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Hello from NZ!
« on: January 01, 2020, 06:09:31 PM »
Good day to you all!

My name is Joshua, I am 20 years old, and I am from New Zealand. I found the CLE website around this time last year (late Dec 2018) after doing a google search and finding the article "Videogames: Causing Witchcraft to Prosper".  This article wasn't what I was hoping to find from that search.
My older sister had just entered my room and ranted to me about how she was "tired of [my] witchcraft". As she was giving me this rebuke, I was playing one of my videogames, which you may have guessed, was full of witchcraft. Though she was more emphasizing the figurines of imaginary spirit beings I had recently purchased at a videogame convention (context: I am living with my sister and her family, and earlier that year I bought a book that caused some paranormal activity in the house, but that's another story.)
Having my conscience rattled, I immediately sought to justify myself by seeing what other Chirstians had to say about the matter so I could try and convince myself that what I was doing in my videogames "wasn't real witchcraft". Needless to say things didn't go as I had planned and I thank the Lord that it didn't.

After having the truth pointed out to me plainly (of which I was already aware) I couldn't look past the wickedness of witchcraft in the videogames I played any longer. I then became very sorrowful, but not towards God; it was a sorrow of the world, where I grieved over my videogames, and how I knew I would have to give them up. Rather than grieving over how I had wronged God. I then continued on to read "Fantasy Novels: An Invitation to Hell", where I discovered that I cherished a lot of other wicked things. I continued to look at more articles and quickly found the audio/youtube section, which was such a blessing at the time as I was strawberry picking the time so having hundreds of hours of teachings to listen to was fantastic (and still is as I listen to them whilst driving, walking, or doing stuff around the house.) I was becoming so surprised at all the different things I was learning and how ignorant I was to the truth of many things, and how wicked and lukewarm a lot of people that call themselves chirstians are. And it was slowly occuring to me that I was one of them too.
What the game changer was for me was listening to the "Is Repentance part of Salvation?" teaching. Everything started clicking and making sense.

I met this strongly conservative, philosophical PhD student that year who was raised in a weakly catholic/religious household. I ran into him on my way to church one day and he told me he was convinced the Bible wasn't true because he had said the sinner's prayer and "accepted Jesus into his heart" and what not, about 7 times, but nothing happened he told me. I had no answer for him, and I found that very troubling.
I myself was lead through a sinner's prayer by my mother near the end of my last year at highschool (about 2.2 years ago, which I remember cringing while saying), and then also again a few months later by one of my best mate's from highschool. But neither events were dramatic. It was just like, "Well I guess I believe in Jesus now."
However, once I had been given the knowledge that I needed to repent for my sins, I asked God, while confessing my sins and acknowledging my guilt, for repentance. Later that night in late Januray I woke up suddenly and I just started weeping and crying with sorrow unto God for all the wrong I had done unto him. I wrote down a confession and apology to God for all the sins I was concious I had broken (very many), with a strong emphasizing my sin of witchcraft and idolatry through videogames, whilst at the same time calling myself a Christian, and thus taking the Lord's name in vain. This was when I came to true faith and repentance in Jesus Christ, given to me by him, of which I am so grateful, and shall be so eternally.

Since then it has been a process of removing sin and worldy things out of my life and sanctifying myself from different things and different people. It's been quite the struggle; my wicked heart was and is fond of many things of this world, but I thank the Lord for his grace and mercy and his patience with me in this process. Yet I am still in that process and really feel like I need the advice of other Christians, which is one of the many reasons I finally decided to join the forum.

I will be asking questions on the forum later on, but now I will go into more details about how I got to this point and a bit where I've been since.

(I realise this post is already quite long and it's about to get a whole lot longer for which I apologise greatly for those reading on! Also I apologise for any inaccuricies and gramatical mistakes, but I think I got most of them now.)

So now I will go into a bit of background of my upbringing and my journey up until this point. I am from a family of 8 children (I am number 6.) Both of my parents were raised going to churches. When I was around about 4 or 5 years old, we stopped going to the church we had been going (it may have been a baptist or alliance church, I'm not sure) because my parents had discovered that Christmas celebrations were an abomination unto God. So thankfully I grew up with very little to do with Christmas celebrations and things of the like. But we did end up "celebrating" was probably just as bad.

We then began attending this church building of the denomination "The Living Church of God". I remember few specifics of what they taught, but it was very culty. From what I understand from what my sister told me, to join you needed to do weeks (may have been a year) of home "bible study" using their resources and recordings. Then you needed to have some interviews with them, and you also needed to pay a significant portion of your income for tithe (more than 10% I think.) I have also heard that they were a precursor to the Hebrew Roots movement; the church taught to meet on and "keep" the Sabbath day and the holy feasts (including The Day of Atonement), and follow the dietary laws, but I don't think there was too much else. We were there for about 6-7 years until, for some reason I'm unsure of, we decided to stop going.
I remember the church building and the people there as feeling very bleak and cold, and dull, even when the sun was shining. The services seemed to stretch on for eternity and I never learned a thing. But they sang enough to keep me somewhat entertained and there was another family with young kids that were fun to play with. Yet probably the most lasting impact the church had on me that it gave me an existential fear of the end of the world. It was like this impending doom that could descend upon on at any moment, very unbiblical. It really filled me with anxiety from an early age and had quite a significant impact on me.

At the same time we stopped attending that church, my granny started needing full time care so my parents, me, and my younger siblings would stay at her house to look after her for a portion of the week in collaboration with extended family. From here my family just stopped attending church buildings altogether. But my father got even more sucked into the Law of Moses "keeping", and we started doing a few more things, like reciting the Shema every day, nailing the Torah to our house and gateposts. My dad got me and my younger brother (he did himself too) to write out the commandments of the Torah, all 613! It was a pretty tedious task for an 11 year old and I find it so strange to think back upon these days. Yet though we thought we were keeping the Torah, obviously we really weren't. Neither were we diligent in doing so (after reading the "Should Christians Keep the Sabbath?" article I can't help but laugh at our "sabbath keeping".) Year after year we were more slack with "keeping" the commandments of the Torah. We'd forget more and more holy days, and eventually all our Torah keeping was reduced down to saying the Shema in the morning (as a family, when we'd remember.)

This whole time I understood nothing about Jesus Christ, who he was, what he did or why it was so crucial. I grew up with the impression that the entire New Testament was false. My dad fell for the "Paul was a liar" junk and would repeatedly say "The Lord our God is one Lord" with the implication that Jesus couldn't be God because then that would make God more than one.
But we didn't study the Old Testament scripture itself either. Any "biblical knowledge" I had heading into my teenage years came from what I remembered from bible stories, read from story books rather than the actual bible.

Heading into high school with such a weak biblical foundation wasn't great, though it definitely could have been worse. My siblings and I had all been homeschooled up until the point where we were of age to go to high school, however I had missed the first two years of high school because I insisted that I wouldn't go to highschool until we moved up to my parents farm (a safer place to be for the end of the world I thought.) Which I am thankful because my older siblings were sent to a Seventh Day Adventist high school (my dad sent them there because at least they kept the Sabbath, and therefore no sports on Saturdays etc) cause I would have went there as well.
My incredible social awkardness from being homeschooled my whole life and the lack of effort by my parents to socialise managed to score me some kind and behaved friends.The Lord also put in my life two Christians (though maybe not at the time), whom I value highly, into my life, that began shifting my perspective and philosophies away from the leftist communist philosophies I held.
Yet I made more friends with people who were into a lot of the same wicked videogames, movies, tv shows, etc that I was into myself, which lead me into the wickedness of drinking among other things. I remember very clearly thinking of an excuse before I commited some sins "oh I'm pretty sure that's only in the new testament." So much about my thinking was wickedly wrong, and I was ignorant and unsure of things, but I didn't care to check of course. I had no understanding of sin or it's consequences, nor did I seem to care.

Eventually my mother realised that our family had really gone far off the track with our Hebrew Rootsish beliefs (though very lukewarm they were at the time), and that's when she got me and my little sister to say a sinner's prayer and to accept Jesus as our Lord and saviour. I did so willingly because I realised our hypocrisy and failiure in "keeping" the Torah, and could clearly see there were no good fruits beared from my family by doing so. Though I wasn't saved at this point, I do believe God started working in my life more from this point. One of my best mates (one of the two Christians),  explained to me how sin separates us from God, and why Jesus had to die on the cross. (Though my understanding was that sin was the problem, and not me who comitted the sin.) He also got me a bible (unfortunately it was an NLT and not a KJV) and over the summer holidays I read through the New Testamant. Looking back, not much of it sank it or convicted me much at all (probably partly because it was not the KJV and I went through it quite fast) but I do remember I found it fascinating how much Jesus rebuked the scribes and pharisees. At that time I already had an understanding of the hypocrisy of pastors and christians, but also the catholic priests and their child abuse scandals.

This was the summer between my last year of highschool and first year of university (summer in NZ is from December to February.) At the moment I have finished my second year of university where I'm doing a bachelor of science, majoring in physics and chemistry (though it's science, since I'm not doing anything biology related thankfully evolution almost never comes up. Though with physics often big bang talk will come up and stuff which is annoying but it's rare enough to be tolerable.)
Seeking to meet more christians I sought out a university chirstian club to join. However, I left it a bit late, and only remembered on the very last day of the clubs expo in the late day of the afternoon. So I made my way over to the stalls and there was only one christian club remaining, named simply "Christian Club". So I joined without much thought and started attending there meetings. What I didn't realise was that nearly all the club members consisted of members from this singular denomination filled with more a lot more heresies than your average church building. From one cult to another I began attending their church building for about a year (until early 2019) and was baptized by them.

The denomination/sect (they considered themselves non-denominational) is known as the Local Churches, or the Lord's Recovery. I looked past a lot of the red flags; they had their own unique bible version (the recovery version), their own publishing company (Living Stream Ministies), their bibles contained more footnotes of their church father (Witness Lee) than actual scripture (no joke, there were some pages where there were one or two verses and the rest of the page was footnotes), they had really strange definitions for different biblical terms (like they defined grace as "God as our enjoyment", like what?). But I went along with it because I got along with them fairly well and they were nice and friendly (though I never really connected with any of them in a meaningful level) and also because I appreciated ways in which they were different from other church buildings. After coming to repentance however, I found the testimony of an ex-member who went into detail about a lot of their heresies (the most shocking one for me was that they reject the authority of certain scriptures, such as James and a number of the Psalms.) Since then I ceased contact with any of them.

Some good came from being there though. They had a sermon on idolatry when I was visitng their bible school (yeah they have quite a few around the world) which really shook my conscious because I had to admit myself the truth that I had made many things my idols, my videogames, music, etc etc (though I do believe they weren't teaching correctly on the matter either.) During the sermon I was overcome with this intense anger, so much so that it gave me a headache for like a good two hours! Never experienced anything like it. But it laid the ground work for when I came across the videogame article, because I came across it about two weeks after.

That brings us to the year just past. As I mentioned before, I have been slowly becoming more sanctified and ridding myself of sin, for which I thank God because I largely haven't done so willingly but by conviction from the Holy Spirit. Videogames took a lot longer to deal with; I admitted some of them were wicked but it took longer for me to admit others were too, (and that took A LOT of conviction.)
 I also am very cautious of who I spend my time with now and seek to avoid people (which has been the most difficult but God's grace is sufficient) as I am seeking to be sanctified. Yet this is an area where I could really use some guidance, specifically in how I should go about setting boundaries with certain people etc, (but I will ask this in another post!) 

The main reason with this is area is a headache for me is because I have gotten myself very involved in the prolife movement on campus. So we have a prolife club at my university, the most popular club on campus! (it has had, I think 5 disaffiliation attempts by various socialists and feminists over the past decade lol.) I discovered the club existed in my second semester and was quite eager to get involved but I didn't really do much because of times constraints. At the time my first cousin's once removed cousin was running the club (maybe don't both trying to figure out what the means.) I knew him because a lot of my dad's side of the family attends the same Reformed church building as his family. I knew him through them and I also attended the church's scouts program they had when I was younger (around 5-8.)
Towards the end of that year he was quite desperate for someone to take over the club, so he offered it to me (he must have been really desperate.) In complete shock but also excited by the idea of getting so heavily involved I eventually accepted. However, as Chris rightly points out in his article on abortion, being involved in prolife movements means yolking up with catholics and such like them. This was another thing I didn't want to hear at the time I heard it. But slowly over time it has bothered me more and more. I am supposed to be heading the club next year as well, and I'm not sure how I'm going to get myself out of it, but I will go into more detail later.

For many various motivations and reasons, none of them being very legitimate, I attended the Reformed Church for a few months (I stopped going about one and a half months ago so this was recent.) It was the church life that could have been; a nice and normal church building to attend like the rest of my extended family, as opposed to the wacky Hebrew Rootsy church we went to.
But I knew it was leavened, just from witnessing the fruit of my uncles and aunties and observing how my cousins turned out, but I suppose I wanted to have a look myself. They preach tithe, every sermon they'd have the offering baskets and it made me sicker and sicker each time, even before I knew how bad it was. Among some other strange things, they are also calvinist, which I think contributed to the deathly cold vibes I got from the place. They don't have any significant forms of evangelism besides inviting people to church. It seems the thinking is, "God will save who we will save therefore there's no point in trying to get people saved." It was very difficult to talk to people and the conversation often felt superficial.

I used to tell christians that me and my siblings grew up with "unstable theological foundations" after explaining to them the strange cherry-picked Jewish traditions of my parents and how they seemed to have drastically different beliefs every 5 years. But I've now realised that there is far fewer people with stable theological foundations because they are not truely resting upon Jesus Christ.
There are so many people I know and cherish, whether they identify as a Christian or not, that I desire so strongly to share the truth with. But there's so much I have to learn, and yet so much work needed to be done on myself as well.

Which is why I'm so happy and thankful unto God there's a whole bunch of people here online that I can trust to help me with that! Thank you for reading my very long introduction and I hope I didn't bore anyone too much; I may have overshared a fair bit but it seemed good to share what I have.
I so appreciate Chris', Lorraine's, and everyone else's continual hard work they put into this ministry and I thank and praise the Lord for it. I've already learned more than I've ever known my whole life and I look forward to learning even more about the truth of God's Word.
I pray that one day I would be a blessing to you all some day and I look forward to conversing with everyone!

God bless you all! ;D
For God is my King of old, working salvation in the midst of the earth. - Psalm 74:12

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Re: Hello from NZ!
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2020, 07:08:14 PM »
This is one of the most well-written and interesting introduction posts I've ever read on this forum. I appreciate you writing it, it was great to read.

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We then began attending this church building of the denomination "The Living Church of God". I remember few specifics of what they taught, but it was very culty. From what I understand from what my sister told me, to join you needed to do weeks (may have been a year) of home "bible study" using their resources and recordings. Then you needed to have some interviews with them, and you also needed to pay a significant portion of your income for tithe (more than 10% I think.)
That is almost identical to what Freemasons have to do to join their Luciferian cult.

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The services seemed to stretch on for eternity and I never learned a thing.
That is almost identical to every church building I've ever been in.

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This whole time I understood nothing about Jesus Christ, who he was, what he did or why it was so crucial. I grew up with the impression that the entire New Testament was false. My dad fell for the "Paul was a liar" junk and would repeatedly say "The Lord our God is one Lord" with the implication that Jesus couldn't be God because then that would make God more than one.
I just wanted to let you know that it is on my "to-do" list to write a teaching on the "Paul vs Christ" cult because I have run into people who follow after their lies, and once a Christian begins to see how little those people understand the doctrines of the New Testament, their cult is not much more than comical.

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For many various motivations and reasons, none of them being very legitimate, I attended the Reformed Church for a few months (I stopped going about one and a half months ago so this was recent.) It was the church life that could have been; a nice and normal church building to attend like the rest of my extended family, as opposed to the wacky Hebrew Rootsy church we went to.
As far as I have seen, any church building that calls itself "reformed" is usually just "reforming" to the doctrines and traditions of men, or reverting back to the Old Testament temple rituals. That's why I have found the use of the word 'reformed' to be very deceptive, and it's how they draw people in.

Again, great introduction post, and I thoroughly enjoyed reading that. I'm confident that the Lord God will use you with your past experiences to help reach others with proper Biblical doctrine, to untie the vast philosophical knots that the Devil has created in their hearts and minds.
The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit.
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Re: Hello from NZ!
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2020, 07:11:31 PM »
Hi Joshua

I really enjoyed reading your introduction and I'm so glad you have found CLE. 

I also live in New Zealand, I live in Dunedin.  Reading your introduction I'm guessing that you probably live in Auckland or maybe now just more north of Auckland.  I am a science graduate from the University of Otago and majored in biochemistry and have a lot of microbiology and other related stuff too.  In the biochemistry department they actually don't push "evolution" as the whole fable is flawed on so many levels.  One of the lecturers made a comment once about evolution and I didn't completely catch it but it made about half of the class laugh.  Anyone doing biochemistry should know that evolution is totally impossible.

At the moment I work for the University of Otago in the School of Pharmacy but I don't have anything to do with pharmaceuticals and know next to nothing about "pharmacy" but rather I work on agricultural and horticultural projects.

Anyway, welcome to the forum and I hope you stick around and you find CLE to continue to be an excellent source of information that causes you to continue growing and to be a great place of fellowship with like minded Christians.

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Re: Hello from NZ!
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2020, 07:49:36 PM »
Hello Joshua,
I appreciate your introduction and I enjoyed reading it.

As far as your pro-life group, just start telling the truth to the members about abortion.

 Here is the best source of information on the subject that I know of:
http://www.creationliberty.com/articles/abortion.php

Maybe you should see this as an opportunity to educate some folks on the truth about abortion before they abandon the group or throw you out on your ear.  ;)

I've found that preaching the truth about things is very effective for sanctifying unbelievers from your life.

Welcome to the forum.
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Re: Hello from NZ!
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2020, 09:37:25 PM »
Hi Chris,
That's very kind of you to say thank you! I am glad both you and Kevin and Kenneth found it enjoyable.
I recently just finished listening to the freemason teaching; now that you point that out I am alarmed at the similarities.
I'll be looking forward to that article, I don't really understand their claims so it will be very useful for me.
I've visited a fair few different church buildings in the past year and the Reformed Church is definitely the most traditional out of them all. Their services are very structured and it's pretty much the exact same every time. They have also kept away from the more modern church building approach to worship sessions (like a band etc), they are quite reserved. Not saying that these are all bad things necessarily, but there is definitely a reverence for tradition and for the writings and catechisms the church is built upon.

Hi Kevin,

Very cool to see another kiwi on here! You guessed very correctly, I am from Auckland, specficially out west. My parents live about an hour north which is where I lived when I went to highschool.  I'll have to swingby Dundedin sometime then!  I've been there once and I quite liked the place.

I find that very interesting that you say biochemists know evolution isn't possible.  In high school evolution was something that really caused me so to doubts whether God truly existed or not on a regular basis, even up until last year. 95% of people I interacted with or would observe had such a confidence in the theory and you were made to feel dumb if you questioned it because it was surely scientific fact. Espcially since they teach it so heavily in high school as well.
Since understanding the foolishness of it all (the teachings Chris really helped with that) I've wondered what people researching in these areas, and related areas, actually thought of evolution. I'm very interested to also know more about your experience working the university and also what you're working on as well!

Hi Kenneth,

Indeed Chris' article really cuts to the heart of the matter, it's a spiritual battle that's being fought here, not a cultural or politcal one. It really does feel like everything we're doing on campus doesn't accomplish anything. Though I thank God the club at least exists, because I think through its mere existance it sends a message to everyone on campus that abortion is wrong.

I'm slowly realising that telling others the truth and standing firm on what the Word says will be the most effective way of get people to stay away from me. I just need to grow thicker skin for when the conflict arises haha.


Cheers for the warm welcome guys 🙂 I wish you all wonderful day/night depending on where you are.

Best Wishes,
Joshua JZB
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Re: Hello from NZ!
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2020, 11:10:40 PM »
Welcome Joshua :-)
and thank you for your wonderful introduction.  It really is interesting to hear about your experiences and so we can get to know you :-)
Praise God that He led you to repentance, and that you continue to seek Him.

Like you, i am thankful to have found this group, of like-minded Christians, who seek the truth, and want to study God's Word.
And i am thankful the Good Lord has led you here.

God Bless you, too :-)



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Re: Hello from NZ!
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2020, 01:56:20 PM »
Hi Josh! I, too very much enjoyed reading your introduction. I hope you do get down to Dunedin sometime and can meet Kevin. He's a pretty cool guy. He gets into debates with people at work all the time and most of them HATE it because they have no rational arguments against him other than that they don't WANT to believe what he's saying. So they come up with all types of excuses. It's like, 'I'm comfortable with what I believe, so don't confuse me with facts.' People can be so stubborn...


Anyway, looking forward to getting to know you and having discussions with you! I pray that we can all learn and grow together. This is the only place I've found to have like-minded Christians to talk to and fellowship with.

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« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2020, 04:57:09 PM »
Hi Kevin,

Very cool to see another kiwi on here! You guessed very correctly, I am from Auckland, specficially out west. My parents live about an hour north which is where I lived when I went to highschool.  I'll have to swingby Dundedin sometime then!  I've been there once and I quite liked the place.

I find that very interesting that you say biochemists know evolution isn't possible.  In high school evolution was something that really caused me so to doubts whether God truly existed or not on a regular basis, even up until last year. 95% of people I interacted with or would observe had such a confidence in the theory and you were made to feel dumb if you questioned it because it was surely scientific fact. Espcially since they teach it so heavily in high school as well.
Since understanding the foolishness of it all (the teachings Chris really helped with that) I've wondered what people researching in these areas, and related areas, actually thought of evolution. I'm very interested to also know more about your experience working the university and also what you're working on as well!
Hi Joshua

Jeanne summed up my situation in the workplace really well  :)

If the situation with the school teachers wasn't such a serious problem, then I would have laughed about them and their teaching of evolution.  If I were able to sit in a classroom when a teacher was teaching that nonsense and been able to ask some pertinent questions and make some comments then immediately the teacher would be made to look like the "village idiot" in front of all of the students.  It would even be fun to start teaching them why "evolution" is totally impossible and why life can only have ever been created by God.  I've got more than 35 years of biochemistry and microbiology to back me up so the job wouldn't be too difficult ;)  From what I have seen of school teachers over the years they think they know far more than they actually do and only use their supplied Babylonian school materials as their knowledge base.  I found the "church buildings" are full of them.  No wonder this country has a severe shortage of skilled people and an escalating crime rate. 
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Re: Hello from NZ!
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2020, 04:53:49 PM »
Joshua,

I was able to read through most of your introduction and I welcome you to the forum!  May the Lord continue to give you wisdom from His Word.
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Re: Hello from NZ!
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2020, 06:06:33 PM »
Welcome, Joshua! That was a wonderful introduction. I wish I would have done a better job with mine when I joined the forum. Thank you for sharing all of that with us. It really helps us understand more about you and your background. For being so young, you have quite a history of different "Christian" denominations. It's truly a blessing you are here. I know a little about the Living Church of God. I subscribed to their publications for a brief period of time before the Lord led me here.

I look forward to learning together!
Laura

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Re: Hello from NZ!
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2020, 08:55:24 AM »
Thank you Dee, Jeanne, Tonya, and Laura for your warm welcomes! I look forward to conversing with and getting to know you all. :)

Kevin and Jeanne, it sounds like I should get down there sooner rather than later! Kevin it sounds like you're able to make quick work with getting people to face the truth, so much so that their only option is to run. I must pick your brain about evolution, I've yet to hear a perspective from anyone with a background in microbiology or biochemistry.
It's a real shame that the teaching of evolution is only one of the poisonous philosophies they try infecting the youth with. It's a significant reason that draws me to want to become a teacher myself, so I can subtly teach people to think.

Great hearing from you all!

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Re: Hello from NZ!
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2020, 04:10:03 PM »
Thank you Dee, Jeanne, Tonya, and Laura for your warm welcomes! I look forward to conversing with and getting to know you all. :)

Kevin and Jeanne, it sounds like I should get down there sooner rather than later! Kevin it sounds like you're able to make quick work with getting people to face the truth, so much so that their only option is to run. I must pick your brain about evolution, I've yet to hear a perspective from anyone with a background in microbiology or biochemistry.
It's a real shame that the teaching of evolution is only one of the poisonous philosophies they try infecting the youth with. It's a significant reason that draws me to want to become a teacher myself, so I can subtly teach people to think.

Great hearing from you all!

Joshua

I'm in the process of removing all of the plasterboard in the house at the moment and putting fibreglass insulation in the walls and fitting new plasterboard and also doing lots of other renovations.  Hence a visit really wouldn't be ideal as it is so difficult renovating a house while living in it and I have stuff everywhere and constantly having to try and deal with the dust problem.

If you like watching Youtube videos, here is some light entertainment regarding Interesting Chemistry, Biochemistry & Maths that show just how impossible it is for life or even the molecules of life to come in to being on their own.

James M. Tour (Rice University)
Building A Nanocar And The Origins Of Life (Very Humourous)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zQXgJ-dXM4


also, how readily can a polypeptide come about just on its own   .....  not even a whole cell   .....  just a functional polypeptide of about 150 amino acids in length.  Very interesting when one does the maths on the topic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1_KEVaCyaA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQoQgTqj3pU

I hope these help you out a whole lot in showing that the whole "evolution" concept is a complete fable.  There is of course genetic variation between animals of the same type such as horses and cows etc but there is no way for new code to come about and the diffrences are only the result of the expressions or non-expressions of existing code.

Your school teachers needed to see videos like these.

Rgrds
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Re: Hello from NZ!
« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2020, 05:08:10 PM »
Wow that sounds like a lot of work, I wish you all the best with that.

Cheers for all of these videos! They look they'll be super helpful, I look forward to watching them.

Joshua
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