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Bible Discussion / Question For Those Who Don't Believe In Eternal Security

« on: July 05, 2023, 08:03:26 PM »

I was reading one of Chris's "Wild Emails", specifically This Man Did Not Want The Truth to Set Him Free .(https://www.creationliberty.com/forum/index.php?topic=1039.0)
It was about John from Ohio sending Chris to a leavened ministry. I was watching the video that Chris was sent and found out why John sent it. https://video.wvbs.org/video/the-thief-on-the-cross/
He was trying to get Chris that Baptism is necessary for salvation by trying create doubts on the "thief on the cross' arguments.
The man in the Video, Don Blackwell, gave three arguments about the thief on the cross:
1. He could have already been baptized.
2. He lived and died under the Old Testament system
3. Christ had the power to speak about man's sins forgiven
He used verses to try and to back his claim like
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. Mark 16:15-16
Of course, he missed the second half of that verse:
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. Mark 16:15-16
It does not say "he that believeth and baptized not shall be damned."

For the next two verses, I have no issue against them.
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Act 2:38

Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: 1 Peter 3:20-21

Don Blackwell, also believes that one can lose their salvation:https://video.wvbs.org/video/the-truth-about-repentance-asl/

His reasoning was Simon the sorcerer was saved since he was baptized, but he only was baptized since he thought he gain the Holy Spirit and use it for money. So no, he was not saved.
And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money, Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost. But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money. Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God. Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee. For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity. Acts 8:18-23

I was thinking about this when a question popped into my head. The question was: Do these people believe sin is more powerful than God's love?
For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 8:38-39
Once God loves someone, He will never un-love them because if he did, why would chasten and rebuke them?
As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. Revelation 3:19

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Bible Discussion / Caleb's Testimony of Events

« on: July 02, 2023, 10:35:19 PM »

Here is my testimony of events while I began to be in contact with CLE.

When I first came to Creation Liberty, I was much like Daniel in that I was a student of conspiracies, creationism, and politics, but not, a student of the Lord Jesus Christ. I was practically spamming the forum with one topic after another that had to do with one of these three topics.
Spam: disruptive online messages, especially commercial messages posted on a computer network or sent as email

I didn't reply or start a conversation that was about any Biblical doctrine while rarely or never using scripture in any of my topics. Why? I didn't understand the word, I was too lazy to read it, and I didn't know any of it at all. Translation: I knew if I used any of it, I would be rebuked immediately and I believed I could have faith in God through some other method than what is clearly written in the word.
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Romans 10:17
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Romans 3:10-12
To put it simply, I had no faith, no discernment, no understanding, no fear of the Lord, and no love for any of you. All while saying the exact opposite and believing that I was saved because I thought I understood repentance. I believe the Lord allowed Daniel on here to see myself in him and come clear about all of this.
And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. Romans 8:28

At this point, I would like to thank the rebukes given by Chris and others during this time because they showed how wicked my heart actually was.
Open rebuke is better than secret love. Proverbs 27:5
The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? Jeremiah 17:9

One of the first cracks that led me to repentance was Chris's article when he first released it:
Hell is Real and Many People are Going There
https://creationliberty.com/articles/hell.php

It was a sobering article that lead to becoming a bawling mess because it showed exactly where I was destined to go without Christ and I was terrified for myself and others. But this was the sorrow of a worldly sort because it lead me to begin trying to clean the outside of my cup.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. Matthew 23:25
When rebuked of this, I tried to get into the Word, which ended within a few weeks and I didn't remember any of what I listened to. I listened to the word because I thought I could listen to it out loud while doing something else. It didn't stick at all.

I became to post less and less because I grew increasingly uncomfortable talking to you all because it was increasingly clear how different I was from all of you. The straw that broke the camel's back though was Nate, he was friendly the entire time he was on the forum, and I know why now. I never discussed Biblical Doctrine with him, we talked about creationism, stories, and dinosaurs.
If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. John 15:19
He hated Chris because Chris is not of the world but he loved me because I was. To this day, I am still hesitant to respond to new visitors after what happened to Nate.

I barely wrote anything of substance for the most part of 2020-21 because I was ashamed to write anything because I had fallen into a great depression. During quarantine, I barely did anything (besides doing schoolwork) while fulfilling the lust of the flesh. I could have taken walks, helped my family, helped take care of the animals, but I didn't do anything of that. I was a slothful disgusting creature that cared nothing for others.
Go to the ant, thou sluggard; consider her ways, and be wise: Which having no guide, overseer, or ruler, Provideth her meat in the summer, and gathereth her food in the harvest. How long wilt thou sleep, O sluggard? when wilt thou arise out of thy sleep? Proverbs 6:6-9

In my previous post, I repented in January of 2021 but it was 2022, so sorry about that. That period showed just how wicked I truly am and necessary Christ is for me. I cried myself to sleep begging God to forgive me for everything that I have ever done.
The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit. Psalms 34:18
Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing. For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death. 2 Corinthians 7:9-10

When I woke up, I felt peace like I had never felt before, and that lasted for two days until I fell back into sin. It showed just how necessary it is to rely on the Lord for everything. I thank the Lord for opening my eyes to the Word of the truth.
But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty. Matthew 13:19

I have reread Chris's articles again and again to understand them because I have taught them in error in the past. For example, for a while there I believed repent could mean "to turn" or "to change one's mind" depending on the context. I now know that is completely false and I was telling others false doctrine. I am ashamed of saying that to others.
I have gotten into the Word, I have finished off the new testament, and I am now currently in the old testament, specifically 1 Samuel. I found out that me reading out loud helps it stick more than just hearing someone read it.

So for now I want to thank the Lord for bringing me to all of you, for opening my eyes to the truth, for giving me a love of truth, for His mercy, His longsuffering, and well... everything even though I am absolutely undeserving of any of it. I hate myself for my sin, my wicked thoughts/imagination, how they affect others (most of all the Lord), and how I fall into temptation. As time passes I understand how it feels to be the publican more and more.
And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. Luke 18:13

So, I want to hear what you have to say about this. I am ashamed about what I have done to all of you and you all deserve the truth. I am ashamed I couldn't tell all of you this sooner.

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General Discussion / Mystery of the Hebrew Roots Cultist

« on: May 11, 2023, 09:02:35 AM »

I researched Joshua from Virginia, the man who claimed he was "attacked by a siren that came out of his toilet." I was curious to see what he believed and taught. He believes in many false doctrines, and I doubt he is alive today. I say this because he claims that

"ATTENTION ALL VISITORS, THE SPIRIT OF ELIYAHU / אליהו THE SPIRIT OF ELIYAHU / אליהו (MY EL IS YAH) IS UPON ME!"

https://prophecyofyahweh.com/attention-all-visitors
He believes that Elijah's Spirit came down and said to him:

"THOU LOVEST RIGHTEOUSNESS, AND HATEST WICKEDNESS: THEREFORE YAHWEH, THY ELOHIM (GOD), HATH ANOINTED THEE WITH THE OIL OF GLADNESS ABOVE THY FELLOWS…"

His last post was made in February of 2020 and he said the exact same thing there. I don't have a Facebook account so I can't see whether or not he is there. Considering what happened to that Charismatic priest (Tony Palmer) that said he came in the spirit of Elijah, I don't believe Joshua is going to get away with saying that. After saying that he went on this spiel about how others should join him:

THE CIVIL WAR IS COMING TO AMERICA AND THEN RUSSIAN INVASION ON THE EAST AND CHINESE ON THE WEST. MOST OF YOU SHALL DIE AND THEN BE BURN IN HELL FOR THE FRUITS OF YOUR LIFE. ..CHOOSE TODAY FOR WHOM YOU SHALL LIVE, FIGHT AND DIE.  BUT AS FOR ME, I CHOOSE AS ELIYAH TO LIVE, FIGHT AND DIE FOR GOD OF THE BIBLE YAHWEH AS ONE OF HIS SERVANTS.
THEREFORE THE KING OF HEAVEN YAHWEH OF HOST SENT ME INTO THE WORLD TO PREPARE THE WAY BEFORE HIS RETURN AND FINISHED THE MISSION OF JOHN THE BAPTIST. MY BROTHERS. THE KING OF HEAVEN YAHWEH OF HOSTS ORDERED ME IN FEB. 2018 TO BEGIN RECRUITING FOR HIS HOSTS >” HOSTS OF YAHWEH”, AND I OBEYED MY KING. IF YOU ARE WILLING TO LIVE AND DIE FOR YAHWEH AS ONE OF HIS SERVANTS AND NOT WORSHIP THE BEAST, THEN JOIN US.
TIME IS COMING THAT THIS WEBSITE OF YAHWEH SHALL BE NO MORE AVAILABLE ONLINE, THEREFORE BE WISE BY > DOWNLOADING, COPY, ALL VIDEOS, POSTS, IMAGES…ETC. THAT YOU LIKE IT TO YOUR PERSONAL COMPUTER.  AMEN.

I also wanted to talk about that "Host of Elijah" he was talking about, which is actually a militia that he is/was the leader of or just a member of it. He is even teaching others guerilla warfare tactics he found on the internet:https://prophecyofyahweh.com/now-recruiting-hosts-%d7%99%d7%94%d7%95%d7%94-yahweh/the-militia-hosts-of-yahweh-tactical-basic-guidance-of-guerrilla-warfare
Here is the guerilla warfare part of the website: https://prophecyofyahweh.com/now-recruiting-hosts-%d7%99%d7%94%d7%95%d7%94-yahweh
He started this because he claimed the

Yahweh ordered me in February 2018 to start Recruiting for His end-time hosts to build a godly Biblical brotherhood that together we shall live and die for our heavenly father Yahweh and for each other as the Bible said, for it is truly heavenly love

I hope he is still alive so that he can come to repentance, grief and godly sorrow that is. If not, he would be met with this message as soon as he died:
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Matthew 7: 22-23

[https://blog.drwile.com/dr-frank-logsdon-and-the-nasb-another-christian-myth/]

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Bible Discussion / Confusion about NASV Co-founder claims

« on: January 18, 2023, 05:39:00 PM »

https://blog.drwile.com/dr-frank-logsdon-and-the-nasb-another-christian-myth/

Chris, I talked with someone about the Nasv being renounced a few years but when he looked up the claim. He found a website that said that such a thing was a myth, I was unsure to respond and it left me confused. Was Dr. Franklin Logsdon actually the co-founder? I am asking because The Lockman Foundation that created the NASV publically said this was actually not the case. I hope this Logsdon was not lying to others.
A lying tongue hateth those are afflicted by it; and a flattering mouth worketh run. Proverbs 26:28

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Bible Discussion / How Churchgoers see repentance in a nutshell

« on: May 25, 2021, 10:04:49 AM »

I found this article recently on the CMI website and it sums up how the churchgoers fumble with the idea of repentance. Case in point, they claim that repentance means to turn, they don't say that directly but they imply it to be that way. The comments are filled with contradictory beliefs like playing the greek game or just using it to mean to turn.

“For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.” 2 Corinthian 7:10

What part of this is so hard to understand?
Repentance is needed to bring salvation and it is given by God through sorrow. Grief and Godly sorrow is repentance to be precise but every one of the churchgoers doesn't or can't understand this.

Here is the Article:
https://creation.com/repentance

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General Discussion / NYT article advocates for people to stop using critical thinking!

« on: February 26, 2021, 10:17:47 PM »

I just found this article and it basically says it is better to believe them over anything else. Here is the article:
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/18/opinion/fake-news-media-attention.html

Here some quotes from the article:

Stop overthinking what you see online.

Critical thinking, as we’re taught to do it, isn’t helping in the fight against misinformation.

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General Discussion / The worst "Christian song" ever made.

« on: October 10, 2020, 10:03:23 PM »

Reading Chris' article about so called christian music reminded of a song that came out a few years ago. I heard it once and even though I may not be as good with discernment as many of you but the first time I ever heard It was obvious that this was completely demonic. It called the Break Up song and here are the lyrics

Sick and tired of being sick and tired
Had as much of you as I can take
I'm so done, so over being afraid
I've gone through the motions
I've been back and forth
I know that you're thinking you've heard this before
I don't know how to say it
So I'm just gonna say it, yeah
Fear, you don't own me
There ain't no room in this story
And I ain't got time for you
Telling me what I'm not
Like you know me well guess what?
I know who I am
I know I'm strong
And I am free
Got my own identity
So fear, you will never be welcome here
Take a minute, let it settle in
You probably never saw it coming
Something's gotta give so I give up you, oh
There's no room for you here
Yeah, I've had enough
The "No Vacancy" sign on my heart is lit up
In case you didn't hear it
Here it is again,
Oh, fear, you don't own me
There ain't no room in this story
And I ain't got time for you
Telling me what I'm not
Like you know me well guess what?
I know who I am
I know I'm strong
And I am free
Got my own identity
So fear, you will never be welcome here
Is there anybody out there just like me?
Anybody needing fear to leave?
If you don't know how to say it
Sing along with me
Sing fear, you don't own me
There ain't no room in this story
And I ain't got time for you
Telling me what I'm not
Like you know me well guess what?
I know who I am
I know I'm strong, brave
And I am free
Got my own identity
So fear, you will never be welcome here
Whoa, goodbye, goodbye fear
Whoa, you will never be welcome here

I want to see what you guys think but for me the worst part is the

I know who I am
I know I'm strong, brave
And I am free

Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
-Revelation 3:17

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General Discussion / What can I say?

« on: July 17, 2019, 08:06:22 AM »

My mom and I have a point of contention when it comes to psychology and drugs as of late thanks to Chris. I want to help my mom because she has been suckered by these Psychologists. She said that all those imaginary mental illnesses exist because she worked with those who had them one on one. She is on anti-depressants and is wanting me to take some for my imaginary Adhd and my real Autism. I keep reminding there are days I took it and she didn't believe me whatsoever. She kept thinking that I kept not taking and then when I pointed it out, the "medicine" wasn't working because I didn't take it on a "regular schedule". She even made me take some other medicine that was supposed to "reduce anxiety and give better attention". The first day I took the new one, I complete an anxious mess that was off the wall and felt like jumping through a window. I voiced my complaint and she gave me an excuse "Maybe it is your body getting used to it". Instead of getting me off of it the moment she noticed something weird, I had to take it every day for a week, that means I was a complete mess for an entire week! According to mom, she had to talk to the doctor to see if it was working and then they decided to reduce the amount of the second medicine and they gave half of the dose. Guess what happened? I was a jumbled mess again of nerves and finally, they took me off it entirely after a few days!

So should I say to my mom as she is completely fooled by these snake oil salesman? I am worried for her because like I said is taking some of those drugs.

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General Discussion / Hate Crime? No, Pollen.

« on: June 05, 2019, 10:46:37 AM »

https://www.newsweek.com/darnell-byrd-mcpherson-mayor-lamar-south-carolina-hate-crime-pollen-spray-1349289

I found out about this today and it is one of the funniest things I have seen in a while. I would like to see what you guys think?

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Bible Discussion / Creation Ministries International defends Christmas (Badly)

« on: May 21, 2019, 11:45:55 AM »

I managed to find a video about CMI defending Christmas, It was more deceptive than I thought it was going to be. For example, it uses the exact same bad argument of the false use of the "Genetic Fallacy" like Tony Breedan used it. They even claim that Christmas Traditions predate pagan traditions which we know is complete lies. Like always if they were to take a biblical stand on topics like these, they would lose a lot of viewers (e.g. money).
You can review it for yourselves here:
https://youtu.be/AnxoZljZDwI

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Bible Discussion / Actual conditions vs sins

« on: March 18, 2019, 11:34:13 AM »

Guys I have noticed this for a while and I want to see if you have, too. People with conditions like down syndrome, autism, ADHD, or any other similar condition are trying to say that people that are apart of the LGBT+ movement are one and the same. They are attempting to make people accept that conditions like autism are the same as being a transgender person. This really insulting to me because I have autism and ADHD. It can basically be summed up in this picture:

Have any of you seen anything like this?

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Bible Discussion / All anti-kjv arguments in a nutshell

« on: February 27, 2019, 12:05:29 PM »

I found this a while back and still find it one of the saddest things I have ever seen:
https://www.deviantart.com/artngame215/art/King-James-Only-431164113

This guy claims he is  Christian but he believes the word of liars like "snow" white.

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General Discussion / Creationists using the geologic column

« on: February 22, 2019, 06:51:31 PM »

Guys, I have noticed something many and I repeat many creationist deny the geologic. However, these hypocrites actually use their own version of it to try and deny many proven things. For example, many organizations (CMI, etc) have now denounced living dinosaurs and say they are most assuredly extinct. The reason why they say is that their geologic column says that dinosaurs are not in the post-flood rock layers.
https://creation.com/dinosaurs-almost-certainly-extinct

How can you tell if something is post-flood or pre-flood? I don't know and they don't know either. They are now trying to use to disprove the floating forest by saying lycopod trees are not in the Jurassic or Cretaceous rock.
What do you guys think?

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General Discussion / The Innocent Mindset

« on: February 15, 2019, 03:31:17 PM »

Guys, I found a word describing atheists and other people who have the false perception they are innocent: the innocent mindset. Like atheists who regularly say that the God of the Bible is the same as Allah because God killed "innocent" people like in Sodom and Gomorrah. I have heard many atheists say they if they meet God they would not be afraid of such a mass murderer or try to bring down God to their level. Does this describe them to a T?

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General Discussion / "Experts Agree: Sugar highs do not exist!"

« on: February 11, 2019, 11:38:18 AM »

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/wordofmouth/2014/feb/25/do-children-really-get-sugar-rush-hyperactivity
According to mainstream "scientists", sugar highs are nothing more than myths made by people who have children that hyperactive all the time. So what do you guys think? I know this is nothing more than scam being created by the mainstream.

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General Discussion / It's not okay to hit woman...unless she's an anti-feminist

« on: February 05, 2019, 11:04:05 AM »

Guys, I found something kinda ironic, many male feminists are finding out okay not only curse out women when they are against feminism but also okay to hit a woman. Here is a video showing one hit a woman that is for pro-life, the guy who hit her has attacked people before:
https://youtu.be/-uqyGVKizL8
The ironic part is that many feminists are okay with it but also defend him.

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General Discussion / Answers in Genesis

« on: January 19, 2019, 10:03:41 AM »

I was on the Answers in Genesis website and saying that the claims that they are using Tax dollars to build the Ark are nothing more than a bald-faced lie. They have lied in the past, I would like to know if they are lying in this instance like they are on the topics of holidays, new-age bible versions, lexicons/concordances, and so on. I do think they are lying because of the fact that many of these so-called Christians do many unbiblical things like yoking up with FOc3 organizations.

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General Discussion / People who are really lost

« on: December 26, 2018, 10:28:32 AM »

Guys, I have been wanting to tell some of the wicked stuff I have found over the years. For example, one day while I was online, I found a picture of what I thought was a girl. "She" was really flat chested, had shoulder-length hair, and was wearing a pink frilly clothing thing. I knew something was wrong but I couldn't put my finger on so I looked a little bit further and found out what "she" really was. Turns out there is a whole group online of effeminate males known as "femboys". At the time I thought it was weird, if not a little interesting, but when I began to research the Bible more, I found that it was wicked in the sight of the lord:
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 1 Corinthians 6: 9-10

I found other groups that are just as wicked, I would like to see what you guys think.

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General Discussion / Questions about anxiety and depression

« on: November 28, 2018, 03:46:17 PM »

I have a serious matter to deal with, my mom and dad want to get me off the ADHD medicine, I have been taking and get me on an antidepressant/anxiety medicine because of the fact that I have a ruminating mind. I can't control my thoughts and then there is the fact that I get really upset at times like when I am doing homework on math and chemistry. I can get very upset with myself at times like when I found out when I didn't do something I was supposed to do, or when I feel even more stupid because I can't figure out something. Any suggestions on what to do?

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Bible Discussion / Tony Breenan

« on: November 23, 2018, 06:12:12 PM »

Chris, I was looking up on Tony Brennan's leavened website and this is what he says about you. From his Rogues gallery, he calls you an "ultra-legalist" along with saying you are a nonfundamentalist because you take the fun out of everything. That "fun" being pagan holidays, foc3 incorporated, pagan symbols, concordances/lexicons, rock music, and fantasy novels. He even claims that

he once boasted that hed stumped me based on the fact that I wasnt answering him because hed blocked me on Facebook and could neither see nor respond to his posts

I can see why he departed from your ministry, you weren't a fun person, along with the alien insanity he believes in.