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Evangelism / Brian Moonan "Should Christians Vote?" Discussion
« on: November 02, 2020, 10:32:47 PM »
Here is a recorded video of our discussion about Brian Moonan's "Truthdealer Radio, Episode 31: Should Christians Vote?":
https://youtu.be/2PZrUVXF7I4

We may be going over this more in the coming days, so if we said something wrong, or you want us to add something to the coming videos, post here and let us know so we can consider it (we may even read your comment during the recording).

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Evangelism / YouTube Channel: Daily Exhortation - Hebrews 3:13
« on: November 02, 2020, 10:17:47 PM »
Some of us who are a part of CLE decided we should record some of our informal meetups and put them on YouTube so more people could benefit.  Although only those who are apart of CLE can join live, it's a separate channel from the website and Chris, so if you need to contact us or we say something wrong, don't write Chris, or use the contact page at creationliberty.com; instead, if you would like to contact us, go to "about" on our YouTube Channel (Daily Exhortation - Hebrews 3:13), and under "For business inquiries" you can email us, or you may be able to email an individual person through their forum account, if they have that enabled; here's a list of every forum member:
http://www.creationliberty.com/forum/index.php?action=mlist

Here is a link to the YouTube Channel:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCB4mbo_jJ8X4xnpGS0qYfyg

It's called "Daily Exhortation - Hebrews 3:13" because of the Bible verse:
"But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin."

As of the moment, our typical meetup consists of going over one of the older teachings on CLE for about an hour, and commenting as we go along.  I hope the channel can be helpful for those who aren't able to fellowship much, so they'll have the option to listen to other Christians talk for an hour.

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General Discussion / What is a Pharmaceutical?
« on: March 16, 2018, 05:05:28 AM »
What I'm struggling with:
For about 2 1/2 months I've researched M.E. and I'm certain that's why I'm ill.  There is an overwhelming amount of evidence; from the tests I've done on myself, the symptoms I have (some of which are only found in M.E.), and I fit the characteristics of M.E. spot on.  However, I am self-diagnosed.  And although I am 100% sure I have M.E., my father wants me to get official tests "just to be sure". 

If he wants me to do normal tests, then I will.
1 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.
2 Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise;)
3 That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.
-Ephesians 6


I've been visiting doctors recently, and they want to run tests.  But some of these tests may require you to take pharmaceuticals.  I have talked with my dad about avoiding all those tests and doctors, but I haven't convince him; he thinks pharmaceutics are ok, and he still would like me to get official tests done, "just to be sure".  But I will not do tests that require me to take pharmaceuticals, because it is not "in the Lord" to obey my dad when it goes against God's Word.



What I'm confused on:
I said the tests "may" require pharmaceutical because I'm not exactly sure what a pharmaceutical is.  I want to figure out the definition so I can avoid the pharmaceuticals, and stay in accordance with God's Word.  It's hard to avoid pharmaceuticals if I don't know what they are! :)

I don't know much about it, but I know that pharmakeia is the Greek word for witchcraft and sorcery, and pharmacy, pharmaceutical, etc. are referring to the same thing, which means taking pharmaceuticals are sorcery/sin.

Noah Webster's 1828 American Dictionary of the English Language
PHARMACEU'TICAL, adjective [Gr. to practice witchcraft or use medicine; poison or medicine.] Pertaining to the knowledge or art of pharmacy, or to the art of preparing medicines.
http://webstersdictionary1828.com/Dictionary/Pharmaceutic

But again, I don't even know what exactly a pharmaceutical is.  People make all sorts of claims on the internet, and I have not been able to find a true and definite answer on a definition.  For example, are these pharmaceuticals?
-Laetrile
-Synthetic vitamins
-Nicotine
-Radiation
-Anesthesia
-Tylenol
-Penicillin

It seems people are divided on all of these.  But if I had a proper definition, then I could more easily discern those.  I have been thinking that perhaps any medicine that's synthetic or altered is a pharmaceutical, and any medicine that's natural and unaltered is not a pharmaceutical (But I could totally be wrong on this; which is why I'm asking for clarification).



I'm I right?: (This is a little unrelated, but it comes up a lot)
I don't think it is ever acceptable to take pharmaceuticals/sorcery/sin, even in life or death situations. But some people argue against me, and here's how the conversation seems to go:

Them: "If the person's life depends on the pharmaceuticals are they suppose to refuse treatment and die?  (Like for car accidents, blood pressure, and organ transplants.)"

Me: "Is it better to die or commit sorcery?  Is it better to die or to sin?  What if you were told to worship an idol or die, would you bow down?  When Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego were threatened with death, they did not choose to sin.  And they were content whether they lived or died.
17 If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of thine hand, O king.
18 But if not, be it known unto thee, O king, that we will not serve thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up.
-Daniel 3
"


Side note: I don't think this verse applies,
3 And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.
Mark 4

Because Pharmaceuticals are dealing with sin.  And they are either sin or they are not, there are no exceptions, just like all other sins; for example, you can't lie to save your own life (or other's lives), so you can't take pharmaceuticals/sorcery either to save yours.  Perhaps I'm missing something?

Final thought: The Lord Jesus Christ has the keys to death (Rev 1:18), and if you choose to do what's right by God instead of sinning against Him, perhaps God will perform a miracle and keep you alive (like in Daniel 3), but if He doesn't, you should be content (again, like in Daniel 3).  Also, If you've been born-again (repented and believed on Jesus Christ), then it will be gain to die (whenever that may be).
21 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.
Philippians 1

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