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What's New @ CLE / Re: (OTHER VIDEO) WILD EMAILS: "You're a Pharisee AND a Sadducee!!"
« Last post by someguy85 on November 26, 2023, 05:03:42 AM »Definitely one who enjoys deflection and changing the subject, but this guy and others like him seem to just not want to grow up. They'll try to justify themselves through feelings and when that doesn't work they'll try to win using feelings by calling someone the worst name they can think of, kind of like what some of us would do...when we were 4 years old.
It's almost like a lot of the cult like social activists that love to call people "nazi, racist, sexist, etc, etc"...they love using those words but mostly couldn't define them to pass an exam. As with the title of the video, so many love saying "You're a pharisee/sadducee," but couldn't tell you the first thing about either position.
I still can't get over how he spends a lot of time saying that titles and positions are bad...then later on goes on to say (paraphrasing): "How dare you question my testimony, it's been reviewed and approved by three distinctive scholars!"
His overt hypocrisy would be funny if it wasn't so tragic that he thinks those people's attitudes will mean anything when he stands before God, and God says the worst words any human could ever hear "I never knew you, depart from me".
It's almost like a lot of the cult like social activists that love to call people "nazi, racist, sexist, etc, etc"...they love using those words but mostly couldn't define them to pass an exam. As with the title of the video, so many love saying "You're a pharisee/sadducee," but couldn't tell you the first thing about either position.
I still can't get over how he spends a lot of time saying that titles and positions are bad...then later on goes on to say (paraphrasing): "How dare you question my testimony, it's been reviewed and approved by three distinctive scholars!"
His overt hypocrisy would be funny if it wasn't so tragic that he thinks those people's attitudes will mean anything when he stands before God, and God says the worst words any human could ever hear "I never knew you, depart from me".
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What's New @ CLE / (OTHER VIDEO) WILD EMAILS: "You're a Pharisee AND a Sadducee!!"
« Last post by creationliberty on November 25, 2023, 06:40:36 PM »94
Wild Emails @ CLE / Re: REEEEEE!! "You're a Pharisee AND a Sadducee!"
« Last post by someguy85 on November 23, 2023, 12:42:12 PM »Nah, why would people ever do such a thing?
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« Last post by creationliberty on November 23, 2023, 12:03:32 PM »So...he was proudly proclaiming he didn't like the status men give themselves in some denominations/education systems, but then goes on to say how well his testimony was graded by men?
But no one ever lies, right?
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Wild Emails @ CLE / Re: REEEEEE!! "You're a Pharisee AND a Sadducee!"
« Last post by someguy85 on November 23, 2023, 11:28:13 AM »So...he was proudly proclaiming he didn't like the status men give themselves in some denominations/education systems, but then goes on to say how well his testimony was graded by men?
Guess he didn't read Galatians 1:10:
"For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ."
(PS, yes I know this bit isn't a biblical quote but It also reminds me of the line from Hamlet: "The Lady doth protest too much, me thinks")
Guess he didn't read Galatians 1:10:
"For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ."
(PS, yes I know this bit isn't a biblical quote but It also reminds me of the line from Hamlet: "The Lady doth protest too much, me thinks")
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Wild Emails @ CLE / Re: REEEEEE!! "You're a Pharisee AND a Sadducee!"
« Last post by creationliberty on November 23, 2023, 10:11:58 AM »At no point did you tell him that he wasn't saved but he keeps adding more fuel to the fire.
His anger came from the fact that, if what I was saying was right, he had never come to repentance of his sin. As you stated, I never said that he didn't come to repentance. I have no idea if he did or did not. However, Bob rejected that thought immediately.
Yet, it leads us to wonder, if he was confident in Christ, what need would he have to be angry at me?
If I am not saved, as he clearly stated he believes, why did he not try to reason the Gospel with me peacefully?
I think he is secretly very afraid, but his pride will not let him read to understand, and refuses to consider that the people described in Matthew 7 could be him. I hope the Lord will give him the same gifts of mercy and repentance that he has graciously given me.
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Wild Emails @ CLE / Re: REEEEEE!! "You're a Pharisee AND a Sadducee!"
« Last post by Zoologistkid on November 23, 2023, 09:32:23 AM »The sad part is all this came from just from you telling him this:
At no point did you tell him that he wasn't saved but he keeps adding more fuel to the fire.
Be not rash with thy mouth, and let not thine heart be hasty to utter any thing before God: for God is in heaven, and thou upon earth: therefore let thy words be few. - Ecclesiastes 5:2
At what point were you railing at him? Sure you were jesting on a previous post but that's because he made an absurd statement about getting an "A" on his testimony and treated it like it was completely infallible at that point. He really does believe that means that he is incapable of not having understanding or being saved. How dare you the self-righteous pharisee cult leader point out what the Bible says about how people are saved? I am beyond such methods because all my teachers said it was great.
A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick; Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels; Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day. - Isaiah 65:3-5
I did check out his website and well... I got what I expected from his gospel of salvation. There is no mention of the Law or repentance (correct or incorrect definitions) and follows the "Roman road" that he believes will lead to salvation:
He kept calling the Bible's standards for the salvation of grief and godly sorrow for sin and remission 'your' standard because if what you said is accurate then that would mean that he was never saved according to the Word. It would also mean all the people he's looked up to most likely were never saved as well and the number of people he believes he's led to salvation would be actually small or nonexistent. He came after you to defend everything he stands for because it would mean everything he's ever accomplished is for naught. You are against everything he's ever stood for and believes just because you pointed out this verse:
But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. - Gal 3:23-25
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That is something I used to believe could happen to someone because of the leavened influence Kent Hovind had on me, but after the Lord freed me from that brainwashing and moved me into study of the Scriptures on my own, I now understand it is not the path to salvation. No one gets saved through being exposed to creation materials. They get saved by the hearing of the law.
But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. - Gal 3:23-25
Having one's mind changed about creation/evolution is not repentance of sin, nor is "turning from sin" repentance of sin (because those are works-based doctrines). The hearing of the law brings a man to tears of godly sorrow of his wrongdoing.
At no point did you tell him that he wasn't saved but he keeps adding more fuel to the fire.
Be not rash with thy mouth, and let not thine heart be hasty to utter any thing before God: for God is in heaven, and thou upon earth: therefore let thy words be few. - Ecclesiastes 5:2
At what point were you railing at him? Sure you were jesting on a previous post but that's because he made an absurd statement about getting an "A" on his testimony and treated it like it was completely infallible at that point. He really does believe that means that he is incapable of not having understanding or being saved. How dare you the self-righteous pharisee cult leader point out what the Bible says about how people are saved? I am beyond such methods because all my teachers said it was great.
A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick; Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels; Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day. - Isaiah 65:3-5
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IN 37 years of being saved and in ministry, not one time have I have ever met such a confused and "YOU ARE NOT SAVED!:" person, not even in IFB College.. When trying to be corrected, you do not even listen or read. I corrected you once, that I am saved BY the Blood of the Lamb, the LORD Jesus Christ, and that journey started through knocking out the edifice of false science (evolutionism) I admonished you once, and now became YOUR enemy. Jesus will say to you one day, You should understand these things, if you were saved and not religious. If you wish to learn Scripture, get out of that self-righteousness cult, then I can help. I teach the Word of God to those who are willing tol earn, not the ones who think they know every thing and think no one but those who say the right words to them are saved, based upon their own standard.
I did check out his website and well... I got what I expected from his gospel of salvation. There is no mention of the Law or repentance (correct or incorrect definitions) and follows the "Roman road" that he believes will lead to salvation:
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The Gospel is eloquently given in long form for many chapters by Paul in Romans and, walking through it, one gets the entire Gospel given in just a few short verses, thoroughly in a manner some call, "Romans Road". Here is a gleaning of the basics:
The Indictment
(Romans 3:9-18)
What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: Their feet are swift to shed blood: Destruction and misery are in their ways: And the way of peace have they not known: There is no fear of God before their eyes.
(Romans 3:23)
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
(Romans 6:23)
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
(Romans 5:8
But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
(Romans 8: 1)
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
(Romans 10:9-10)
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
The Scriptures above mean that we are sinners, saved only by Grace through the shed blood sacrifice of the LORD Jesus on the Cross.
He kept calling the Bible's standards for the salvation of grief and godly sorrow for sin and remission 'your' standard because if what you said is accurate then that would mean that he was never saved according to the Word. It would also mean all the people he's looked up to most likely were never saved as well and the number of people he believes he's led to salvation would be actually small or nonexistent. He came after you to defend everything he stands for because it would mean everything he's ever accomplished is for naught. You are against everything he's ever stood for and believes just because you pointed out this verse:
But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. - Gal 3:23-25
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Wild Emails @ CLE / Re: REEEEEE!! "You're a Pharisee AND a Sadducee!"
« Last post by creationliberty on November 23, 2023, 09:10:12 AM »I looked on his website, and here is his explanation of the Gospel of Salvation:
God loves you, and wants to have fellowship now and forever with you, but...
...You are an unrighteous sinner, separated from your Creator, a Holy and Just God by your sin(s)and sin nature
Sin leads to death
You are deserving of eternal punishment in a fiery hell after a certain death
Therefore, you need to get saved from that hell
You cannot save yourself by works, "being good", religion, etc. or by anything else or anyone else
Jesus Christ, the God-Man, came down from Heaven in the flesh to die on a Roman Cross for your sin(s)
You simply have to believe in Jesus Christ who died for your sins and that God promised he will forgive all of your sins
https://www.christs-disciples.org/gospel.php
No repentance. That was my point. I didn't bother to look into his site until now to check, and I suspected that was the case because his writing reflected an unrepentant heart. That confirms it for me.
But to be fair... I'm sure he said all those hateful and railing things for Jesus, right?
He talks of "sin nature," but doesn't even give an example of what sin looks like. Ergo, there is no preaching of the law to sinners so they would come to repentance. His explanation presents a "problem" to the reader that, even if the reader accepts as a problem without knowing what it means, he will "believe in Jesus" and think he solved the alleged "problem" without ever being born again in Christ.
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
-Gal 3:24
This is an excerpt from my short book (free-to-read) Why Millions of Believers on Jesus Are Going to Hell:
God loves you, and wants to have fellowship now and forever with you, but...
...You are an unrighteous sinner, separated from your Creator, a Holy and Just God by your sin(s)and sin nature
Sin leads to death
You are deserving of eternal punishment in a fiery hell after a certain death
Therefore, you need to get saved from that hell
You cannot save yourself by works, "being good", religion, etc. or by anything else or anyone else
Jesus Christ, the God-Man, came down from Heaven in the flesh to die on a Roman Cross for your sin(s)
You simply have to believe in Jesus Christ who died for your sins and that God promised he will forgive all of your sins
https://www.christs-disciples.org/gospel.php
No repentance. That was my point. I didn't bother to look into his site until now to check, and I suspected that was the case because his writing reflected an unrepentant heart. That confirms it for me.
But to be fair... I'm sure he said all those hateful and railing things for Jesus, right?
He talks of "sin nature," but doesn't even give an example of what sin looks like. Ergo, there is no preaching of the law to sinners so they would come to repentance. His explanation presents a "problem" to the reader that, even if the reader accepts as a problem without knowing what it means, he will "believe in Jesus" and think he solved the alleged "problem" without ever being born again in Christ.
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
-Gal 3:24
This is an excerpt from my short book (free-to-read) Why Millions of Believers on Jesus Are Going to Hell:
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William and Catherine Booth were the founders of The Salvation Army (1878), and the goal of their organization was to feed and clothe the poor and needy. William Booth said:
"I am of the opinion that the chief dangers which confront the coming century [i.e. 20th-21st century] will be religion without the Holy Ghost, Christianity without Christ, forgiveness without repentance, salvation without regeneration, politics without God, and heaven without hell."
-William Booth, quoted in The Homiletic Review: An International Magazine of Religion, Theology and Philosophy, Religious Newspaper Agency, Vol. 44, 1902, p. 382, [University of Michigan]
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Wild Emails @ CLE / Re: REEEEEE!! "You're a Pharisee AND a Sadducee!"
« Last post by creationliberty on November 23, 2023, 08:57:00 AM »I guess he decided to keep going after he said he was done. Here's what I got this morning.
I would argue the same for you, since I know it full well and accepted it. Jesus knows me, and I know Him. he will never say to me, "Depart from me, I never knew you".
(Matthew 7:23 [AKJV/PCE])
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
And I would argue the very, very exact same for you. I have evidence you learned how to quote Scripture, but not live by it, nor understand it, just use it to rail at anyone trying to correct your nastiness.
You do not have to worry. We will not be keeping company. IF you need studies, they are on my site.
https://christs-disciples.org/
Since you also need to learn the Gospel of the LORD Jesus Christ, it is there also.
https://christs-disciples.org/gospel.php
Since you are so smart, there is a study just for you, and the other railers:
https://christs-disciples.org/worldly-knowledge.php
IN 37 years of being saved and in ministry, not one time have I have ever met such a confused and "YOU ARE NOT SAVED!:" person, not even in IFB College.. When trying to be corrected, you do not even listen or read. I corrected you once, that I am saved BY the Blood of the Lamb, the LORD Jesus Christ, and that journey started through knocking out the edifice of false science (evolutionism) I admonished you once, and now became YOUR enemy. Jesus will say to you one day, You should understand these things, if you were saved and not religious. If you wish to learn Scripture, get out of that self-righteousness cult, then I can help. I teach the Word of God to those who are willing tol earn, not the ones who think they know every thing and think no one but those who say the right words to them are saved, based upon their own standard.
When corrected, you cannot be corrected but use your dull sword. Mine is sharp and convicts me and you of sin. In all my years, mostly atheists, agnostics, muslims and RCCers were railers. Then there is you. The ultimate mocker, railer. And you.
(Titus 3:10 [AKJV/PCE])
A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
#1 Get saved.
#2 Get a teachable spirit
That was your last admonition. You are rejected.
His,
Bob
END OF LETTER
I'm not wasting my time with responding to him. He had no intention of having a peaceful, reasonable conversation, which is why I was confused why he was writing to me in the first place. He still never told me. I'm not sure what he was trying to accomplish.
Isn't it amazing how many churchgoers there are out there who have NO interest in discussion the Gospel of Salvation in Christ?
The sad part is that I NEVER said he wasn't saved. In fact, I just didn't know one way or another. All I wanted him to do was hear the Gospel of Salvation and see how he would respond. He didn't even want to see it, and started in on his prideful railing with church-ianity phrases sprinkled on top... and that told me pretty much everything I needed to know.
I still don't know if he's saved or not... but I'm leaning pretty heavily towards "No" because of his last couple of letters; there does not seem to be any reflection of a humble heart of repentance (i.e. Where's the grace? Where's the understanding? Where's the patience?), and God does not give His grace to the proud of heart.
But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
-James 4:6
What I do appreciate from Bob is to show everyone an example: This is what an "Independent Fundamental Baptist College Education" looks like once its complete. That's why I told you all that there is not a single so-called "Christian" college I would recommend to anyone, and have warned Christians to stay away from their influence. They are in the business of bringing in those who might be saved, and pumping them out to be those who now mimic the language and attitude of the Pharisees in the days of Christ.
I would argue the same for you, since I know it full well and accepted it. Jesus knows me, and I know Him. he will never say to me, "Depart from me, I never knew you".
(Matthew 7:23 [AKJV/PCE])
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
And I would argue the very, very exact same for you. I have evidence you learned how to quote Scripture, but not live by it, nor understand it, just use it to rail at anyone trying to correct your nastiness.
You do not have to worry. We will not be keeping company. IF you need studies, they are on my site.
https://christs-disciples.org/
Since you also need to learn the Gospel of the LORD Jesus Christ, it is there also.
https://christs-disciples.org/gospel.php
Since you are so smart, there is a study just for you, and the other railers:
https://christs-disciples.org/worldly-knowledge.php
IN 37 years of being saved and in ministry, not one time have I have ever met such a confused and "YOU ARE NOT SAVED!:" person, not even in IFB College.. When trying to be corrected, you do not even listen or read. I corrected you once, that I am saved BY the Blood of the Lamb, the LORD Jesus Christ, and that journey started through knocking out the edifice of false science (evolutionism) I admonished you once, and now became YOUR enemy. Jesus will say to you one day, You should understand these things, if you were saved and not religious. If you wish to learn Scripture, get out of that self-righteousness cult, then I can help. I teach the Word of God to those who are willing tol earn, not the ones who think they know every thing and think no one but those who say the right words to them are saved, based upon their own standard.
When corrected, you cannot be corrected but use your dull sword. Mine is sharp and convicts me and you of sin. In all my years, mostly atheists, agnostics, muslims and RCCers were railers. Then there is you. The ultimate mocker, railer. And you.
(Titus 3:10 [AKJV/PCE])
A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
#1 Get saved.
#2 Get a teachable spirit
That was your last admonition. You are rejected.
His,
Bob
END OF LETTER
I'm not wasting my time with responding to him. He had no intention of having a peaceful, reasonable conversation, which is why I was confused why he was writing to me in the first place. He still never told me. I'm not sure what he was trying to accomplish.
Isn't it amazing how many churchgoers there are out there who have NO interest in discussion the Gospel of Salvation in Christ?
The sad part is that I NEVER said he wasn't saved. In fact, I just didn't know one way or another. All I wanted him to do was hear the Gospel of Salvation and see how he would respond. He didn't even want to see it, and started in on his prideful railing with church-ianity phrases sprinkled on top... and that told me pretty much everything I needed to know.
I still don't know if he's saved or not... but I'm leaning pretty heavily towards "No" because of his last couple of letters; there does not seem to be any reflection of a humble heart of repentance (i.e. Where's the grace? Where's the understanding? Where's the patience?), and God does not give His grace to the proud of heart.
But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
-James 4:6
What I do appreciate from Bob is to show everyone an example: This is what an "Independent Fundamental Baptist College Education" looks like once its complete. That's why I told you all that there is not a single so-called "Christian" college I would recommend to anyone, and have warned Christians to stay away from their influence. They are in the business of bringing in those who might be saved, and pumping them out to be those who now mimic the language and attitude of the Pharisees in the days of Christ.