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Introduce Yourself / Re: Introducing myself
« on: June 10, 2021, 08:17:14 PM »
Especially the fellow that wrote ahead of you.. They believe everything you say....don't they?
I know, it's strange. They refuse to give us their salvation testimony in Jesus Christ, kinda' like you Jeff, and then suddenly, they imply that I am some sort of religious cult leader, all because we do not agree with Jeff, the great and mighty seeker of truth.

you are weird bunch...like you are cult leader and they go by everything you say...you are not Jesus
He wrote that while I was writing my response. I had not even seen it, and I knew what he was doing. You either agree with Jeff or your a cultist; that's his prideful attitude. This is exactly why we do the introductions with people, so we can tell Christians apart from contentious churchgoers.

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Introducing myself
« on: June 10, 2021, 08:14:31 PM »
Of course its Godly sorrow...maybe I did not make that clear. But faith without works is dead...I don't care what you guys say. You sound like easy beleivism like all the Churches of today.  You cannot continue to indulge in sin and claim you are saved...that's a lie from the devil.  And you guys are very rude to say the least... I read alot of the the introductions from people and yall are very rude to many of them . Especially the fellow that wrote ahead of you.. They believe everything you say....don't they? WOW
Of course its Godly sorrow...maybe I did not make that clear.
Okay, Jeff, don't lie to us. I'm not going to tolerate that. I'm okay if you make a mistake or something like that, but now you're just lying. Here is what you said:
It can mean sorrow, but more so means to turn from you sin
You made it perfectly clear what you believe, but now that you are facing some folks that know Scripture, you're trying to change your tune to match whatever we believe to save face, without confessing that you taught something wrong. I know why you're doing that too, but I won't get into that. If you are not going to confess the truth, then again, you will not find brethren here.

But faith without works is dead...I don't care what you guys say.
When did we say that we are not to do the good works of the Spirit of God? Why are you accusing us of that? We said that those works are NOT the foundation of saving grace, and you could not even admit that.
Furthermore, you would have thrown a fit on this forum if we responded to your first post by saying, "I don't care what you guys say." I am amazed by the hypocrisy that you want us to treat you with what you called "politeness," while you get to say whatever you feel like to us. Again, what proceeds from your mouth (or your fingertips in typing) comes forth from your heart:
But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
-Mat 15:18


You sound like easy beleivism like all the Churches of today.
You cannot be serious. I wrote a book called WHY MILLIONS OF BELIEVERS ON JESUS ARE GOING TO HELL, and I am getting accused of being a part of "easy believism?" That's a first. However, I know why you are on the attack on that point, and that is because when I said that you believe in works-doctrine, I hit the nail on the head didn't I?

You cannot continue to indulge in sin and claim you are saved...that's a lie from the devil.
Correct. You cannot continue to indulge the pride in your heart and claim you are saved; that's a lie from the devil.
But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
-James 4:6


And you guys are very rude to say the least
That's called projection. That's when you accuse others of what you are guilty of doing yourself. You came to our forum, as a guest in our home, and you immediately started to falsely accuse us of an assortment of things without any evidence. Very rude Jeff, and we don't appreciate it, but I pray the Lord Jesus Christ would bless you and your family with as much grace as He has kindly given to me.
Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing.
-1Pe 3:9


I read alot of the the introductions from people and yall are very rude to many of them
We just asked them for their testimony of Jesus Christ, and they refused to give us their testimony of salvation in Jesus Christ. Sound familiar?

Especially the fellow that wrote ahead of you.. They believe everything you say....don't they?
I know, it's strange. They refuse to give us their salvation testimony in Jesus Christ, kinda' like you Jeff, and then suddenly, they imply that I am some sort of religious cult leader, all because we do not agree with Jeff, the great and mighty seeker of truth.

Good thing we have God's Word to protect us.
For the oppression of the poor, for the sighing of the needy, now will I arise, saith the LORD; I will set him in safety from him that puffeth at him. The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
-Psa 12:5-7


Jeff, I hope you have a great day, and I hope the Lord Jesus Christ blesses you with all your needs throughout the coming months of change here in the U.S.
Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
-Pro 26:5

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What's New @ CLE / (VIDEO) CLE U.S. Current Events Update | 6-10-21
« on: June 10, 2021, 07:06:24 PM »

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Introducing myself
« on: June 10, 2021, 07:01:56 PM »
My name is Jeffery young. I found this site by accident looking for true Christian's that love Jesus and are awake to the lies of this world. I happened to read the post  by the owner of this website about the Greek lexicon deception. I found it very refreshing. My reason for being on here is to find others that know that Covid 19 virus was fake and that Christian's should not fall for it. I want to find others that know that we have been lied to about the Earth. NASA is a freemason/luciferian organization and has decieved us about what we live on and many beleive the fake science/psuedoscience being thrown at us in all directions. I would like to show people how we been lied and prove it though scripture. The Bible says Satan has decieved the whole world and its 100% true. Even so called beleivers or decieved by these luciferians/masons that run this world. I am a Christian. I attend no 501 3c coded Church. The Church is not a building. Its the people who actually love Jesus Christ and do as he commands. I do not watch TV, listen to any music whether supposed Christian or not. Many so called Christian singers have come out gay and openly admitted they were never Christian's. I do not watch any TV. I do not watch movies. Everything is for programming our minds. If you love the world you cannot love God.  I beleive in repentance and only use KJV. All others are corrupted. I believe we must live a holy life. I beleive we should confess our sins to God when we are aware that we have sinned  I bleive we should pray without ceasing. I believe only in the Doctrine of Gods word. I listen to no man. It's almost impossible to find a true teacher is this day and age. I read the Bible and the Holy Spirit is my teacher. I do not believe in the rapture. We will go though the tribuation. Its cut and dry and I have no idea why it's even an issue. If you are going to respond, please be polite as I will treat you as Jesus commanded us to.
Hi Jeff, I'm the guy that wrote "the post by the owner of this website about the Greek lexicon deception." I presume you mean:
The Dangers of Using Lexicons and Concordances

I can already tell by your post that you did not read more about what we believe and teach, and you did not read the big link on the main forum page that says "NEW MEMBERS CLICK HERE," which would have led you to this link: http://www.creationliberty.com/forum/index.php?topic=20.0, and that would have explained to you that you did not, in the slightest capacity, put any information that is required of new members to this forum.

Already, that shows us that you do not look into things before you open your mouth. You can be as offended as you want by that statement, but so far, the evidence is on my side. Perhaps you will show us a different example from here on out, and I will be proven wrong; we'll see.

I fully agree with Tim's assessment of what you said. You have stated that you believe that you have to "turn from sin" to be saved, which means you believe in works doctrine. We do not teach that here because we only preach the grace of Jesus Christ as the foundation of salvation.

And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
-Rom 11:6


Now, if what you said was true, namely, "I found this site by accident looking for true Christian's that love Jesus and are awake to the lies of this world," we are now trying to explain to you that you have been taken in by one of the BIGGEST lies of the devil, which is the false doctrine that you have learned on repentance. If your statement was not true, and that you were just puffing yourself up for what you thought was a fancy introduction post, then please just be straight-forward and let us know, but if your statement was true, and you are looking to fellowship with those who truly love Christ, then I would suggest reading this short book that I wrote (which is free-to-read on the website):
Why Millions of Believers on Jesus Are Going to Hell

If you want to take some time to read that, and then get back with us and share your thoughts, I would be interested to hear from you. However, if you do not want to understand the fundamental Gospel of Jesus Christ, then you are NOT going to find like-minded brethren here, no matter how many other worldly things we might agree on concerning COVID, freemasons, NASA, luciferins, etc, etc. If those worldly things take priority for you over the doctrines of Jesus Christ, then you are not our brethren.

So because you selected "Christian" as your chosen religious belief, I want to put your own words to the test:
You can't pick and choose what is true out the Bible.
Correct. The Bible is true no matter what you personally want to believe, and so let's find out if you are truly born again in the Lord Jesus Christ. Let's hear your testimony of salvation, then, we will know what doctrine you believe and teach, and then, we will know if we are talking to brethren, or talking to a false convert. (All our testimonies are public on this forum, but we have not heard from you yet.)

It's your choice, but I can say this for sure, if you refuse to share that with us, it will be out of the pride (i.e. sin) of your heart (which you are clearly starting to flash at us), and that is NOT treating us "as Jesus commanded us to."

Correction is grievous unto him that forsaketh the way: and he that hateth reproof shall die.
-Proverbs 15:10

But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.
-1Co 11:16

Cast out the scorner, and contention shall go out; yea, strife and reproach shall cease.
-Proverbs 22:10


Ellie was very calm and gentle in her writing, and you really snapped back at her much more than was necessary. She has been very gentle and kind since I have first known her, so your response was NOT reflective of what Jesus taught us. I don't see why we can't be reasonable and calm with one another, but it's up to you. I'll wait to hear back from you on that matter.

But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
-Mat 15:18

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What's New @ CLE / (VIDEO) CLE Update | 6-9-2021
« on: June 09, 2021, 07:33:00 PM »

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Btw, I checked out this guy's channel today because I was preparing to make a video, and last week, he uploaded this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyLOCoQJJAo

That is the fake "leg growth" trick that has been used by MANY fake "faith" healers. Essentially, a person complains about back pain, which is a common ailment. They slip their shoe slightly off of one foot, then slowly slip the shoe back onto the foot, which makes it looks like their foot is "growing." This is a well-known scam technique.


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I am thankful the Lord Jesus Christ gave me understanding about these matters. But God willing, we're not done yet. I've got a lot more to produce.

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This is a full-length book that is free-to-read on our website:
Corruptions of Christianity: Seventh-day Adventism



We are planning on making this available for purchase in print in the near future. If you have wondered why I have not come out with anything else for a while, it's because I spend the last six months working on this book.

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Be Diligent
« on: June 07, 2021, 01:33:11 AM »
I hope you IP banned this account. Earlier, I did a search on his email username, and the name "Daniel" came up too. That's why when I saw the name "Daniel" from the other guy, this started making more sense. I think this is not the first time they have pulled this, and we want nothing to do with them. I pray the Lord Jesus Christ would show them as much mercy as He has shown us, and I hope they have a great week. :)

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Be Diligent
« on: June 06, 2021, 08:06:24 PM »
Well, there are a few key things missing.

1. I have no idea what this guy believes concerning the Gospel of Jesus Christ. His "introduction" did not bother to explain that. He replaced the Gospel of Jesus Christ with bragging about his seminary degree (SEE HERE), and obviously, he has not bothered to study much of what we believe, otherwise he would already know that such a thing makes us very suspicious of him, simply because seminaries teach a horde of corrupt traditions of men instead of Scripture.

2. We can already tell that he relies on Greek grammar dictionaries as his final authority and grand interpreter of Scripture. Most likely, the seminaries taught him that corrupt method.
See The 'Original Greek' Scam

3. I have no idea what point he's trying to make. He does that thing we all have seen many times from leavened preachers, where they just give Scripture references, but don't quote it or explain it. That is most often because they don't understand it in the first place, and also when they are trying to impress someone into thinking they understand the doctrines, when they really don't. I don't know if that is true with this man, but he is showing me all the same patterns as a typical leavened preacher.

4. Because he does that, we don't know what bible version he's using, so that means we cannot tell if he's using a corrupt new-age version.

5. We are being accused of something:
"I ask you to turn from the wrong man made doctrines in many of our churches."
Well, it seems he is addressing us all by his use of the word "you," so I can only deduce that we are all being accused of turning to man-made doctrines. Okay, which man-made doctrines have we been found guilty of following? He does not make that clear.

Despite all that, I have a couple of very important questions:

Why are you here? What exactly do you want from us?

It does not yet sound like this man has seen much of what I teach. Does he know anyone else here? Or does anyone else recognize his name? I just don't understand registering on this forum to accuse everyone in a very odd, vague, and somewhat arrogant manner, and then expect something fruitful to come out of it. That makes no sense to me, so any explanation would be helpful.




Before I got a chance to post this, Howard responded to Tim:
I did personally write this article.
No one asked you if you wrote an article.

I sounds like you are one of the say "The say the Magic Words people".
Okay, this is getting really strange. I have absolutely no idea what you just said. That's a little odd from someone who said he went to college, and he lives in California. I can't make sense of this; I would presume that you would be able to write in clear English.

If you do not see salvation in my article, do you really understand what salvation according to the Bible is?
No, we are asking YOU that question. We want to know what the Gospel of Jesus Christ is according to YOU. Our testimonies are public on this forum. You have not yet given your testimony of salvation in Jesus Christ. (i.e. Firebombing a bunch of Scripture references does not automatically mean you are of Christ.) If I were to ask you, "How can I be saved?"... what would your answer be?

And I can tell you already that you are going to have to take some time (i.e. slow down) and write in clear English, or we are not going to be able to understand you.

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Hello, everyone. New member. Testimony
« on: June 04, 2021, 01:25:03 PM »
Well, he got logged in a few times after we wrote these responses. He did not say anything. It's now been three days since he last logged in. I guess I'm not sure what the point of all this was. It seemed like he wanted to talk to us, but now it seems like he doesn't? ??? I guess I don't understand.

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General Discussion / Re: Back pain relief?
« on: June 03, 2021, 09:51:00 AM »
But identifying a pinched nerve does not do anything for anyone. It does not solve the problem. The reason nerves get pinched is because there is pressure from something else pinching them. That could be bones, and bones shift because of muscle pressure. And there is muscle pressure due to tight muscles for what could be a variety of reasons.

For example, Lorraine has had chronic back pain because her fourth rib on her right side has been out of alignment. Some of my back pain has been due to tight hamstrings. I cannot diagnose anyone else simply because I am not educated enough on the muscle/bone structure, but I would recommend a physical therapist. They are more expensive than your average physician visit, but they can educate you on those things. I would be visiting one myself if I could afford it on a regular basis.

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General Discussion / Re: Back pain relief?
« on: June 03, 2021, 12:35:28 AM »
It really comes down to proper stretching of the muscles, and how when they are not stretched, the pull on the bones, which causes numerous types of back pain. I could not advise you unless I knew more, and even then, it is a complex subject for me because of how many different things can cause the problem.

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Hello, everyone. New member. Testimony
« on: May 31, 2021, 08:57:07 AM »
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I BELIEVE I was born again back in 2010 when one day I cried out to God for things I did in my past. I had no knowledge of the Law and the fact that I broke it so horribly, which makes me question whether I was saved, but I was humbled into crying out to God in a desperate plea knowing I couldn't look anywhere else but to Him. I wasn't aware of much about the Bible except that God sent His Son Jesus to die, be buried and ressurect 3 days later for the atonement of sins so I basically placed my faith in that and nothing else as a wretched sinner.
The law is simply the knowledge of sin.
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
-Rom 3:20

However, the law does not need to be first known before being saved. Perhaps I have not made that clear enough in what I have taught. Rather, the knowledge of sin needs to be known before being saved, and that can come from one's own conscience without first reading the law.
For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
-Rom 2:14-15

So while specific reading of God's law was not a requirement for salvation, your testimony still confused me because you said that you cried out to God in a desperate plea... but a plea for what reason? Why plea? What were the tears about? That's what I didn't get from what you said.

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Enter 2017. I'm sure a few of you are familiar, but there arose a conspiracy movement named Qanon in which Trump was supposed to be the person to vanquish the Deep State once and for all. I was thrilled! And also, Qanon claimed to be of God so my spiritually was renewed, albeit a false sense thereof. I was placing my hope in this and the NWO to be destroyed. But in the back of my mind this conflicted with biblical doctrine and prophecy.
There is no Qanon. There is Q, and there are Anons. The term "Qanon" was created by some people that do not have a good understanding (i.e. because there are a lot of pagans and cultist involved in it), and the media picked it up and ran with it.

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However in 2020, I was led to realise that Qanon was a scam, and it was a punch in the gut.
If you believe that Q was fake, then it's possible you were looking at the wrong things from the start. There are many false flags in the Q movement as well, so I don't think you understand what's happening right now, but I will keep reading your post first.

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But, it was the catalyst needed for me to finally come back to Christ. So with a renewed sense of faith in Christ, KNOWING now for sure I had nowhere to look, I got serious about Him and God began a process of chastening last summer, in which I felt a newfound sense of grief for my sins and the things I was doing. I was in a music project for 3 years and left that out of conviction. I cut my friends. Cut my drugs and stopped glorifying conspiracies over God in what was a chastening process I will never forget. I was into trutherism as I call it and was seeking out wisdom in heretical books such as Enoch and the Cepher.
Well, you have to be careful about that too. The book of Enoch, for example, is referred back to in Scripture, but Enoch is not written under the inspiration of God. Therefore, it is not be put on the same level of Scripture, and should not be called the Word of God, even though there may be some prophecy in it.
And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
-Jude 1:14

But if one just focuses on Scripture, they should be fine. And yet, I see a lot of churchgoers constantly running after extra-biblical things, rather than just learning the doctrines of Jesus Christ.

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So I started contending for the Gospel on my IG page. And I got into a NIFB church and got baptized which I will get into.
Not everyone comes from the same background as you, so you have to explain the abbreviations you are using.

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I found your article on repentance and it resonated with me back in January but I wrote it off and boiled it down to be a semantics issue. As you know, Anderson teaches metanoia.
I don't know what that means. We do not tend to follow worldly phrases and terms they use for all their false beliefs; we just tend to stick with Scripture.
For your obedience is come abroad unto all men. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil.
-Rom 16:19


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Also btw the Bible has transformed for me since I learned the true meaning of repentance and came out of the metanoia deception many people preach. This theme is present all over the Bible and it's impossible to unsee it now. Glory to God for that. If you are open, I am more than happy to show you some connections I have made that I believe will be of great value to your repentance teaching. I'm very eager to share with people who understand and hope to edify all here with what the Spirit has shown me.
Well, that depends. You may have noticed that you did not get any replies to your post very quickly, and the people here usually do that when they are cautious of someone. I have to confess, I am cautious of you too because I am uncertain about some things based on what you wrote. It sounds like you have been trying to jump into things too quickly your entire life, so maybe this time you can slow things down a little bit, and let's take things one step at a time.

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Jesus said the path will grow narrower as you are led closer to the truth.
You see, that a good example of what I was just talking about; that is, how I am unsure of you. Where in the Bible did Jesus say, "the path will grow narrower as you are led close to the truth?" I can quote Jesus Christ here:
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
-Mat 7:13-14

This is one of the reasons I am cautious of you is because it seems like you are interpreting Scripture out of your own experiences, rather than just looking at the Scripture for what it says. Don't misunderstand; I am not rejecting conversation with you. I am just proceeding with caution, and I believe I am not the only one here thinking the same thing.

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So enough about my life, this is all to give glory to God and the work He has done through me and I truly appreciate the fact that He gave me the humility and openness to to sift through the many deceptions I have been in throughout the past year including Qanon, Hebrew Roots, Apocrypha/Cepher, NIFB, etc.
I agree that there are deceptions in all those things.

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And I also want to thank your page for teaching the true definition of repentance.
That also may have been one of the reasons no one has responded yet. If you wanted to write me a letter, there is a contact page on the website. However, if you want to address the community on the forum, you should address the community on the forum.

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I honestly feel a bit overwhelmed at how much I potentially have to go back and relearn, but it is totally worth it and I hope to see you in heaven one day, brother.
That is also one of the reasons I think others here were cautious of you. Having to go back and relearn something is not what gains one entrance to heaven; that would be works doctrine. It's just a bit confusing because you said at the beginning that it was Jesus Christ alone. There are some things here that do not add up, and I am not attempting to strip you of your eagerness to learn and understand, but those things need to be mingled with patience as well.

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General Discussion / Teaching Witchcraft to the Young
« on: May 22, 2021, 01:06:24 PM »
Teen Vogue Explains How to Use Menstrual Blood in Witchcraft to Their 12-17 Year Old Readers

Teen Vogue, a magazine intended for kids as young as 12, has published a bizarre article explaining how to use menstrual blood for witchcraft.
The article, titled “Menstrual Blood Magic: 3 Spells For Your Period,” is the latest installment of their “practical magic” witchcraft series.

The writer Lisa Stardust begins by saying “We’ve all seen how that stigma is spread, from tampon commercials showing women discreetly discussing their periods to the way we hide our own menstruation when it’s our ‘time of the month.’ Rather than play into this patriarchal shame, witches and other masters of magic believe menstruation is a gift from nature.”

Stardust goes on to blabber about how periods are magic especially during the full moon, which forced Teen Vogue to add a disclaimer that the moon does not actually effect your period.

The total weirdo then lists “some ways to use menstrual blood to create your own personal magic.”

“Menstrual blood can be used in spells to ward off evil and protect us, if used properly,” the author wrote, in a magazine for kids. “

“Collect any pieces of broken glass, tacks, nails, screws or anything else you’ve collected from your journeys that could injure you in a mason jar with your menstrual blood (or a used tampon), Blue advised. Seal it tight and bury it near your home for protection from others,” the article states. Additionally, she quotes “Tarot reader, color magic practitioner, and curator Sarah Potter” with another spell.

“Collect your menstrual blood and add a few drops to a small cup of water to use as ink to write a list of people or situations you wish to release from your life. When your list is completed, set it on fire and picture all of that negativity leaving your energetic field,” Potter said. “Afterwards, take a cleansing bath or shower and again picture the negative energy being whisked away from you and washing down the drain.”


The problem here is that the author of this news article treats it as a "weirdo" instead of treating it as sin and wickedness. It is the fact that American stopped treating these subjects as wickedness and violations against God's creation; that is the reason why this stuff is not being warred against and preached against. It's not "weird." It's SIN.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
-Gal 5:19-21

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Evangelism / Re: JazzFest 2021 Murfreesboro TN
« on: May 20, 2021, 11:08:15 AM »
Maybe, just maybe, some of the things happening in this country right now is beginning to get people to see that a Christian preacher, who is preaching the truth on a street corner, is MUCH preferable to a group of rioting Antifa and BLM members. I'm glad they didn't harass you today. I like to see the interactions you have with people, but sometimes, it pleasant just to be able to freely preach, and we thank God for His mercy to allow that.

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General Discussion / Re: Non-compliance at Travel Checkpoints
« on: May 20, 2021, 11:02:59 AM »
Interesting. Good points.

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