of God and follow through and never give up even though it's hard.
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Heather, your testimony brought tears to my eyes. It's always so wonderful to hear of how God brings people to repentance and salvation! Your encouragement to Laura also highlighted to me where I fall short much of the time. I look forward to getting to know you and hearing more about you and your family. Does your husband listen to the CLE teachings as well?
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Hi Jeanne. It is good to find like minded believers of Jesus Christ. It can be very lonely. I thought my life since 13 was tough. Claiming to be a Christian but being lost and still trying to follow Gods word. I thought what I was doing was right. Even when I wasn't forgiven I was trying to teach Gods word and knew lots of things but it meant nothing to me or anyone ..even then certain folks wanted nothing to do with me and I was made fun of at jobs because even as someone who wasn't repentant I still thought all the holidays like Christmas and Easter were corrupt and that is never a popular opinion... Any knowledge that I had .. It was just me showing off... I am trying not to be this way now. I don't want to be prideful at all. I just want those who are lost and brainwashed to come to the Truth of GODs word.
My husband and i have known each other for a while. We both went to macks creek school. That is in the state of Missouri. It's a farm town of about 250 people. There are rivers all around us and it's a quiet place. We live on 2.5 acres with a small creek on it..and we live a simple life. We enjoy swimming at our favorite river spots. Ever since we left the church we have had our own bible studies and we both are musical people so we play songs that have lyrics that line up with scripture. Some "Christian" bands play songs we used to enjoy but they support paganism/witchcraft. I used to listen to Hillsong and bethel and elevation worship but my eyes had been opened to their wicked deeds and just couldn't listen anymore. So I have been filtering out all my music that doesn't Glorify God and His word. Which is difficult honestly. But hymnals seem to be the best so far but even hymnals are unbiblical sometimes.Anywho. I enjoy singing and playing guitar. So does my husband.
Some of the sins that I struggled with and still fight against are:
Anger
Lust
Pride
Laziness
Frivolous spending
Gossip
Cussing
Nagging
Some have left me completely and I pray they stay away but some that I fight hard against is Pride and Laziness. Now that my way of thinking is different because of the brokenness my heart has because of who I am.. I desire to please GOD. So to even think the way I did before sickens me but I am trying to build up my weak points with The Holy Spirits guidance. I have no idea if I'm making any sense. ??? When I am around people now.. It's like I just can't stand their way of thinking now. I am honestly struggling inside with knowing what to say to these folks. Like.. Since my conversion I have already had to rebuke my sister in law for the continuing practices of witchcraft (Christmas and Easter) in her life and when I told her of this wickedness and how a bad tree cannot bring forth good fruits..she said she wouldn't change because she thinks there is nothing wrong with it ..I then walked away. I wondered if I had handled it how Jesus would have.Then today She sent me a text saying .. "She didn't want our differences to ruin our relationship." I was pondering what I should say in response and simply said .. Our differences on this matter is what is seperating us. And also told her that I wasn't the same person she knew and also sent her the teaching audio on Repentance #1 to her. It hurts deep to say these things and question myself on this but I know it's true. And Jesus comes first God comes first. It's like Satan is trying to make me second guess what I know to be true. Sorry for long post
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Heather, you don't ever have to be sorry about long posts! So much of what you said and what areas you struggle in resonate with me, because those are the same things I have problems with, too. Your sister-in-law sounds like my mother. She still celebrates all the pagan holidays, too and listens to John MacArthur every day on the radio, along with several other leavened preachers. Her whole life pretty much revolves around 'church'. She's been a member of the same Presbyterian for 57 years now, so I don't think she's in any hurry to give that up.
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My question is what do you do if you're around her? Or do you hang around her? I just don't know what to do sometimes and what fellowship can she and I have..among other folks as well. It would be a consistent correction in her conduct and not to say I don't examine what I do as well because I am now in observance of myself more than ever. I just want to do what's right. I need to study God's word more.
I forgot to answer your question from your previous post about if my husband listens to CLE. Yes he does but he says he is busy at work and by the time he is home he us exhausted. He works construction. I am beginning to have concerns of things he does and says but I am just going to keep studying and let him know of my concerns and leave it at that. But as for my children we all listen and learn together with CLE. And Josh and I read God's word together. He also agrees with CLE material. Some of the issues he doesn't agree with. He wants to observe sabbath days. He is is conflicted of the 501c3 info. I do not argue with him. He also hasn't listened to the messages on these matters as well. So I'm gonna maybe chalk it up to ignorance. But it seems as though it may be willful which hints my concerns. I will continue to pray on this matter. All I know is God's Law has opened me To my need of Him. I am still unlearning old "church" ways. I question a lot to make sure what I am learning on CLE just because I have been educated wrong before. But this seems very different. The fact that I will be rejected and hated almost indefinitely gives me more indication this person has studied to shew thyself approved. But I still read it for myself without interpretation from man but it seems to always line up. One issue he spoke of on marriage and divorce. I always thought you couldn't get remarried unless the spouse died. But I'm beginning to see that there truly is a clause on this matter just like murder has a clause as well. Killing in self defense. At least this is the way I understood the teaching. Correct me if I be wrong please. You have a good day Jeanne. Hope to hear from you.
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Well, Heather, the issue of 'being around' my mother never really comes up since she lives in Michigan and I'm in Australia. I've only been back to visit once since I moved here in January, 2008, when my brother's present to her for her 80th birthday was a plane ticket for me. But that was in 2013, two years before I found CLE, so I didn't see a problem then with any of the things she was doing. Unlike you, I had no clue about the holidays being pagan; I just knew that personally, I couldn't be bothered with them. I saw them more as an inconvenience than anything else. (I remember spending one Christmas going to the theatre to see Lord of the Rings :o ) But even before moving here, I still didn't see her more than maybe once a year because I was living in Texas.
Anyway, I'm not quite sure exactly what your question was regarding the marriage teaching, but you seem to have a good grasp of the material so far. But just the fact that most of the blowback Chris has gotten from his teachings has been from church-goers ought to tell you that he's on the right track. He's gotten two strikes on his YouTube channel for 'hate speech' because of the expose he did on Steven Anderson, and he'll probably get his channel taken down altogether if he ever tries to put up an audio of the teaching on Kent Hovind. None of that absolutely proves that he's right, however. You're doing the right thing by going back to the Scriptures yourself and checking things out.
I'm a bit confused about your husband, though. You said he was the one who realised the teachings at the church you were going to were wrong and you were the one who didn't listen, but now he doesn't want to listen to CLE, either? You mentioned he wants to celebrate the sabbath; is he falling for the Hebrew Roots thing? Chris nearly got sucked into that one, as well.
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My husband agrees with most of the CLE teachings but just may need to study more into those subjects so he has all the facts. We both are learning through this walk. And we are going to say and do things that may be not right as we are learning more and more. ..but that's why we will just keep trying to learn more and more to show ourselves approved. And the CLE has opened both of our eyes to what's really going on with the stuff in the world and Mainly the US. Vaccinations videos and study was WOW! I Had no idea but knew I didn't want them getting shots. They did have shots but I pulled them out of public school due to their struggle witj comprehension and the need for more one on one and the stuff they teach them. and they only had some shots. My oldest Jacob had almost all those shots unfortunately. My husband and I want more kids and I called our hospital to see if we could decline the Hep B shot after birth and they said yes but that a pediatrician will tell you it's safe and there's nothing to worry about. I chuckled under my breath when she said this but didn't say anything because I just knew it would fall on deaf ears. But I was glad to hear that the shot after birth could be declined.
The question about how to deal with the lost family members and the lost in general was pertaining more on how to handle those who "rail" on you? Like I am giving the truth and my sister in law rails at me and is saying I am trying be worthy of my salvation and I'm getting crazy with my religion. I never responded back.
I know we can't know everything we go through that leads to certain situations. But I gave her the truth because she was curious of what has happened to me. My husband said that I gave her truth with scripture and historical proof. If she won't except..you just leave it alone and give your burdens of rejection To Jesus Christ
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If you're wanting to have more kids, have you ever thought of looking up a midwife and having babies at home as opposed to the hospital? Just a thought, and that way you wouldn't have to worry about doctors doing anything to your child you don't want them to do. Unless you need a C-section or are at high risk for complications, there's really no reason for people to have to have babies in hospital.
There are others on here who would be able to advise you far better than I would on dealing with family, especially those who have come out of the Catholic church.
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Yes. My husband and I have been looking into birth at home. I agree with you. We have been doing research on what to do and it's scary but highly considered. Because even though the hospital may say they won't give shots ..i honestly do not trust them. And I have had normal births that turned out to be smooth. Thank you for encouraging me in this direction.
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I know how you feel. After my hospital birth experience, I would rather do it at home especially with this covid business going on.
As for railing family members, I have had to put space between some of mine after bringing these topics up. I still talk with them but the relationship is different. You have spoke the truth, and if they do not want to hear it, that is on them. It is at least good they react that way as that means there is some conviction. Some may surprise you and let that initial anger drive them to find the truth.
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Yes. My husband waited 14 years for me to come to the truth and he lost his temper with me on occasions and I really feel awful for how I was to him. So I need to be ready for whatever comes. If my sister in law comes to me ready to learn more because she has finally seen the sin in her life and repents for it.. I want to be ready to help in any way I can. As far as having a baby at home.. I do have a friend who is an LPN and may ask her to help with at home delivery but not sure how she will respond ::)
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Heather,
Thank you for your encouraging reply. I appreciate you breaking down that verse for me. It really helps. You are absolutely correct - there are plenty of ways I can improve as a wife. I struggle with some the same sins as you. Laziness is a big one. There are so many things that easily distract me. I do not pray specifically about this enough. I must keep asking God to show me my sins and give me a repentant heart so I can be a better example in what I do and say.
I wish I could have had a home birth with my daughter but my husband was not on board; however, we found a birthing center that we were both comfortable with. It was a house close to the hospital. I had a midwife and nurse deliver my daughter and they were very supportive of my decision to deliver naturally and forgo all vaccinations, interventions, etc. I was very blessed to have a low-risk pregnancy and safe delivery without the need for such things, but we were within a minute of the hospital should we have needed their emergency services. Is your husband open to a home birth? From what you have shared, it sounds like he might be! How wonderful! Hopefully you can find a midwife that does home births.
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My husband and I don't see eye to eye on things and I can feel that old me trying to build up again but then I pause and breath. Think before I say something I will probably regret. Then it goes smoothly. I am trying to be a better wife. To do more for my family because The Lord is prompting me to. I do it with gladness because it pleases My Father. I want to do more outdoors stuff. Like yard work. Im usually indoors but this new journey has me wanting to start my own farm. Hehe.. Husband is on board about the farm idea. Just trying to tackle one project at a time. Getting lil things done here and there. My husband is on board about home delivery. The other deliveries we had at the hospitals he was conflicted greatly about epidurals. I believe I have major back problems where they inserted that huge needle. It would not be something I would take lightly having a baby at home. But I desire to put my body through what it suppose to go through and overcome. Women have been giving birth for thousands of years. We was made to do this. It truly is a scary thought because I have been used to hospital births. Im so glad though you had a place to go to for birth so close to home. Plus the midwife. :)
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Heather,
It's great that your husband is open to a home birth. I'm sorry to hear you have experienced some problems from past birth interventions, but how wonderful that you want to have a more natural birth for the next baby! We must suffer through labor pains but as you said, we are designed for it. And yes, we are instructed to do our work as if we are for doing it for Christ himself.
And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men;
Colossians 3:23
While there are certain tasks that I do not enjoy doing, I am very fulfilled with my role as a wife, mother, and homemaker more than any other job I've had in the past. Right after college I began working full time for a corporation and I spent a lot of time over those six years looking for a different job and different career path altogether. I was never satisfied and did not like the work. The most enjoyable jobs I had were my first (grocery store) and last (Chiropractic office) and neither one required a college degree. Looking back, I realize that perhaps it was because I was designed to do what I am doing now. The aspects I enjoyed in my first and last jobs definitely correlate to the caring, nurturing, and repetitive nature of being a wife, mother, and homemaker.
I think it's great that you want to start a farm. I would like to grow my own food but we have one of the smallest lots in town and a big tree in our tiny yard that would make it challenging to grow anything other than weeds. Those false strawberries seem to grow quite well on their own though. :) I am considering trying to grow some vegetables in pots or containers. Christopher's wife Lorraine runs a farm. I'm sure she has lots of knowledge on growing food!
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I worked outside of the home and enjoyed it but I definitely prefer homemaker. My home life seemed to be chaotic when I worked full time. I used to Work at our local bank and gas station. But homeschooling was difficult and nearly impossible. So I said. Im coming home. Best choice ever.
I went to Lorraines webpage Good Seed Garden. And it was one of the incidents that inspired me to start my own garden. We have 2.5 acres and we have a small garden. I want a bigger one. I would love to run a farm but I know it will be hard but totally worth it. I have heard of these things called Aerogardens. I was wanting to try that. It's an indoor garden. They can get pricey but it sure would be neat. We have big dreams to make our lil farm self sustaining. But one thing at a time. It all seems overwhelming sometimes.
Thank you Laura for being so kind and telling me about yourself. I am learning a lot through CLE and this forum. It encourages me to be better and please My LORD JESUS Christ and educates me. I still have a long way to go.
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Heather,
Your testimony of coming to true repentance and faith in Christ is really good to hear. We are both new here but I am glad that we both found this place so early on in conversion so that we can connect with other believers. Praise God for His great mercy towards us all!
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It's a lonely walk so yes I was so glad that I found This place to get truth and guidance and encouragenent. When I read your testimony I just knew that you knew what it meant and it rang truth. All Glory to Jesus Christ for caring enough to be patient with me to come to the Truth and you as well.
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You're right, Heather; it is a lonely walk. I have sanctified myself from the church I was going to and I don't have any friends over where I am anymore. I have always seen myself as an introvert but I after coming out of my church, leaving college, and leaving my ex-boyfriend in obedience to God's word I have never desired true fellowship more than I do now--it is a deep longing I have now that I see how few people have ever come to repentance and faith in general.
I'm thankful that we have access to this forum now. Praise God. I'm glad you're here, Heather!
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Ellie
Also I am very thankful for the closer relationship with Jesus Christ now since I'm not distracting myself with the wrong people and activities. Now I'm learning on discerning when to teach and how to let them know The Truth (with love and compassion) even though they take it as hate speech. (Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you. Matthew 5:11-12) (Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
-Matthew 7:13-14 ) I used to be that person who hated reproof from my husband but now we are a team (that still struggles) working to sanctify ourselves from this world and reach the lost out there. So far we are finding out more and more just how alone we are and finding out who are friends really are. I listened to a message on CLE on birthdays and witchcraft (video part 2) and realized just how people pretend to be our friends for the sake of hidden obligation and outward appearances. Most people do not truly care about us. They feign it.
Have you checked out the biblical understand of weddings and marriage series? It will Prepare you for your future choosing of a mate. There is quite a bit of info. Lots of videos.
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Heather,
Ellie
Also I am very thankful for the closer relationship with Jesus Christ now since I'm not distracting myself with the wrong people and activities. Now I'm learning on discerning when to teach and how to let them know The Truth (with love and compassion) even though they take it as hate speech.
So true! I pray that God will help me with discernment in that area, too.
Have you checked out the biblical understand of weddings and marriage series? It will Prepare you for your future choosing of a mate. There is quite a bit of info. Lots of videos.
Yes, I have! It was very interesting to learn about. I am thankful that God has opened my mind to receive that information because I used to be very attached to the concepts of wedding traditions and I liked to plan my future wedding in my head and look at photos online about it. But I am glad I know the truth about it now. I desire to be married but I try (and struggle) to be patient about it but I know that I need to work on myself by God's grace in order to be more prepared to be a good wife, anyway. For now, I have more time to spend studying God's word which is good but I need to utilize it better (because I am lazy sometimes and don't use my time as I ought). I have a long way to go to become a proverbs 31 wife, but I pray that God will give me wisdom to grow in the areas I need it most.
It is definitely an increasingly lonely walk, but again, it is good to be part of the forum. Has your husband considered joining too? I pray that God would continue to guide your family on your walk with Christ.
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Hi Heather, welcome!
It was very encouraging to read through your posts. Praise the Lord Jesus Christ for giving you and your husband the wisdom and discernment to step away from the church you both attended for 14 years. I'm sure after that long in that church you stepped away from that you left behind a good amount of people who you thought were your friends, probably many of which don't agree with you. I had that happen when I left my last church 3 years ago, but the Lord gave me peace about leaving them all behind and warning them about the dangers of the the church (none of them have left that I warned).
We are all very excited to have you here. I look forward to more conversations with you in the future :)
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Ellie
My husband works a lot of hours. But he does listen to the teachings with me at night and is so glad we found this place to learn more. I tell him of the people and discussions on here. He is so glad I found friends in Christ.
I'm glad you had a chance to learn of the teaching on biblical marriages. It has helped open my eyes as well.
Shannon
Hi there. My husband and I both were troubled for years at that church even though I was lost while I was there. I just didn't realize that it was God saying this place (building of paganism) isn't right. My husband tried to tell them but they didn't listen. We have talked with individuals outside of their "services" and we are losing the so called friends. But we just keep trucking along. A lil hurt (worldly pains) but not really surprised. Sanctification and repentance is our goal as is telling others the truth of The words Jesus Christ taught and lived. The words and teachings that changed my life. Jesus Christ changed me more than I ever thought possible. His mercy is overwhelming.
You ladies have a good day ! May God give opportunity to us to teach other ladies of His forgiveness of sin. May we humble ourselves and examine ourselves daily. And meditate on HIS word. May we sharpen each other in The Word.
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Just wanted to share some scriptures that help me.
Proverbs 27:17
Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.
John 1:5
And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
2 Corinthians 6:14
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
1 John 2:15-17
Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
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Heather and Ellie, I am glad to see both of you here. You have already been a blessing to us and it is encouraging to see two new people connecting and edifying each other. I hope to see the two of you eventually become part of our church family.
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Heather, that makes sense. I am glad you and your husband are still able to listen to the teachings together anyway! I pray that the Lord would bless you and your family in learning more about walking with Christ. And thank you for posting those verses, they are good ones.
Jeanne, I know I have said it multiple times, but I really am thankful to be here. It is a joyful thing for me to see a new response to a post on here because I don't interact with anyone in person who has shown signs of being born again in Christ. I hope that I might be able to have the opportunity to join sometime.
I know it's God's kindness to me in leading me here to converse with other Christians because of all my prayers in frustration and confusion about where I could go to find true believers. It has been so great here already. Praise God.
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Ellie
Do you liked to be called Ellie or EMS? Just curious. My husband enjoys the teachings of CLE BUT.. The more and more I learn the more concerned I am for my husband's heart. There are things that he says and does that worries me. I am still going to do what Gods Word says for me to do. I am going to keep praying for my husband. I have noticed some of my prayers are being heard just by some things my husband brings up in conversation. I realize God may be working in him and it may be because of the prayers? Anytime he listens to the audio teachings he really is glad there is another person who teaches what he believes but some subjects are touchy for my husband. I am wondering if I should bring them up? He has the idea that nobody should be remarried unless there is a death of a spouse. He does things that are repetitive sins and it is concerning me. He hangs out with people I know in my heart are lost but claim they aren't and it's bothering me.
Jeanne
That's timely that you mentioned joining the church. I was just looking through the request to join and I want to. And I already downloaded the Skype app for it. I do have one question... I have a cell phone only and no microphone. Maybe it's built in on my phone? I am not very computer saavy .I haven't sent an email to Chris yet but I will. I am a little nervous but also excited to join. The times work for me. I have a pretty open schedule. Since I homeschool I can move class time to where ever will work. I am home most days. Also.. If you could lend me some advice on the situation I mentioned up in the note to Ellie ..that would be appreciated.
May we get deeper in His word! And that we would come humbly to him daily in repentance for our wrongs. He is so good to us
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If you have a smart phone, yes the mic will be built in. If you got your phone new, it should have also come with a headset which would probably have a mic in it, as well. If you don't have a headset, you can get those fairly cheaply at any office supply store and even some dollar stores.
I'm not sure what to say about your marriage situation. If you have voiced your concerns to your husband and he rejects what you have to say, then keep praying. Only the Holy Spirit can convict him. It may be that as he sees changes in you, that he will eventually come around.
I don't necessarily see his views on remarriage to be a problem, though. It's not a critical salvation doctrine and hopefully, the issue will never have any relevance to either one of you. If there are other doctrinal issues that you disagree on, ask him to share Scripture references supporting his position and you do the same.
I would be more concerned with the recurring sin and the people he is hanging around that may be encouraging that behaviour. Again, though, although you can voice your concerns to him, only the Holy Spirit can convict him. If he is truly seeking after God, he will come around in his own time. Work on yourself as much as possible and keep praying for your husband.
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Jeanne.
I have told him how I think the people he hangs with are lost and he does agree. And his reoccurring sin is something i also spoke to him about and he agrees as well. But still continues. But I will keep on praying for the Holy Spirit to keep working on him. Also I will ask him why he believes the way he does on the remarriage issue. I appreciate your help. Thank you Jeanne :)
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Ellie
Do you liked to be called Ellie or EMS? Just curious. My husband enjoys the teachings of CLE BUT.. The more and more I learn the more concerned I am for my husband's heart. There are things that he says and does that worries me. I am still going to do what Gods Word says for me to do. I am going to keep praying for my husband. I have noticed some of my prayers are being heard just by some things my husband brings up in conversation. I realize God may be working in him and it may be because of the prayers? Anytime he listens to the audio teachings he really is glad there is another person who teaches what he believes but some subjects are touchy for my husband. I am wondering if I should bring them up? He has the idea that nobody should be remarried unless there is a death of a spouse. He does things that are repetitive sins and it is concerning me. He hangs out with people I know in my heart are lost but claim they aren't and it's bothering me.
You guys can call me Ellie! My username is just my initials.
Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;
While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear.
Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;
But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.
For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:
Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement. (1 Peter 3:1-6)
Praise God that He has been answering your prayers about your husband. That is a good thing. And I am also in agreement with Jeanne about this:
Again, though, although you can voice your concerns to him, only the Holy Spirit can convict him. If he is truly seeking after God, he will come around in his own time. Work on yourself as much as possible and keep praying for your husband.
I recently listened to the charity teaching and I have been really convicted about being more charitable towards others just by how I behave and represent Christ around them, and not causing people to stumble. As newer Christians, it is really good to have that understanding early on because it could really benefit the people around us. In working on yourself more and sanctifying yourself, your husband will likely take notice of it and it may have an impact on him. If you haven't listened to that teaching yet, I highly recommend it.
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Hello Heather,
Apologies it's a little late now but, Welcome! It was wonderful to read your testimony and praise God you found this ministry! I am rejoicing right along with you!
I see you've been talking about home births. I was born at home myself, though it was a while ago so I don't remember the details lol. So was my little sister, and then my older sister gave birth to her youngest son at home too, all in the same house funny enough!
My auntie is a midwife and she delivered me and nearly all my siblings, and most of my cousins. She's all about doing things naturally and she's done a lot of home births. So I think finding a good, supportive midwife is important. But I don't really know much this kind of stuff XD
Godbless you and your family :D
Joshua
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Joshua
I am glad you introduced yourself. I am still trying to learn who everyone is. I am still overwhelmed that Jesus has opened my eyes. It brings tears of joy that he thought of me but the fact that so many I have been raised with and by are so lost. Praying that I will be bold and compassionate toward them to share truth even though they may not hear.
I am so glad we do not remember coming into this world.. It would be unfortunate indeed :D
That is so cool that your family has continued in home births. I think I read something you had posted about your child being born in the hospital and denied all the doctors so called "help/assistance", is this correct or did I read someone else's comment? Sorry if I have you mixed up with another person.
Still will need a midwife for our family. I am not with child but we want more if God wills.
Excited to get to know everyone more. Patiently waiting to learn more of God's Word as well.
God bless your family as well.
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Hi Heather; I sorry this is late in coming; I just read your posts and was blessed by the way the Lord lead you to true repentance. Your honesty is refreshing. I much older than you and raised my family of six children homeschooled and gave birth to 3 of them at home. It's not has as frightening as having to go into the hospital to give birth. I came from a large family of 18 and my mother had 9 at home it was a time when that was the norm. I'm sure the Lord will guide you in finding a midwife if that is what you and your husband desires. I just would like to thank you again for your posts and look forward to knowing you more.
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I hope that I might be able to have the opportunity to join sometime.
I know it's God's kindness to me in leading me here to converse with other Christians because of all my prayers in frustration and confusion about where I could go to find true believers. It has been so great here already. Praise God.
Just incase you aren't already aware: https://www.creationliberty.com/forum/index.php?topic=79.0
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Hi there madonnajean. Thank you for introducing yourself. I do hope to find a midwife if that becomes necessary. I have 2 boys now. Jacob 12 and Seth 10. We do want more but only if God wills it for us. I have had 2 hospital births and they were ok but now that I look back after coming to the knowledge of the problems with hospitals .. It was sort of traumatic. Epidurals. Pain medication. The vaccinations. The push for formula. They use fear to push their wicked agenda. I have had repentance over the damage I may have brought upon my children. Of course I was ignorant of this wicked agenda of theirs but it still broke me after I listened to the facts on VACCINATIONS. Who knows what those things did to my children. By the grace of God they turned out to be ok so far. Praying The a healthy diet helps them to grow smart and strong. I am so glad we decided to homeschool. They both was in public school. But even as a lost person I knew the junk they was teaching had to be eradicated. Now I am learning something new everyday alongside our boys.
Timothy I was thinking of Ellie joining as well. Her coming to Christ paralled with me so much. She and I are both new to this and it's nice to have someone new along with me so that we could learn together.
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Timothy, thanks for linking that! I have seen it, I haven't yet reached 20 posts so I was thinking to abide by those rules before making the 'jump' to asking to join. I completely understand and welcome the reasoning for it. I want to be righteously judged for my posts because I want to know if there is anything I am demonstrating that might reveal something about me that I may not see.
Timothy I was thinking of Ellie joining as well. Her coming to Christ paralled with me so much. She and I are both new to this and it's nice to have someone new along with me so that we could learn together.
Heather, I appreciate that. I have been very excited to talk to you on here since you're also new.
I appreciate and am thankful to God for the kind welcome from everyone and since it's come up again I guess I should be more forthcoming and say that yes I am interested in joining the church after I've abided by those rules. :) I want to hopefully make some good and edifying contributions to the forum but I have hesitated a bit because it seems that what I might have to say is more basic and possibly already known by more experienced eyes on here... Maybe I am overthinking it, though.
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Ellie, everything you have said so far has been very edifying for all of us, and I look forward to having you join us, too! Don't worry about being repetitive, especially when it comes to posting Scripture. Repetition helps us all to retain knowledge better. I know you have mainly been talking to Heather with your posts, but everything you have said so far are things we all need to hear.
So hurry up and get those last few posts done already! ;D
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Solid testimony
I recommend she become a member of the church
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Jeanne, I am glad about that. I know that anything I have been able to contribute is only because of God's grace towards me. I am excited to learn more. And okay, that is good to know! I appreciate repetition too so that does make sense. :)
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And thanks, Steve! All the glory to God for saving me and giving me that testimony.
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Ellie
I just seen your comment earlier on page 2. I don't know how i missed that but I received the scripture you sent me pertaining to my husband. Thank you for that. That was just what I needed to hear.
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I thought if I was kind to people and respected their beliefs that I was paving my road of kindness to Heaven.
Heather thank you for posting your in-depth intro, I rejoiced as I watched it unfold. I want to share something about the above sentence you wrote because it has helped me. I have used it more than a few times already when rebuking others or discussing the things of God with them. The way you worded it is a good take on many caught up in churchanity. I have family members who think this exact way. Not always, but many times that kindness will dissipate when challenging their beliefs or most especially when rebuking their sin.
Proverbs 27:6 Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.
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David
I am glad that the phrase has helped.
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This sinful flesh wars within me daily,I want to bring my flesh into subjection to His Holy Spirit, that guides me into righteousness and a right relationship with my Heavenly Father. I want to make sure I am right with God before there is any correction of others. I have been struggling to make sure I am not casting proud looks, and I have been opening my mouth saying things I think is ok but then realizing maybe I should have had more compassion with my spouse or others and I am warring daily against this and it makes me so mad at myself for falling short. May the words I speak be the words of my Heavenly Father and may my actions be as the actions and words of Christ. It is a 'tall' order but with he guidance of the Holy Spirit and the daily repentance, it truly helps keep things in order and correct. Praying for our family members who think they are saved but are being deceived by the lies of satan. Have a good day David.
Some good scriptures:
Proverbs 27:5-7
5 Open rebuke is better than secret love.
6 Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.
7 The full soul loatheth an honeycomb; but to the hungry soul every bitter thing is sweet.
1 John 1:9
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Matthew 7:6
6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
If these Scriptures are used out of context please correct me. It seems as though they could be applied to the situation?