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Bible Discussion / Jehovah or Yahweh? The KJV is on the line.

« on: June 30, 2023, 04:07:23 PM »

There is some controversy whether YHWH is best represented by JEHOVAH or Yahweh.

I don't know what CLE believes, but I want to know what you guys think of this reasoning (that I found online) that leads to the conclusion that JEHOVAH is the correct representation of YHWH.

Revelation 16:5 in the KJV reads "Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be". Revelation 16:5 in any modern version reads "You are just in these judgments, O Holy One, you who are and who were".

Notice that "shalt be" is replaced by "holy one". This is because there is no manuscript that reads like the KJV. None.  Theodore Beza, one of the editors of the Textus Receptus, believed that all the Greek manuscripts were incorrect on this, and he himself added "shalt be" to the text.

And here is the interesting part: what Beza did only makes sense if God's name is JEHOVAH!  The root word of JEHOVAH is the Hebrew word HAVA, which means shall be. Remember what Beza added in Revelation 16:5? Shall be- the same root word. Beza correctly reasoned that it was odd that Revelation 16:5 did not include "shall be".

John probably originally wrote "shalt be" in the nomen sacrum form: ΟЄC. These three letters are the "compact form" of shalt be. But guess what happens when you take out the middle horizontal line of the middle letter? It becomes the "compact form" of holy one.

But this theory would only make sense if God's name is JEHOVAH. Even KJV only critics like James White agree that if what I just said is correct, the KJV is correct and the modern versions are wrong.

Also wanted to add that the name Yahweh is evil, and it does not belong in the Bible.

What do you guys think?

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Bible Discussion / Discussing Churchianity Positions

« on: June 28, 2023, 04:23:38 PM »

Hello everyone,

I was watching Chris's teaching on denominations (part 1), and I noticed he mentioned that positions like church administrator and church secretary have no foundation in scripture and are anti-biblical.

I had never thought about this before, and it's pretty interesting. I know of many preachers who rebuke false churches for having positions such as archbishops, or having dioceses or whatnot, but they have different positions in their church which are unbiblical.

What I wanted to ask, though, is how can I go about talking to, say, a church secretary or administrator, and convince them that their position is anti-biblical. They would probably tell me that archbishops exercise spiritual dominance over others, but that they themselves do not exercise spiritual dominance and only manage church events, finances, etc… How should I go about with these responses? What would you guys say?

I also wanted to add that when Chris mentioned that denominational/pastor conferences are unbiblical (and I agree that they are), how can I convince one who attends these that they are unbiblical?

Thanks

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General Discussion / Someone has accused Chris

« on: June 19, 2023, 07:17:27 PM »

Note to Chris: I wouldn't mind if you deleted this post, as I'm not seeking to defame you, but this accusation video was used by a friend to label you as a false teacher, and I feel that it must be addressed as it is the first video that comes up when one searches up your full name.

Hello everyone,

I was sharing one of Chris's video teaching with a friend, and he replied that it has been documented that Chris is a false teacher, and told me about a video.

Apparently, if you search up Christopher J.E. Johnson on youtube, this video, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7G_H8TtEcE, shows up as the very first result on youtube. I don't know if this video has been addressed before, but it apparently attempts to expose Chris by stating that he makes the same hand symbols (with satanic connotations) that the men he exposes make.

It's probably made by an enemy who you've been acquainted with because he knows a lot about you and has scoured a majority of your videos.

I find this odd for a couple of reasons.

1) This channel accuses Chris of using a Jehovah's Witness painting of Eve and the snake for his Feminism teaching and somehow using this as proof that he is a false teacher. This is odd because Chris's article on Jehovah's Witnesses is one of the best on the internet, and he thoroughly debunks them.

2) Chris's doctrine contains, as far as I've checked, no inconsistencies with the Bible. In fact, it goes against most of what false teachers spew out. They aren't some conjectures or ecumenical statements.

That's why I don't agree with this video that Chris is a false teacher, but it is the first video that comes up when one searches for Chris's full name, and it did draw away a potential viewer of one of Chris's videos.

If you ever get a chance, Chris, I would appreciate it if you would address the claims made in this video (namely that you make the same hand symbols (with satanic connotations) that the men you expose make).

This is probably the only video that seeks to expose you, and I believe it would be beneficial to address it.

Here is the link to the video once again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7G_H8TtEcE

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General Discussion / May I return?

« on: June 01, 2023, 12:31:17 PM »

Hello everyone,

I know I have been rightfully ignored, but may I please join this forum again? I have repented of my sins, and I believe this quote from the Bible, Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new., displays that I will be able to become a new person in Christ. Can anyone please give me a response on whether or not I can participate in this forum normally again? I would greatly appreciate it if I would get a response!

Thank you.

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Introduce Yourself / New Introduction

« on: May 06, 2023, 07:00:32 PM »

Hello everyone, my name is Daniel, and as all of you know, my responses and posts did not reflect the nature of one who repented in Jesus Christ, and I deceived, lied, and caused contention amongst you Christians.

I know I've been ignored when I've redundantly apologized due to the lack of weight my apologies carry (i.e. they didn't mean anything as I kept repeating my excuses), and I repent for all of the lies, deception, and contention I've caused on the forum. I repent for all I have done, and for lying to you guys and to Jesus Christ, and I assure you that my repenting is not one akin to Hebrews 12:15-17. I know my words have no weight due to my past lies, but I will hope to demonstrate it by doing works meet for repentance (Acts 26:20). I have repented in Jesus Christ after looking back at my deception and sin two months ago.

My beliefs are the same ones I proclaimed in my original posts, although I know that the crafty tongue (i.e. proclaiming my beliefs without keeping the commandments) I displayed only exposed myself as a false convert. I did not follow Jesus's words of If ye love me, keep my commandments.

I don't really know what my original intent was for joining this forum, but I will proclaim my new and true intent: to fellowship with Christians and to utilize the forum not for my own sinful "profit"/wisdom, but for a greater clarification of biblical doctrines when needed.

I've researched the Bible/biblical doctrines multiple times, and no matter where I go online, CLE always has done the most research and includes the most biblically accurate material.

I don't know if I am shadow banned, blocked, or anything like that on this forum, but I hope you guys will see this new introduction and take it into consideration.

Thank you very much

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General Discussion / Apology

« on: March 01, 2023, 01:08:39 PM »

Hello everyone,

I was reading through Chris's Frederick Boyd testimony and noticed that Boyd made baseless claims, lied, and steered away from scripture while claiming to be a Christian. Boyd's actions reminded me of my own actions on the forum, such as making baseless claims, misrepresenting others in the forum, lying, and steering away from scripture. I now fully understand the precaution all of you took on this forum following my responses. Although I found Boyd's actions deceptive and cruel, I realized that my own responses on this forum were likewise deceptive and cruel. I understand that I'm not displaying Christian behavior, and I now believe that I did not gain repentance in January because my conversion was false, despite what I believed. Finally, similar to how Boyd ran "a King James Bible believing, independant, fundamental, non-501c3, baptist church", my proclaimed beliefs are biblical but are contrary to my actions. I'm saying this because my actions, both on this forum and elsewhere, do not reflect the actions and life of one who has gained true repentance. I tried to justify my actions, but I know that I was trying to justify my sin. Having said this, I know that I am a hypocrite. I'm going to pray and repent right now and will strive to change my ways and permanently be of Jesus Christ.

Thanks

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Bible Discussion / Easter in the KJV

« on: February 27, 2023, 04:26:02 PM »

Note: Please consider these points, and let me know what you think. What I just posted may be based on faulty reasoning and/or lies, and if that is the case, please correct me. I apologize if any of my points, or those of KJV Today, are based on lies.

Hello Chris,

I was reading your article "Why I Use the King James Bible", and while I wholeheartedly agree with your article, and believe that the KJV is God's complete and inerrant word, I believe that you may have given a faulty justification on why the word "Easter" is used in Acts 12:4.

It's true that "Easter" is the correct translation in Acts 12:4, but I believe that the justification you gave is incorrect. It's also true that the Easter holiday is connected to pagan practices, but it is the etymology of the word that matters, not what is associated with the word.

You said "however, there was a celebration going on at the same time that was a big pagan party in the Roman Empire, and that was the Easter celebration, celebrating the moon goddess giving rebirth to the sun god" and that "Easter" is a "celebration of the pagans in the Roman Empire".

I found a refutation to this claim online. I'll present the refutations of the general claim of the Easter of Acts 12:4 relating to a pagan holiday in numbered form (along with my takes on them) in numbered form. Keep in mind that this is a general refutation, and you have not claimed most of what I refuted. Also keep in mind that I'm defending the use of Easter as pertaining to the resurrection through etymology, and not the current holiday/practices.

1) I don't know if you were hinting at this, but just in case, the word Easter (pointing to East; i.e. the direction of sunrise) has nothing to do with “Ishtar” or “Astarte” as both have to do with flocks or animal fertility.

2) Easter connects to dawn/morning, and the Bible connects the morning/dawn to Christ's resurrection (Mark 16:2, Matthew 28:1) and the light of his nature (Revelation 22:16, 2 Peter 1:19, Isaiah 60:1-3). The Bible does "visualize" God to the light of the Sun (and similar concepts). "So there is a connection between the eastern direction and the verb “to rise” even in the language of the New Testament.  The writers of the New Testament did not avoid using the verb “ανατελλω” (to rise) despite its derivation from the Greek word for “east”."

3) No need for guilt by association; pagan celebrations are connected to Easter (bunnies, eggs, etc...), but the name Easter itself is not pagan. On the contrary, as Isaiah 60:1-3 hints of "the brightness of thy rising" (Jesus), so rightfully Easter (dawn/sunrise) connects to Jesus's resurrection, along with his description of "the dayspring from on high", "the bright and morning star", "the day star arise", etc... Just as the word "Septuagint" means "seventy" as in the supposed seventy translators that worked on it, similarly the word Easter, with the east pointing to the direction of the sunrise, it's the definition, which in turn is a Biblical description of Jesus, and should be viewed in light of its etymology and not pagan celebrations connected to it. It's the etymology that matters.

4) John had to qualify "pascha" in John 11:55: “And the Jews’ passover was nigh at hand….” (ην δε εγγυς το πασχα των ιουδαιων). This means that pascha, without the qualifier and with the context in mind, is rightfully translated as Easter in Acts 12:4, but does not relate to anything pagan. Eusebius, a church historian, stated that "For the parishes of all Asia, as from an older tradition, held that the fourteenth day of the moon, on which day the Jews were commanded to sacrifice the lamb, should be observed as the feast of the Saviour’s passover. Typical Engish translations of Eusebius’ Church History, such as that above, translate “σωτηρίου πάσχα” as “Saviour’s passover”, but the literal translation is “Saviour’s Pascha”. Eusebius gives a balanced report of the situation, even reporting that the Saviour’s Pascha originally fell on the date of the Passover instead of on a Sunday, contrary to later Roman Catholic practices." That's why John had to qualify "pascha" in that instance.

5) The final proof, taken directly from the online source (KJV Today): "Contrary to what many believe, it is neither the Jews nor Herod who is using the word “Πάσχα” at Acts 12:4.  It is actually Luke, the Christian narrator of Acts, who is using the word “Πάσχα” to describe the timeline of events for his Christian readers in the latter first century, many of whom were Gentile Christians.  At the time of Luke’s writing, “Πάσχα” at Acts 12:4 was no longer the Passover but Easter.  When Luke speaks in Acts 12:4 as narrator, he is using words according to the mutual Christian perspective of himself and his readers.  This is evident because he uses the word “church” (εκκλησία) at Acts 12:1 to refer to Christians.  This is a dignifying Christian word to refer to the congregation of those who are called out by God.  Neither Herod nor the Jews would have referred to these rebels as “the called-out ones”.  However, when coming from a Christian narrator for a Christian audience, the word “εκκλησία” carries a Christian meaning.  The same goes for the word “πασχα”.  It may well be that Herod and the Jews had no concern or knowledge about Easter.  Although Herod and the Jews were waiting for the Jewish Passover, Luke uses “πασχα” according to its Christian meaning of “Easter” to explain the timeline of events to his Christian readers.  That is why “πασχα” is Easter in Acts 12:4."

Easter in Acts 12:4 is not the current pagan holiday, but the word relating to the resurrection through etymology.

Please consider these points, and let me know what you think. What I just posted may be based on faulty reasoning and/or lies, and if that is the case, please correct me. I apologize if any of my points, or those of KJV Today, are based on lies.

Thanks

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General Discussion / Negative Amazon Review

« on: February 24, 2023, 02:47:18 PM »

Hello everyone,

I noticed that Chris's book, "Why Millions of Believers on Jesus Are Going to Hell", has a popular one-star review on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/RBERF71VPV5XY/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_viewpnt?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B07XDP5V2Y#RBERF71VPV5XY

The reviewer claims that Chris's book contains contradictions.

Here is an excerpt from his review:

"Chris goes on to say that anyone who preaches that you must turn from your sin is teaching a works-based gospel.
Chris is also condemning himself because based on this logic, he is also preaching works that it is a requirement that you MUST grieve and feel sorrow, or else you are not saved. He is using the emotion as the primary determiner for true understanding, which is fallacious. He says this while he states in location 70, “Also, do not make the mistake of thinking that I am about to teach you a false doctrine of works unto salvation, because a man is saved by grace through faith, as the Holy Scriptures clearly teach,” while he teaches a warped works-based gospel built upon an odd flavor of Catholic monasticism or asceticism."

He goes on to "crush" other parts of the book, and claims that it is ridden with "Catholic monasticism or asceticism."

Is his claim, "He is using the emotion as the primary determiner for true understanding, which is fallacious", correct? I would assume not, as the Bible states that repenting consists of godly sorrow for wrongdoing.

Thanks

Note: I'm not claiming that I agree with the negative review. I'm just notifying CLE members that one of Chris's main books has a popular negative review which may need to be addressed.

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Bible Discussion / Science in the Bible: Astronomy

« on: February 24, 2023, 01:43:27 PM »

Hello everyone, here is one of my favorite instances of scientific foreknowledge in the Bible:

In Job 38:31, God mentions the Pleiades and Orion star clusters.

It's a scientific fact that "the Pleiades star cluster is gravitationally bound, while the Orion star cluster is loose and disintegrating because the gravity of the cluster is not enough to bind the group together."

Well, let's see what the Bible (i.e. God) states regarding the Pleiades and Orion star clusters.

Job 38:31: "Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?"

Keep in mind that "sweet influence" is not a social description in this context, but a scientific one. 

God clearly stated this scientific fact 4,000 years ago, the fact that the Pleiades star cluster is bound by gravity, and the fact that the Orion star cluster is loosening up.

Job 38:31 is proof that

1) the Bible contains scientific facts

2) the Bible predicts scientific facts

3) the God of the Bible exists

4) God created the universe (proven by the fact that he controls the Pleiades and Orion star clusters and knew about their gravitational forces before any man could have 4,000 years ago)

I would appreciate any thoughts/feedback on this.

Note: Here is a supposed refutation I found online from an atheistic perspective: https://academicatheism.tumblr.com/post/15018401886/not-so-scientific-facts-36 However, I believe that this article uses a strawman argument when comparing Biblical astronomy to Babylonian astronomy. They also claim that the Pleiades star cluster isn't bound by gravity, which is false, and skyandtelescope.org correctly states that "the stars of the Pleiades are gravitationally bound". This isn't a valid refutation in my book 

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General Discussion / CLE Seminars

« on: February 21, 2023, 02:15:14 PM »

Hello everyone,

Is there an internet location where all of Chris's seminars are found? I noticed that his "Creation Seminar #1: Age of the Earth" was published after his "Garden of Eden - Seminar #2". I initially assumed it to be the other way around. Are the seminars in reverse order (#3 being initial and #1 being final)?

Thanks

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Bible Discussion / KJV or AKJV

« on: February 14, 2023, 11:47:48 AM »

Hello everyone,

The Bible Gateway website offers two different King James translations: the KJV (King James Version) and the AKJV (Authorized King James Version). Is there any difference between the two?

Thanks

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General Discussion / Apricot Seeds

« on: February 13, 2023, 03:50:43 PM »

Hello everyone,

I was wondering what brand of apricot seeds you guys use. I noticed the one that Chris had linked in 2018 is currently unavailable. Do any of you have a brand that you would recommend? I replied to the 2018 post on apricot seeds but noticed that my comment got lost (edit: apparently, my comment is not lost; I apologize for the confusion).

Thanks

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Evangelism / Suggestions for evangelism

« on: February 13, 2023, 01:28:45 PM »

Hello everyone,

I'm planning on evangelizing in the future, possibly in the summer months as many people are out and about (i.e. lots of foot traffic).

I've evangelized before, using controversial topics and connecting them to scripture.

Here is an example of how I've previously evangelized: I've chosen a key issue and called on the public to change their opinion on the matter. I grab their attention on the topic, tell them that God does not allow this, and then tell them about the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Most of the time, those who walk up to me agree with me that God prohibits what I'm talking about, but they don't know why they should follow these "rules".

Here are some questions I've received: "How can you prove the existence of God?"; "Why should your religion dictate how I live my life?"; "Why do I need to follow God's commandments?" etc... How would you personally respond to these questions?

Do any of you think this formula of using controversial topics and using them as a "bridge" to talk to people about Jesus is biblical or efficient? Should I just talk about the Gospel of Jesus Christ and avoid any controversial topics?

I've evangelized in predominantly leftist areas, and the second these people hear the name Jesus, they turn away. In fact, the only people who have come up and talked to me are either leftists who repeat "F*** God"/"Why should your religion dictate how I live my life?" or smart-aleck atheists who go deep into "philosophy", "science", and Bible "contradictions" to disprove the existence of God before addressing any of my points (e.g. turn away from sin, repent, Jesus, died for our sins, etc...). I don't know if it's only those who evangelize in leftist areas that experience such foolishness. If you've evangelized in conservative areas, have you experienced such ridicule/denial, or has the public been more accepting of the Gospel and/or your talking points?

Regarding the sanctity of life, these non-believers point to God's great flood that killed many. When I mention God's actions are never subject to our approval, they point out my supposed "blind faith" and ridicule their belief that God does not "practice what he preaches". How would you respond to this?

If any of you have any advice on how to capture one's attention (e.g. should I use guilt?), what to say (e.g. should I talk about the good of Jesus Christ or the fact that they are condemned to hell?, or any other advice regarding evangelism, along with recommendations of "training videos" or examples, I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks

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Bible Discussion / Bless Israel to be blessed?

« on: February 13, 2023, 12:06:03 PM »

Hello everyone,

I was on the site gotquestions.org (which I know spews out faulty "interpretations"), and they claimed the following on their page on Bible prophecy:

"The United States of America has historically been one of Israel’s most faithful allies, and God’s promise to Abraham, “I will bless those who bless you” (Genesis 12:3a), has resulted in America’s success. But if America turns its back on Israel, it will lose God’s favor: “Whoever curses you I will curse” (Genesis 12:3b)."

I also came across a website that claimed that Hurricane Katrina changed its course in a dramatic way right after the United States government made some decisions that favored Israel's enemies.

I've never really understood this. Does God's promise to Abraham live on to this day?

Here is an excerpt from a website I came across whose author believes that God's Genesis 12 promise is void: "Interestingly, when Modern Israel was founded in 1948 the only Muslim countries to have recognized it first were the non-Semitic, non-Arab countries of Turkey and Iran, because the people of these two countries share the same bloodline as both the Ashkenazim and the Sephardim."

This website is arguing that there is no more Hebrew race, as the Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews come from non-Semitic blood (and they point to Genesis 10 to prove their claim). Is this claim correct? Does the Hebrew race not exist anymore? Does God's promise to Abraham still apply to the United States today?

I've heard many differing opinions on the subject of blessing and cursing Israel, and would appreciate an answer. Does God's promise to Abraham in Genesis 12 still apply today? Are the Jews of Israel today truly non-Semetic?

Thanks

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Bible Discussion / Question about Prayer

« on: February 10, 2023, 02:05:32 PM »

Hello everyone,

I was reading the article "The Biblical Understanding of Prayer", and I came across John 14:13-14. I know that many people have faulty interpretations of these verses, and I want to confirm that I'm understanding the content of these verses correctly.

When the verse states "that the Father may be glorified in the Son", does it mean that God will grant a request *only* when he wants to grant it (i.e. he sees that it will glorify him)?

Thanks

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Bible Discussion / Question: What about those who have never heard the Gospel of Jesus Christ?

« on: February 09, 2023, 03:27:01 PM »

Hello everyone, I have a question: if one has never heard the gospel of Jesus Christ, how will one ever get to know Jesus, repent, gain salvation, and get to heaven? What does the Bible say about this?

If anyone asks me this, I probably won't have any biblical response other than "God knows each individual's heart and judges each individual according to their actions".

This verse comes to my mind when discussing this topic: "Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!", along with the verse that discussed one man causing another to stumble, leading both to fall over (I forgot which book of the Bible contains this verse).

Do these verses apply to, say, the situation of North Sentinel Island? They are in voluntary isolation and repel any outsider. As the island's elders have decided to not allow any foreign influence on the Island, are they one of the ones who are guilty of offences in the form of ripping the children of the village from hearing the Gospel of Jesus Christ? If so, will everyone on the island go to hell due to the elders' decision to not allow Christianity (and hence no chance of repentance and salvation)?

Thanks

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General Discussion / Covid-19 Vaccine Antidotes

« on: February 08, 2023, 01:47:40 PM »

Hello everyone,

I'm one of the billions who foolishly took the covid-19 vaccine without any knowledge of its risks (before I found out the truth about vaccines). Thankfully, I haven't died suddenly. I was researching some "antidotes" to the covid-19 vaccine, and here is what I found online. This may be useful to you if you have taken the covid-19 vaccine. This is not legal medical advice, and you should make your own decision on medical matters.

1- Take N-Acetyl Cysteine (NAC), often found in pill form

2- Take vitamin C

3- Take vitamin D3

4- Take vitamin K

5- Take Ivermectin (some say this is helpful, others say it isn't)

6- Eat eggs, especially the egg yolks

While researching, I found this website, https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/I-RECOVER-Post-Vaccine-Protocol.pdf, that outlines post-vaccine treatments. Some of their outlined treatments may be useful to you if you took the vaccine. 

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Bible Discussion / Is Satan the morning star? New-age versions say yes!

« on: February 07, 2023, 02:04:01 PM »

Hello everyone, I've summarized the information I recently found regarding Satan, the morning star, and new-age versions.

Isaiah 14:12-17 outlines Lucifer's (Satan's) five "I will"s, portraying his pride and deep desire to be above God.

Well, the NIV changes "Lucifer" to"morning star" (one of Jesus's titles), thereby going off the course of the Hebrew they are translating from (which in no way, shape, or form translates to morning star). This is not a matter of different manuscripts, as I thought before. These translators are literally coming up with these changes without regard to the manuscripts they are translating from! Well, not really, someone is behind this (and as we shall see, this someone is Satan).

"New Age Versions" points out the origin of swapping "Lucifer" for "morning star": "The matching of Lucifer with the morning star rises not from the Hebrew bible but from classical mythology, a fount of bitter water not intended by God as our "fountain of living waters" (Jeremiah 17:13). Reference works concede that the switch is based on ". . . classical mythology for the planet Venus."5 Just because Satan has convinced the heathen world to connect him with Venus, the morning star, is no basis for the repetition of that "myth" by Christian scholars. But II Timothy 4:3,4 says the time for myths has come."

"New Age Versions" also points out the sheer blasphemy of the NASB: "The NASB compounds its role as malefactor by placing the
reference, II Peter 1:19, next to Isaiah 14:12 to solidify the notion that the passage refers to Jesus Christ rather than Lucifer."

These "translators" know what they are doing. New-Ager R. Swinebum Qyrner, when talking about this new "translation", claimed that "In this one short sentence is stated most clearly one of the greatest occult truths."

Here is a traditional definition of the morning star in "Commentary: Critical and Explanatory of the Old Testament": "Daystar: a title truly belonging to Christ and hereafter to be assumed by antichrist." This is exactly what is happening with the New Age versions: Satan is assuming the title of Jesus Christ!

The "Theophysical Glossary" reads as follows: "The Christians. . .without suspecting the real meaning.. . greeted the Morning Star, Venus, Lucifer. The Trinity... was in truth composed of the Sun (the Father). . .Venus (the Holy Ghost), . . . and Lucifer, as Christ, the bright and morning star. The Verbum (the Word) and Lucifer are one".

It's clear that Satan is behind this new "translation" of Isaiah 14, as Satan has assumed Jesus Christ's title.

Revelation 13:18 says this: "Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man, and his number is Six hundred threescore and six." The beast's (antichrist/Satan) number is 666.

Let's see how the number 666 connects to the NIV.

As previously mentioned, Isaiah 14 portrays Satan's 5 "I will"s. "New Age Versions" says this about the city where the NIV was founded: "I will," is also the official motto of the U.S. city sporting zip code 60606. In 1966, this same city hatched the NIV." I'm sure this was done purposefully and symbolically, so as to identify the guiding hand of the NIV: Satan.

Do you need more proof that the NIV and other new-age versions are authored by the devil? I don't think so.

Satan says "I will" and proceeds to deceive many, but as bible believing Christians, we'll say "you won't" and won't allow him to deceive us.

Jesus commanded, "Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve". I'm thankful for the Christians who exclaim the same.
 

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General Discussion / 9/11 Conspiracy

« on: February 03, 2023, 12:15:22 PM »

Note to the moderators: please delete my previous post, as this is an update to my original post.

9/11 Conspiracy

Link: http://www.whale.to/b/israel_did_911.html

The contents of the article may provide proof that some Israelis perpetrated 9/11.

Here are quotes from the article that are interesting, to say the least.

Quote 1: "Still image from "laughing hijackers" video showing Ziad Jarrah(left), and Mohammed Atta(right), allegedly making their martyrdom video just before 9/11, all the while laughing hysterically about it! Ziad Jarrah's uncle, Ali Al Jarrah, was recently discovered by Lebanese authorities of being a Mossad Spy for 25 years!"

Quote 2: "Adam Yahiye Gadahn also known as Azzam the American is the so-called Al Qaida spokesperson who releases videos tormenting the world with his anti-American rants. The FBI even have him on their most wanted terrorist list. It turns out he is a Jew named Adam Pearlman, from California. Adam's grandfather, Carl Pearlman, was a prominent surgeon and on the Board of Directors of the Anti-Defamation League!"

Keep this verse in mind: "He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, It is folly and shame unto him" (Proverbs 18:13).

What are your guys' thoughts on this conspiracy?

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General Discussion / 9/11 Conspiracy

« on: February 01, 2023, 03:39:15 PM »

Hello everyone, I was doing some leisure research on the Bush presidency and came across the 9/11 attacks. I know that 9/11 is a controversial subject, and I am not well-informed on the matter, and as such, I am basically neutral on the matter. However, I found the following information online, and am wondering what your guys' opinion is on it.

Quote: "Larry Silverstein - is a Jewish American businessman from New York. Silverstein obtained a 99-year lease on the entire world trade center complex on 24 July 2001. The towers were in fact close to worthless, being filled with asbestos, yet Silverstein “felt a compelling urge to own them” and took out specific insurance against acts of "terrorism". Silverstein had breakfast in "Windows on the World" restaurant (located in North Tower 107th Floor) every morning but broke this routine on the morning of 11 September 2001. Silverstein’s two children, who also worked in the WTC, were also absent from work that day. Larry Silverstein was paid $4.55 billion in insurance money as a result of the destruction of the WTC complex. He also sued the airlines and airport security, seeking $12.3 billion in damages, though his ultimate payout after a 13-year legal struggle was just $95.2 million. Silverstein was a personal friend of media magnate Rupert Murdoch and former Israeli prime minister Ariel Sharon. Haaretz reported that he was such good friends with Benjamin Netanyahu that he spoke with him on the phone every Sunday." The website I got this from, wikispooks.com, claims that Israel played a role in the 9/11 attacks. More is found on https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9-11/Israel_did_it.

Quote: "ZIM, an Israeli company, vacated its office (10,000 square feet) in the North WTC tower a week before 9/11, breaking its lease. 49% of this company is owned by the Israeli government. The lease ran till the end of 2001, and it cost the company $50,000 to break it early. Later, FBI agent Michael [CENSORED], who was investigating Israeli spying before and after 9/11 and looking into the suspicious move, was removed from his duties by the then head of the Justice Department’s criminal division, Michael Chertoff, another Jew and staunch supporter of Zionism.
According to a non-official cover (NOC) CIA source who worked closely with [CENSORED], the 'Israeli movers' moved in explosives when ZIM moved out. With ZIM Israel bailing out just in time, this left one Israeli company, Clearforest with 19 employees, in the WTC on 9/11. Of the five employees in the building all managed to escape." wikispooks.com

Quote: "Israeli instant messaging company, Odigo, admitted that two of its employees received instant messages warning of an impeding attack 2 hours prior to the first plane hitting. Haaretz reported that the workers "informed the company's management, which immediately contacted the Israeli security services, which brought in the FBI." Micha Macover, CEO of Odigo, stated that "It may just have been someone who was joking and turned out they accidentally got it right."[20] Odigo had a feature on its service that allowed the passing on of messages through a search feature based on nationality.[citation needed] Knowing these two particular Israelis were forewarned, it is possible - even likely - that they passed the message on to other Israelis. This is especially so considering that, out of the 4000 Israelis believed to have worked in and around the WTC and the Pentagon only FIVE died. 5/4000 Israelis. Statistically, with no forewarning about 10% (ie 400 of 4000) would have died; a toll as low as 200-300/4000 would not convincingly indicate foreknowledge. But only FIVE Israelis died and two of the five were aboard the allegedly hijacked flights; thus only three Israelis died in the WTC itself on 9/11. NB - this applies to Israeli nationals, NOT American Jews. Many Jews died in the WTC on 9/11. Odigo has offices in New York, and in Herzliya, Israel. Herzliya also happens to be the home of the Mossad Headquarters. Odigo was later acquired by another Israeli company called Comverse. The CEO of Comverse was Kobi Alexander a dual Israeli-US passport holder, spooky businessman and convicted fraudster." wikispooks.com

Additionally, wiki spooks claims that all "this applies to Israeli nationals, NOT American Jews. Many Jews died in the WTC on 9/11".

As I stated, I am not well-informed on the topic and have no way of knowing if the quotes or websites I sourced are "quackery" or not. I would appreciate any clarification on the matter or thoughts on the above quotes that may prove deep-state involvement in the 9/11 attacks.

Thanks