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Title: COVID-19 VACCINE
Post by: creationliberty on June 28, 2021, 10:14:45 AM
I don't generally talk much about the vaccines because I have already done a detailed teaching series on it. I just want to make sure this is generally out there, in case someone comes to this forum and is reading and looking to find information because they do not understand the philosophy and truth behind vaccines.

This was an Ohio legislation meeting that was conducted recently about the Covid vaccine, and the speech is by Dr. Sherri Tenpenny. This will tell you all you need to know about the Covid jab:


If anyone wants to learn about the philosophy behind vaccines, and why they're dangerous, I have a full-length teaching on the subject:
The United Vacci-Nations (http://www.creationliberty.com/articles/vaccine.php)
Title: Re: COVID-19 VACCINE
Post by: Kenneth Winslow on June 30, 2021, 09:48:55 AM
This was an Ohio legislation meeting that was conducted recently about the Covid vaccine, and the speech is by Dr. Sherri Tenpenny.

It looks like Dr. Tenpenny's testimony has benefitted the people of Ohio!

Ohio Legislature Passes Bill to Ban COVID-19 Vaccine Mandates at Schools, Universities https://link.theepochtimes.com/mkt_app/ohio-legislature-passes-bill-to-ban-covid-19-vaccine-mandates-at-schools-universities_3880624.html
 
Title: Re: COVID-19 VACCINE
Post by: Rowan M. on July 06, 2021, 01:31:47 AM
I'm not quite sure which is the best thread to post this in (since there are three vaccine-related threads at the moment), but anyway, I hope this one will be OK. I found this article about the Pfizer vaccine on the NZ Herald site today:

Serious Side Effects Still Being Reported After Vaccinations (https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-serious-side-effects-still-being-reported-after-vaccinations/3DUJRWMQ3RR7YHDTJKA2XHZPHI/)
Title: Re: COVID-19 VACCINE
Post by: Kenneth Winslow on July 06, 2021, 03:02:40 AM
I found this article about the Pfizer vaccine on the NZ Herald site today:
I bet the CEO of Pfizer still wouldn't be persuaded by this article to get that shot. He seemed to be full of excuses, for himself.
https://youtu.be/LMAZJtOdYNI

I've posted this short video twice before, but if you haven't seen it yet I think you will appreciate it.
Title: Re: COVID-19 VACCINE
Post by: Rowan M. on July 11, 2021, 07:57:05 AM
That was a great video, Kenneth.

Some interesting news in New Zealand this weekend was that the Fijian rugby team, who played a match against our All Blacks last night and will play another one next Saturday, were told at short notice to wear a playing jersey that had the words "VACCINATE FIJI" on it. Right now Fiji is in the midst of a massive outbreak and the government there is making COVID vaccinations mandatory, I think. At any rate, they have a "no jab, no job" policy in place for people in the work force. They seem to be using the AstraZeneca vaccine. However, like a lot of Pacific Island nations, Fiji has a sizeable Christian population (although how many are actually born again is another matter). So there is a lot of resistance to the vaccine there, despite the large case numbers and growing death toll. It appears that the Fijian rugby team, nicknamed the "Flying Fijians", has a few players who are either hesitant about the COVID vaccine or outright opposed to it. They did not want to wear the "limited edition" playing jersey. So in the end, the entire team took the field with a "clean" jersey.

Appropriately enough, the main sponsor of the Flying Fijians is Fiji Airways, the national airline of Fiji. Apparently, Fiji Airways wanted the team to wear this "special" jersey and have expressed their "disappointment" that they didn't. They had relinquished their own spot on the jersey to make room for the vaccination message. No doubt it will be a hot topic of conversation in the Fiji camp as they prepare for next week's second rugby international against the All Blacks.

You can read an article about this here (https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/sport/rugby/fiji-airways-disappointed-rugby-not-promoting-vaccination-message).
Title: Re: COVID-19 VACCINE
Post by: Rowan M. on July 12, 2021, 04:49:58 AM
So, with a COVID outbreak in Sydney going from bad to worse at the moment, the Australian Federal Government has released an ad showing a young woman struggling to breathe, the idea being that she has COVID-19 and that if you don't want to end up like her, get your vaccine. The ad has attracted some controversy, and today I came across this most interesting opinion piece (https://www.smh.com.au/national/shock-tactic-covid-ad-isn-t-accurate-but-ads-aren-t-about-truth-they-re-about-motivation-20210712-p588w0.html) by Karen Ferry on the Sydney Morning Herald site. Ms Ferry is described as "a creative director and writer who has worked in Sydney’s advertising industry for 15 years". What is fascinating about this piece is her ready acknowledgement that the ad is, well, a tad economical with the truth, but she says that's OK because the most important thing is to motivate people. A particularly key paragraph in the article is this one:

"The ad has been fairly criticised because some executional elements are not factually accurate, but ultimately, persuasive advertising isn’t about showing the truth, it’s about being selective in the truth you show and dramatising that to get people to do what they wouldn’t before." (Emphasis mine)

One of the mainstream media's favourite slurs of vaccination opponents is that they are "peddlers of misinformation". There is this constant refrain that if an "anti-vaxxer" says it, then it can't be true. But it sounds to me like peddling misinformation is exactly what this ad is doing! "Some executional elements are not factually accurate". In other rather plainer words, they're lying. Ads that are misleading are not really about motivation, but manipulation.

Deliver my soul, O LORD, from lying lips, and from a deceitful tongue. (Psalm 120:2)
Title: Re: COVID-19 VACCINE
Post by: creationliberty on July 16, 2021, 11:00:24 AM
CDC whistleblowers say covid vaccines have already killed 50,000 Americans
https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-07-14-cdc-whistleblowers-covid-vaccines-killed-50000-americans.html

“As this, in a sense, bioterrorism phase one was rolled out, it was really all about keeping the population in fear and in isolation and preparing them to accept the vaccine, which appears to be phase two of a bioterrorism operation,” McCullough stated during a recent webinar with German attorney Reiner Fuellmich and several other doctors.

“Both the respiratory virus and the vaccine delivered to the human body the spike protein, the gain of function target of this bioterrorism research.”
Title: Re: COVID-19 VACCINE
Post by: creationliberty on July 17, 2021, 11:37:49 AM
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Title: Re: COVID-19 VACCINE
Post by: creationliberty on July 17, 2021, 02:10:40 PM
Here is someone who filmed a man who went into seizures after getting the vaccine, and everyone just sits there patiently watching him while waiting to get their shot. Only God can help the blind.

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/079/514/817/original/7c161755ad65e31f.mp4
Title: Re: COVID-19 VACCINE
Post by: creationliberty on July 17, 2021, 05:51:35 PM
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Title: Re: COVID-19 VACCINE
Post by: creationliberty on July 19, 2021, 09:54:37 PM
60% of People Being Admitted to Hospital with Covid-19 in England Have Been Fully Vaccinated
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/07/just-60-people-admitted-hospital-covid-19-england-fully-vaccinated-video/

60% of people being admitted to the hospital with Covid-19 in England are fully vaccinated, Sky News reported.

According to Sir Patrick Vallance, the government’s chief scientific advisor, Covid patients have received two doses of the Covid vaccine.

“In terms of the number of people in hospital who’ve been double-vaccinated, we know it’s around 60% of the people being admitted to hospital with COVID,” Vallance said.
Title: Re: COVID-19 VACCINE
Post by: anvilhauler on July 19, 2021, 11:44:57 PM
60% of People Being Admitted to Hospital with Covid-19 in England Have Been Fully Vaccinated

Hence it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see why the people are admitted to hospital.

And I suppose the other 40% of those admitted with Covid actually have medical issues such as a broken leg, or burns to the arm or an eye injury.
Title: Re: COVID-19 VACCINE
Post by: Rowan M. on July 20, 2021, 04:29:32 AM
It appears that Mr Vallance made a mistake, because there has subsequently been a correction issued. He meant to say that 60% of COVID patients admitted to hospital are UNvaccinated. However, that still leaves 40% who have been vaccinated, at least to some degree, and that in itself is still quite a significant figure.

One such story that mentions Mr Vallance's error is here (https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/uk-science-chief-sir-patrick-21093829).
Title: Re: COVID-19 VACCINE
Post by: creationliberty on July 20, 2021, 10:36:03 AM
Still massive because the theory behind the vaccine is that it is supposed to make you immune. And as I have pointed out in my teaching on the matter, it does no such thing.
Title: Re: COVID-19 VACCINE
Post by: theAXEisLAID on July 20, 2021, 12:50:52 PM
Still massive because the theory behind the vaccine is that it is supposed to make you immune. And as I have pointed out in my teaching on the matter, it does no such thing.

Israel knows this too as fully vaccinated tourists continue to be banned from entering.

COVID: Entrance of vaccinated to Israel postponed again amid outbreak

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/coronavirus-in-israel-430-new-cases-147-percent-of-tests-positive-674215 (https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/coronavirus-in-israel-430-new-cases-147-percent-of-tests-positive-674215)
Title: Re: COVID-19 VACCINE
Post by: Rowan M. on July 25, 2021, 03:19:16 AM
Well-known British TV personality Piers Morgan, who has been a staunch advocate of COVID-19 vaccinations and got two doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine, recently tested positive for the coronavirus. He said that it was the roughest he's ever felt (https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/entertainment/2021/07/piers-morgan-catches-covid-19-at-euro-finals-despite-being-vaccinated.html) with fever, chills and violent fits of sneezing and coughing. But isn't the vaccine supposed to make symptoms milder?  :-\

Not long ago, some of those Texas Democrats who flew to Washington, DC to thwart the passage of a bill on voting rights or something (I don't think their ploy worked) caught the virus despite being double-jabbed and passed it on to others. And there have been plenty of other cases of people who were vaccinated catching the virus. And now it seems that not only does a COVID jab not give you immunity, it might not make you that much less sick either. Although Morgan is only one case that I know of to have had a fairly severe version despite being vaccinated. Still, more and more often, these COVID vaccines are just looking like so much snake oil. Could it be that the Big Pharma emperor has no clothes?

I have also noticed one or two stories in the mainstream media lately about "anti-vaxxers" catching COVID-19 and dying of it. There's a real "we-told-you-so" tone in these stories. Almost as if they're rejoicing in it. But it's also a scare tactic. They're basically saying, "If you don't get the vaccine, you'll catch COVID and die!" But whether one is vaccinated or not, this virus has about a 97% survival rate. So for every "anti-vaxxer" who has died of the coronavirus, there are probably hundreds more who have come out the other end of it. But the MSM only wants to focus on the ones who died. A highly selective focus helps their narrative.

Title: Re: COVID-19 VACCINE
Post by: Rowan M. on July 28, 2021, 01:12:45 PM
I've just been watching this very interesting video (https://odysee.com/@drsambailey:c/Once-Upon-A-Time-in-Wuhan-Odysee-Exclusive-Comp:2). It's Dr Sam Bailey's latest offering, and contains plenty of interesting information and food for thought. She says more about COVID itself than the vaccine, but still makes one or two relevant points about the latter.

In other news, the final stage of the vaccine rollout has been announced for NZ. Our PM also got her second jab, so she's "fully protected" now.  ::) She described getting the vaccine as "an act of kindness", although she forgot to add that the kindness is really to Big Pharma's profits. Because as alluded to towards the end of the video, the pandemic is making some people an awful lot of money ...
Title: Re: COVID-19 VACCINE
Post by: Jeanne on July 29, 2021, 02:03:39 AM
I've just been watching this very interesting video (https://odysee.com/@drsambailey:c/Once-Upon-A-Time-in-Wuhan-Odysee-Exclusive-Comp:2). It's Dr Sam Bailey's latest offering, and contains plenty of interesting information and food for thought. She says more about COVID itself than the vaccine, but still makes one or two relevant points about the latter.

In other news, the final stage of the vaccine rollout has been announced for NZ. Our PM also got her second jab, so she's "fully protected" now.  ::) She described getting the vaccine as "an act of kindness", although she forgot to add that the kindness is really to Big Pharma's profits. Because as alluded to towards the end of the video, the pandemic is making some people an awful lot of money ...

I have to wonder if some of these politicians and celebrities getting the jab are really getting the the so-called 'vaccine' or just a placebo. If they're getting the real deal, I have to think they don't really know what's going on and we probably won't have to worry about them for much longer, anyway. I guarantee you that people like Bill Gates will have nothing to do with it, and I doubt Fauci got the real thing, either.
Title: Re: COVID-19 VACCINE
Post by: anvilhauler on July 29, 2021, 04:17:46 AM
I've just been watching this very interesting video (https://odysee.com/@drsambailey:c/Once-Upon-A-Time-in-Wuhan-Odysee-Exclusive-Comp:2). It's Dr Sam Bailey's latest offering, and contains plenty of interesting information and food for thought. She says more about COVID itself than the vaccine, but still makes one or two relevant points about the latter.

In other news, the final stage of the vaccine rollout has been announced for NZ. Our PM also got her second jab, so she's "fully protected" now.  ::) She described getting the vaccine as "an act of kindness", although she forgot to add that the kindness is really to Big Pharma's profits. Because as alluded to towards the end of the video, the pandemic is making some people an awful lot of money ...

I have to wonder if some of these politicians and celebrities getting the jab are really getting the the so-called 'vaccine' or just a placebo. If they're getting the real deal, I have to think they don't really know what's going on and we probably won't have to worry about them for much longer, anyway. I guarantee you that people like Bill Gates will have nothing to do with it, and I doubt Fauci got the real thing, either.

Yeah, she won't have got the death injection.  As for being "protected", maybe she hasn't been watching the rubbish media she is so much a part of and that rubbish media is claiming there is no protection from any so-called "vaccine" and that fully "vaccinated" people are still susceptible to the "virus".  (My source of news information on this is from the Gateway Pundit). I'm so disgusted looking at New Zealand news sites I only gloss over the news there in a very short time to see if anything major has happened in NZ).

If I had my way she would get a series of injections alright, but that would be lead injections from a firing squad.
Title: Re: COVID-19 VACCINE
Post by: Rowan M. on July 29, 2021, 11:19:12 AM
If I had my way she would get a series of injections alright, but that would be lead injections from a firing squad.

I wouldn't go that far. There is no doubt that Jacinda Ardern is an ungodly leader, and also no doubt that she will face a stern day of reckoning with God someday, but remember what Paul wrote about the need to pray for those in authority:

I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. (1 Timothy 2:1-4)

Remember that Paul wrote this at a time when very wicked Roman emperors were in charge. They were probably every bit as evil as some of today's leaders. Maybe even more so. Yet he didn't wish death on them or exhort Christians to rebel against them, but instead instructed that we should pray for them. We should do this so that we can live our lives freely as the Lord wants us to, but also because perhaps they might get saved. God would far rather that people get saved than that they die in their sins. A couple of other Scriptures about that:

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. (2 Peter 3:9)

Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel? (Ezekiel 33:11)

I realise that the chances of Jacinda Ardern getting saved are pretty remote, but you never know what God might do in her heart if enough Christians pray for her. Remember that her soul is at stake in the ongoing spiritual war between God's kingdom and Satan's. And her soul is as precious to God as anyone else's. She was brought up as a Mormon. The Mormons happen to use the KJV, although they rank it a distant fourth in their estimation behind their other three main "holy books". So perhaps there was one in her house when she was growing up. Maybe, just maybe she occasionally glanced at it or heard it read. Perhaps some seeds were planted in her heart that God could yet use if ever any "good soil" were found there.

It doesn't matter how you or I might personally feel about her. We should still pray for her. She is an enemy of Christ, for sure, and as such, an enemy of ours, but we should love our enemies, and that includes praying for them. Now if she doesn't repent and her heart becomes even harder the way the Pharoah's did in the early chapters of Exodus, then in due time, God will deal with her. However, as long as she leads our nation, we should continue to pray for her. But of course, that doesn't mean we can't feel grieved at wicked things she says or does.

I do however agree with the rest of your post, and also with Jeanne's speculation that the politicians and celebrities who make a big show of getting their jab are probably getting a placebo. I don't think there's any way to tell, either, so it is a deception they could pull off very easily.
Title: Re: COVID-19 VACCINE
Post by: anvilhauler on July 29, 2021, 05:59:17 PM
I'm not sure if you have read Chris' article/book on vaccines because he has put a lot of work in to it and made a very good job of it.  There is absolutely nothing to be gained from any "vaccine" but there is lots to lose.  When one looks down in to the real science and the factual information it is easily found that the whole "vaccine" scenario is a scam.

I have absolutely no problem praying for the members of our Government, but there does come a time when for certain crimes it is quite suitable for someone to be sentenced to death.  Being sentenced to death could well be the very best thing that has ever happened to them because it might give the opportunity for them to be given the true gospel and for them to come to repentence rather than living out the rest of their lives without the fear of what they are going to face when judged.  The last thing you want to see is just another tomb stone with "Rest In Peace" written on it.  According to the world no-one goes to Hell  ...  well apart from corrupt politicians that have caused the deaths of thousands of people that is.

Keeping all of the criminals alive but forced to work in public view on a chain gang might also be a good option.  Young people would gain an understanding of how society works and they would see the end result of trendy lefty ideas.  Way better than the "Social Studies" they teach in the schools.  The communist tyrants on the chain gang would get a first hand view of their ideas in action and what they considered was acceptable for others has come to visit them. 

Proverbs 11 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
1 A false balance is abomination to the Lord:
    but a just weight is his delight.

2 When pride cometh, then cometh shame:
    but with the lowly is wisdom.

3 The integrity of the upright shall guide them:
    but the perverseness of transgressors shall destroy them.

4 Riches profit not in the day of wrath:
    but righteousness delivereth from death.

5 The righteousness of the perfect shall direct his way:
    but the wicked shall fall by his own wickedness.

6 The righteousness of the upright shall deliver them:
    but transgressors shall be taken in their own naughtiness.

7 When a wicked man dieth, his expectation shall perish:
    and the hope of unjust men perisheth.

8 The righteous is delivered out of trouble,
    and the wicked cometh in his stead.

9 An hypocrite with his mouth destroyeth his neighbour:
    but through knowledge shall the just be delivered.

10 When it goeth well with the righteous, the city rejoiceth:
    and when the wicked perish, there is shouting.

Title: Re: COVID-19 VACCINE
Post by: Jeanne on August 09, 2021, 09:23:05 AM
This doctor explains exactly what the jabs are doing to the body and how they are causing blood clots: (The intro is in Italian, but the rest of it is in English with Italian subtitles.)

https://rumble.com/vktn3y-quale-leffetto-dei-vaccini-sillorganismo.html (https://rumble.com/vktn3y-quale-leffetto-dei-vaccini-sillorganismo.html)
Title: Re: COVID-19 VACCINE
Post by: Rowan M. on August 09, 2021, 09:56:44 AM
This doctor explains exactly what the jabs are doing to the body and how they are causing blood clots: (The intro is in Italian, but the rest of it is in English with Italian subtitles.)

https://rumble.com/vktn3y-quale-leffetto-dei-vaccini-sillorganismo.html (https://rumble.com/vktn3y-quale-leffetto-dei-vaccini-sillorganismo.html)

Wow, that is scary stuff, especially with my dad having had the vaccine a few days ago. However, he already takes blood thinners because he got a blood clot or two in his leg several years ago. Whether they counteract any clotting caused by the vaccine, I don't know, but I can only hope.

In New Zealand, the Pfizer vaccine is about to become available for people aged 50+. I'm in the next age bracket down, so it will probably be available to me to take before the month is out. Oh joy.  ::)
Title: Re: COVID-19 VACCINE
Post by: anvilhauler on August 09, 2021, 06:28:06 PM
In New Zealand, the Pfizer vaccine is about to become available for people aged 50+. I'm in the next age bracket down, so it will probably be available to me to take before the month is out. Oh joy.  ::)

I wouldn't even worry about any age bracket you're in and that the death injection has become available for your age group for those who wanted to kill themselves.  I'm very close to turning 60 but I have absolutely no idea about the roll-out of their homocidal plans for people my age. As I don't ever hear or see or read the main stream media apart from reading some of the local news or having a skim over anything else major that has happened. 

As much as you can it pays to fly under the radar. 

It makes me think of the older days when there use to be advertisements like : 80% of doctors recommend {insert brand name of cigarettes here}.  And people smoked cigarettes because they saw advertisements without stopping to think about the damage that that smoke would be causing to their respiratory system.  Must be OK, it has a doctor's approval.  The shop owners were just as guilty for selling the cigarettes.  Just the same as those giving the death injections.
Title: Re: COVID-19 VACCINE
Post by: anvilhauler on August 09, 2021, 06:54:13 PM
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Title: Re: COVID-19 VACCINE
Post by: Jeanne on August 10, 2021, 05:36:07 PM
This doctor explains exactly what the jabs are doing to the body and how they are causing blood clots: (The intro is in Italian, but the rest of it is in English with Italian subtitles.)

https://rumble.com/vktn3y-quale-leffetto-dei-vaccini-sillorganismo.html (https://rumble.com/vktn3y-quale-leffetto-dei-vaccini-sillorganismo.html)

I didn't recognise the doctor in this video when I first saw it, but I have since learned that this is Dr Michael Yeadon, the former VP of research for Pfizer.
Title: Re: COVID-19 VACCINE
Post by: Rowan M. on August 13, 2021, 05:53:06 AM
I just saw someone on Facebook post that he'd got Bell's Palsy almost immediately after getting his second dose of the vaccine (either Pfizer or Moderna, I'm not quite clear on which one he had). One side of his face completely froze up! He said that he now has serious fatigue and occasional confusion, although his face is a bit better. He's quite certain the vaccine was to blame, even though he's not opposed to it (because after all, he got his jabs). The serious fatigue resembles a common symptom of so-called "Long COVID". (He didn't say that, I just thought it was kind of interesting.)

Also, a lady on Twitter reckons that eleven of her friends have all had menstrual issues after having their two jabs of the AstraZeneca vaccine, and she herself had recently gone through early menopause after having them. I think I've mentioned her before, but it was eight friends last time, and the number has now increased to eleven.

Meanwhile, the media keep hammering the point that nearly all serious cases of COVID are among people who are not vaccinated. They ignore the 97-98% of people (both vaccinated and unvaccinated) who survive and just concentrate on the dying. They also keep putting out stories of "anti-vaxxers" who get seriously ill or die after refusing the jab. It's becoming quite a common theme with them these days. The thing is though, there are many more "anti-vaxxers" catching the virus and surviving it! But in order to create a certain narrative, the media just concentrates all their attention on a select few.
Title: Re: COVID-19 VACCINE
Post by: anvilhauler on August 13, 2021, 06:12:23 AM
You read the main stream media?  :o

Wow, I wouldn't even look at that garbage  ::)

The media don't have any conscience about telling lies in order to take part in murdering others.  Same goes for the actor.

Hospitalised “Covid” patient who’d regretted not having the jab on BBC News is an Actor
By Daily Expose on August 11, 2021   
https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/08/11/hospitalised-covid-patient-whod-regretted-not-having-the-jab-on-bbc-news-is-an-actor/
Title: Re: COVID-19 VACCINE
Post by: Rowan M. on August 13, 2021, 07:33:18 AM
You read the main stream media?  :o

Wow, I wouldn't even look at that garbage  ::)

I look at a lot of different media, including mainstream. I do however find the MSM increasingly vexatious. (A couple of nights ago, TVNZ 1 started their 6pm news bulletin with about ten minutes straight of climate change propaganda, which I heard very little of because I was too busy laughing or groaning at it.) But I also have a reasonable ability to think critically and analyse what I read or hear, so I find it sort of interesting to see the ways in which they're spinning their narratives. They use a lot of the same techniques false teachers do, really. However, the conservative media is full of lost people too, and although there is more truth there than the MSM, they too sometimes promote false narratives (for instance, they have pushed vaccines just about as much, with a few exceptions like Candace Owens, and they were also pushing the UFO stuff even harder than the liberal media a few months ago).

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The media don't have any conscience about telling lies in order to take part in murdering others.  Same goes for the actor.

Hospitalised “Covid” patient who’d regretted not having the jab on BBC News is an Actor
By Daily Expose on August 11, 2021   
https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/08/11/hospitalised-covid-patient-whod-regretted-not-having-the-jab-on-bbc-news-is-an-actor/

That was a really interesting watch. I especially like what that guy said about MSM propaganda, because it is something I have noticed for a long time. The media don't always tell outright lies. They're a bit more cunning than that. They will sometimes report things that are true and verifiable. But as that fellow said, it's still propaganda because of what they DON'T report. This is a key component of how they create their narratives. Take racism for example. A white person may assault a black person, and this might be a true event. The media report it accordingly. But then a black person assaults a white person, and it's crickets from the media, even though that is just as true. Both are hate crimes, but the media only cares about the one that will "prove" their narrative. Likewise with the feminist narrative, the media may well report genuinely evil acts by some male abuser or predator towards women, but if a woman does something similar to men, they ignore it or downplay it. What they report may well be true, but what they DON'T report is just as true. However, they omit it because it doesn't fit the narrative they want to create. We see the same now with the vaccine narrative. Someone who was unvaccinated gets sick, maybe dies, the media are all over it. Someone who gets their jabs and has serious side effects will be ignored by the media. Or if they do report it, they say something like "there is no clear evidence that the vaccine is causing this". Also, by concentrating on the 2% seriously ill and dying, they make it look like some great global catastrophe is going on. If they talked about the 98% who survive and carry on, their narratives would fall apart, so they ignore that. Amazing the kinds of impressions that can be created with carefully selected stories.
Title: Re: COVID-19 VACCINE
Post by: Jeanne on August 13, 2021, 05:36:16 PM
Okay, Rowan, what you said is great, except for the part about 'hate crimes'. There's no such thing as a 'hate crime'. If someone commits an act of violence against someone else, it's a crime, full stop. Motivation is irrelevant. The whole idea of 'hate crimes' is a very slippery slope because it has been used against those who preach the law and the gospel to anyone who disagrees with it, especially in the LGBTQ crowd.
Title: Re: COVID-19 VACCINE
Post by: Rowan M. on August 14, 2021, 12:22:24 AM
Okay, Rowan, what you said is great, except for the part about 'hate crimes'. There's no such thing as a 'hate crime'. If someone commits an act of violence against someone else, it's a crime, full stop. Motivation is irrelevant. The whole idea of 'hate crimes' is a very slippery slope because it has been used against those who preach the law and the gospel to anyone who disagrees with it, especially in the LGBTQ crowd.

Very fair point. Although it could be said that any murder is a "hate crime", because the Bible closely associates hatred and murder. When I think of the phrase "hate crime", I tend to consider it as an act of assault or murder motivated by hatred of someone's skin colour or nationality. However, the words "hate" and "hate crime" have certainly been used and abused by the MSM, and I do agree that the concept of "hate crime" is a slippery slope, so let me see if I can word that specific part of my post in a somewhat better way:

A white person may assault a black person, and this might be a true event. The mainstream media report it accordingly, and describe it as a "hate crime". But if a black person assaults a white person in the same town on the same day, it's crickets from the MSM, even though that is just as true. Or if they do report it, they don't call it a "hate crime", even though it may have been carried out for exactly the same motive (let's assume hatred based on skin colour, which is what racism actually is). Both are equally evil acts, but the MSM only care about the one that will "prove" their narrative. So they might spend hours or even days reporting on the first case, and devote a few minutes at most to the second. The conservative media will probably give a bit more time to the second case though.

I hope that works better. I'm still using the phrase "hate crime" in this rewrite, but talking about how the mainstream media define it as opposed to using it directly myself, which was a bit sloppy on my part, actually. Their definition of the phrase certainly differs from my own, but I should probably restrict it or eliminate it altogether from my personal vocabulary. The main thing I'm trying to get at is their double standards. They'll call one thing a "hate crime", but refuse to label the other the same way, even though they should if they wanted to be consistent.

Speaking of the mainstream media, and getting back on the topic of this thread, I came across this interesting article (https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-58146525) on the BBC News site. (Just a warning to those who might read it: one of the photos in the story contains some female immodesty, although it's somewhat blurry. The rest of the article is fine. But if you don't want to be exposed to that one picture, avoid clicking the link.) What's intriguing about this item is how some people opposed to the COVID vaccines are forming their own communities and supporting each other. Telegram gets a mention (and not in a positive way, which is hardly surprising given the source of this article). There will likely come a day when Christians will have to do something similar. Of course, being an MSM article, there is naturally a lot of negativity about "anti-vaxxers", but it's more the idea of people creating their own separate communities and networks to work around discrimination against them that intrigued me.
Title: Re: COVID-19 VACCINE
Post by: Jeanne on August 16, 2021, 01:38:34 AM
Here's another doctor (actually, a pathologist) explaining what these jabs do to the brain, heart, and other organs:

https://rumble.com/vkopys-a-pathologist-summary-of-what-these-jabs-do-to-the-brain-and-other-organs.html (https://rumble.com/vkopys-a-pathologist-summary-of-what-these-jabs-do-to-the-brain-and-other-organs.html)
Title: Re: COVID-19 VACCINE
Post by: anvilhauler on August 17, 2021, 08:58:55 PM
Here's another doctor (actually, a pathologist) explaining what these jabs do to the brain, heart, and other organs:

https://rumble.com/vkopys-a-pathologist-summary-of-what-these-jabs-do-to-the-brain-and-other-organs.html (https://rumble.com/vkopys-a-pathologist-summary-of-what-these-jabs-do-to-the-brain-and-other-organs.html)

I hope you and your husband are safe at this time Jeanne.  I'm fully aware of the tyranny that is being unleashed on Australia and especially Melbourne at this time.

I wrote to the Police here again yesterday and basically was given the cancel culture and was told to take the "vaccine" which now identifies that police officer as a criminal under the Nuremburg Code for telling someone they should take part in a medical experiment.  It is especially worse when it is a person in "authority" telling a person they should take part in a medical experiment.

May God put His hedge of protection around all of us His servants at this time and keep us safe.
Title: Re: COVID-19 VACCINE
Post by: creationliberty on August 20, 2021, 12:27:29 PM
Shocking New Study Reveals Covid ‘Vaccines’ Do Permanent Damage to 62% of Recipients
https://uncanceled.news/shocking-new-study-reveals-covid-vaccines-do-permanent-damage-to-62-of-recipients/
Title: Re: COVID-19 VACCINE
Post by: Rowan M. on August 20, 2021, 12:58:28 PM
Wow to that last story.  :o

One brave NZ doctor tried to tell his patients that he doesn't support the COVID vaccines, and got a stern telling-off by the NZ Medical Council:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/126132158/wellington-doctors-antivaccination-text-message-to-patients-being-taken-very-seriously-by-medical-council
Title: Re: COVID-19 VACCINE
Post by: creationliberty on August 26, 2021, 10:10:49 AM
BBC presenter Lisa Shaw, 44, died due to incredibly rare blood clot complications caused by AstraZeneca covid vaccine three weeks after she had first jab, coroner rules
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9928939/BBC-presenter-Lisa-Shaw-died-complications-caused-AstraZeneca-covid-jab-coroner-rules.html

Correction: It's not rare.
Title: Re: COVID-19 VACCINE
Post by: creationliberty on August 26, 2021, 10:40:20 AM
Spain's Supreme Court Rules Against Using Vaccine Passports To Restrict Access To Public Spaces
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/spains-supreme-court-rules-against-using-vaccine-passports-restrict-access-public

 8)

Spain’s Supreme Court made waves last week by becoming the first judicial authority in Europe to rule against the use of covid passports to restrict access to public spaces — specifically hospitality businesses (bars, restaurants and nightclubs). It is not the first Spanish court to come out against vaccine passports but it is the most important. So far, only five of Spain’s 17 autonomous regions – the Canary Islands, Ceuta and Melilla, Andalusia, Cantabria and Galicia – have proposed using vaccine passports to restrict access to public spaces. And all have been rejected by local judges.
Title: Re: COVID-19 VACCINE
Post by: Rowan M. on August 26, 2021, 12:16:24 PM
This lady hits a lot of nails on the head:

Global Tyranny: I've Had Enough (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKo7ppq-RK0&ab_channel=BrittanySellner)

I've watched one or two videos by her before. I don't think she's a Christian, but she talks a lot of sense (she has some excellent material against feminism in particular).

Essentially, people are accepting this tyranny (including things like vaccine passports) because they want peace and safety. They value their own personal comfort over freedom, essentially. And we know what the Bible has to say about people with that sort of mentality:

For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. (1 Thessalonians 5:3)

When they eventually accept the Antichrist, it will be for the sake of peace and safety too.

PS: Just came across this vaccine-related story on the BBC site:

Japan suspends 1.6 million Moderna doses over contamination fears (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-58338281)
Title: Re: COVID-19 VACCINE
Post by: Rowan M. on August 26, 2021, 12:27:08 PM
BBC presenter Lisa Shaw, 44, died due to incredibly rare blood clot complications caused by AstraZeneca covid vaccine three weeks after she had first jab, coroner rules
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9928939/BBC-presenter-Lisa-Shaw-died-complications-caused-AstraZeneca-covid-jab-coroner-rules.html

Correction: It's not rare.

The BBC have also written up their own report, which you can read here (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tyne-58330796).

I was rather amused to come across this paragraph in the BBC story about her:

"Dr Christopher Johnson, a consultant in anaesthetics and intensive care at the RVI, said Ms Shaw had been conscious for several days and had been treated for the clots with drugs which seemed to be successful."

Is this really why you're needing some time off?  8)
Title: Re: COVID-19 VACCINE
Post by: Rowan M. on October 23, 2021, 07:37:59 AM
This is a very interesting watch:

https://rumble.com/vo0w3a-counterspin-37-jabathon-maxout-injuries-mount-sue-grey-battles-government-p.html

It's 1 hour 23 minutes long, so set aside a little bit of time if you want to check it out. There's a brief instance of strong language during footage of a protest in front of the NZ Parliament when the new Governor-General was being sworn in. The video is made by Counterspin, a conservative/alternative media outlet in New Zealand. It includes five or six different items.
Title: Re: COVID-19 VACCINE
Post by: someguy85 on November 05, 2022, 02:49:13 PM
I think it's quite telling that towards the end of 2022, (in Australia at least), the push to get that cursed needle have dropped off to next to nothing. QR tracing has been abolished in almost every store I've seen, nowhere near as many job adverts saying "jab mandatory", mask mandates lifted in many places including domestic air travel, and apparently certain types are asking for "covid amnesty" or some such thing, over their treatment and mandates imposed over the last two years, and of course it's all been going this way since the "Russia/Ukraine" incident (I don't believe anything about the official story there because all most main media sources ever stated was "Russia bad!").

If the push in media has suddenly become unimportant, then it's not hard to see that it was all a ruse to begin with, the jab does nothing (except harm,) and the people who were left to die either from suicide or push into poverty thanks to the lockdowns died for nothing and too many would have died without Christ. :(

Interesting thing you might already know Rowan, but Jacinda Ardern appears with Justin Trudeau on the "promising young new comers" (or a page to that effect) listed for promotion on the World Economic Forum.

Greetings from across the Tasman Sea by the way :)
Title: Re: COVID-19 VACCINE
Post by: Rowan M. on November 08, 2022, 05:16:28 AM
Trans-Tasman greetings to you as well, Chris. :)

Pretty well all restrictions in NZ have now been lifted. We're more or less back to pre-COVID life, although face masks are still required in pharmacies I think. But there are otherwise no more mandates. However, the MSM here continues to quite viciously attack our freedom movements (who oppose vaccine mandates and other draconian restrictions or laws). They keep spinning a narrative of far-right extremists with an agenda of racism and misogyny. The whole thing is patently ridiculous. Many leading figures in our freedom movements here are either Maoris, women or both. Two recent documentaries amounted to little more than vindictive propaganda. One was called Web of Chaos, which was recently broadcast on one of the TVNZ channels (probably TVNZ 1), while the other was called Fire and Fury, which was produced by media outlet Stuff. On Web of Chaos, they described women into home baking, knitting and braiding their daughters' hair as being susceptible to far-right extremism! (Well, they were specifically saying that far-right groups use these sorts of things to lure unsuspecting women to their cause, but the problem is that it taints all women into these things with the same brush. It also looked very suspiciously like an attack on traditional femininity, except that yoga was mentioned as a potential danger sign, and actually the freedom movement is quite popular with New Agers.) And of course, people "identifying as Christians" were also deemed Very Dangerous. I didn't watch either of these, but I've seen clips and read a reasonable amount about them. One of our more prominent groups is called Voices for Freedom, and it came under particularly heavy fire in the Fire and Fury documentary. However, interest in VFF spiked 400% after the doco first aired! So it ended up being pretty good free publicity for them!  :D

I have heard about Jacinda Ardern being closely allied with the WEF, along with Justin Trudeau. They have been two of the more oppressive leaders during the pandemic. I believe the new British PM Rishi Sunak is another WEF man. Incidentally, the Labour Party here has just been having its annual conference, and the Deputy PM Grant Robertson had the nerve to call Jacinda "Dr Ardern, Medicine Woman" because of the supposedly great job she did.  :o
Title: Re: COVID-19 VACCINE
Post by: someguy85 on November 12, 2022, 11:10:54 AM
We're living in the age of buzz words aren't we. Even if anyone did think that Arden was really deserving of that term it wouldn't make any sense because as far as I know she had absolutely zero to do with developing that poison anyway, if she did, she wouldn't stop virtue signaling about it. Schwab though will hopefully get a reminder that he and his buddies are not in absolute control if we aren't all "Owning nothing and being happy about it" by 2030.

I guess the best thing to do would be to pray that these people have the blinders taken off, their empathy cranked up to 11 and see first hand the damage that they caused from all of this. My brother lived in Victoria during the whole thing and it took a heavy toll on his sanity, at one point I got worried that I'd never see him again, but then again, if the reports of the people are the top of everything are true, they don't see us as being human, they think they're "living gods" on earth and see the gen pop as nothing but insects. They'll get a reminder that we are one day, hopefully not too late to be saved, I mean I know God doesn't differentiate between "quality" (so to speak) of sin, and I'm already dreading having to give an account for some of the things I've done, but to stand before him with that much blood and pain on your hands...I can't even fathom that.

What I still get headaches trying to figure out though, is that no one is calling anyone to account for the broken promises..."2 weeks to flatten the curve" turned to 2 years in places, "Vaccination is your choice" (PM Scott Morrison) turned into "you don't have to take it but you can't do anything without it"...accounts of otherwise young and healthy people suddenly collapsing and dying like someone just threw their breaker switch isn't being questioned, a vaccine that changed effectiveness (according to the MSM) virtually weekly to the point where apparently you had to take it to protect other people, was never second guessed by most...and people are still saying this is real, the politicians handled it well and there are still so many who stick almost militantly to the "rules".

Also strange thing I saw, most of the PCR testing sites looked like mobile medical tents on a war field (I noticed a lot of them have closed up now) but there are SPECIALTY c19 vaccine clinics that were opened in a lot of retail and office spaces and as far as I can see, they're still active. Someone shelled out a lot of cash for this, and if I could speculate for  a bit, I keep hearing that someone wants to send the west into 3rd world anarchic status, and I guess one way to do that would be to get the countries into such crippling debt that either countries declare bankruptcy or another country invests in them...and the worrying part is the two potentially biggest governments that could invest in other countries would be either The Vatican City State (even back in the 70s one author, Avro Manhattan said that their wealth was so formidable that it defied any rational assessment,) or China...which the more and more I think about it, does share some symbolic similarities with The Great Red Dragon spoken of in Revelation...although that's just a hunch at best.