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What's New @ CLE / (CORRECTION) Three Men in Gen 18

« on: September 29, 2018, 10:21:17 AM »

I was previously unsure about the identity of the three men mentioned in Gen 18, at first suspecting this was a representation of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. I had a few people contact me and argue with me that the other two men were angels that visited lot in the next chapter, but neither chapter 18 or 19 said that. The problem I had was men and women writing me (or somehow hunting down my cell phone number and trying to call me--a problem I have recently fix so they can't do that anymore) and all they would do is quote Genesis 18:2 and 19:1, and think they had proven the matter:
And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,
-Gen 18:2
And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;
-Gen 19:1
The correction I'm making is that I do believe now that these two angels were the two accompanying the Lord God in chapter 18, but not because of these verses. These two verses do not prove that point, and I had a lot of contention from some folks because of that matter. They got angry with me and departed from our ministry, rather than calmly listening to my argument and discussing it with me, but looking into the matter in more detail, and then getting back with me on it at a later time. I would encourage Christians not to act in such a childish manner with anyone, let alone one another, just because you're unable to prove a point; it just means you need to be patient and study more, until the Lord God gives you the answer.

My initial suspicion as to why it was God in Three Persons visiting Abraham was because of how Abraham was addressing God, both in the plural and singular sense:
And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy [singular] sight, pass not away, I pray thee [singular], from thy [singular] servant: Let a little water, I pray you [plural], be fetched, and wash your [plural] feet, and rest yourselves [plural] under the tree:
-Gen 18:3-4

What I started noticing when I went back over it in more detail is that the plural and singular pronouns were always separated by verse, meaning that Abraham never addressed God with both singular and plural in the same verse. In other books of the Bible, groups are addressed both plural and singular on the basis of agreement with one another, not that they were all speaking at once. Then, later in Genesis 18, there was one instance that really convinced me this was God with two angels, and that's when they separated:
And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD.
-Gen 18:22
So in this passage, because Abraham stood before the LORD, but the other two men started on their journey beforehand, this indicates that the two men were not part of the LORD, but rather, serving his command, and that led me to the conclusion that they more reasonably God with two angels. If these were all one God, and Abraham stood before the LORD, then why would they not all three remain because the three are one? The fact that the two men started out on their own with God staying behind to talk with Abraham demonstrated enough evidence to show the three men were God and two angels.

I had originally taught this in my teaching on God in Three Persons vs Trinity article, but I have since removed it from that. What I now need to apologize to everyone for is that I had, in the past, taught it in my audio teaching, and that's something I cannot go back and fix now. I will do my best to study more to catch those things before I say them; fearing God that I would not knowingly teach something wrong.

On the other hand, never once did any of those people who raised contention against me on the matter ask to sit down and hear my argument on the matter, and walk through the Scripture step-by-step together so we could look at it in more detail. In other words, their real intention was something other than understanding the truth, and all the contact I got on the matter was very aggressive from the start. However, I have also been guilty of doing that very thing; so I too need the same rebuke, and thus, I should watch how I approach these matters also, that I would not judge in hypocrisy, so hopefully, we can all be more charitable to one another in our conversation on the Scripture.

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What's New @ CLE / (ARTICLE) Halloween: Are Christians Lovers of Death?

« on: September 28, 2018, 04:26:35 PM »

This teaching has been rewritten and updated for better quality and accuracy, with more Scripture and references.
http://creationliberty.com/articles/halloween.php

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What's New @ CLE / (VIDEO) Jehovah's Witness: Corruptions of Christianity p9

« on: September 24, 2018, 03:44:42 PM »

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What's New @ CLE / (VIDEO) Jehovah's Witness: Corruptions of Christianity p8

« on: September 17, 2018, 05:49:17 PM »

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General Discussion / Is Street Preaching a proper method of evangelism?

« on: September 14, 2018, 12:52:54 PM »

As men like Kenneth on our forum will testify, many have come to him and told him he shouldn't be out preaching openly to the masses because Jesus did not teach this. I thought of this today as I was studying for a new article I'm working on because, not only did Christ preach openly to crowds MANY times throughout His ministry, but I would like to remind everyone that He said:
What I tell you in darkness [i.e. in secret], that speak ye in light [i.e. openly]: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops. And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
-Mat 10:27

I'll also add this too, since Kenneth has told us that many will tell him that he is only to preach "love" and not repentance. In the next chapter, look what Jesus did:
Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein most of his mighty works were done, because they repented not:
-Mat 11:20
To 'upbraid' means to charge with fault or to reprove for correction and instruction because they had no grief and godly sorrow of their sin, even among those who believed and were healed.

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What's New @ CLE / (ARTICLE) My Notes on the Book of Acts: Chapters 21-25

« on: September 13, 2018, 01:35:28 PM »

http://creationliberty.com/articles/bookacts5.php

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What's New @ CLE / (ARTICLE) Corruptions of Christianity: Catholicism

« on: September 11, 2018, 03:18:35 PM »

Completely rewritten, this is now a free, full-length book with twelve chapters, proving that the Catholic Church has nothing to do with Christianity, and is a cult of antichrist.
http://www.creationliberty.com/articles/religioncatholic.php

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What's New @ CLE / (VIDEO) Jehovah's Witness: Corruptions of Christianity p7

« on: September 10, 2018, 03:51:47 PM »

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Bible Discussion / MOVED: Overview of Christian Doctrine

« on: September 09, 2018, 10:00:26 AM »

This topic has been moved to Wild Emails @ CLE.

http://www.creationliberty.com/forum/index.php?topic=307.0

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Wild Emails @ CLE / Overview of Christian Doctrine

« on: September 09, 2018, 09:59:55 AM »

A man in a Catholic college (who was saved while still in a Catholic college and finishing his degree in nursing) has to do a final presentation in his religious studies class where he interviews a "religious leader." He asked me to do a five question interview, and here were my answers:
Raymond from Pennsylvania:
1) An overview of your religious beliefs
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
-Rom 3:10-12
The Holy Bible is the record of God's creation and interaction with mankind, and the source of truth He preserved for us in this world. The Living God is our creator, and we are fallen in that we were created perfect, but sinned against our creator, which separated us from God, and that sin is what causes us to die in the flesh. If we die in our sin, our spirits will face the destruction of hell, and as stated in Romans, there is none righteous.
The only way to gain the status of righteousness is to have it given (as a gift) to us by the Lord God, and the only way He will give it is when men come to repentance (grief and godly sorrow of wrongdoing - 2Co 7:10) and faith alone, in His grace alone. We CANNOT earn our way to heaven by good works.
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
-Eph 2:8-9
Knowing the terror of hell and gift of eternal life through Christ, we therefore persuade men to the saving of their souls, if they will come to repentance to be forgiven their sin, saved, and healed.
And that repentance and remission [forgiveness] of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
-Luke 24:47
Jesus said that those who are saved and healed are "born again," and that we must be born again to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
-John 3:7
This means, just as a child is born into a family, we must be born in the spirit to the family of God; He being our Heavenly Father, and we being His children.
The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
-Romans 8:16
All those who teach contrary to this doctrine are false, meaning they are not of Christ, and though they claim to be "Christians" with their mouths, they are wolves in sheep's clothing, who are not of God. (Mat 7:15) In the end, God will judge all mankind for every word they have ever thought or spoken, every deed they have ever done, and eventually, at the end of the world, every knee shall bow to the Christian God of the Bible, whether they want to or not.
But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
-Mat 12:36
For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
-Rom 14:11

2) What is the Gospel / how do you get to heaven
I think I answered that in point one. The overview of believe is centered around fallen man in sin, being renewed and regenerated by Christ to enter the Kingdom of God.

3) Academic and religious training
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
-2Ti 2:15
We who have experience in understanding the Word of God teach others, there is no "academia" or "religious training." The knowledge and wisdom of God is given, through His Spirit, to those who fear Him.
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.
-Psalm 111:10
Outside of God speaking directly to His prophets, like He did in the Old and New Testament Scriptures, there are two things required to understand the doctrines of Scripture:
1. Study.
2. The Spirit of God.
If one does not study with the Spirit of God, they will not understand His Word, and He structured His Word in such a way that those who are not of Christ would not understand His Word, and therefore, they would fall back and trip over themselves; contradicting themselves and teaching false doctrines.
But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.
-Isa 28:13
Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
-Mat 13:13
There are very many pseudo-Christian cults around the world today (the mass majority of those who claim to be of Christ) who have no understanding of the doctrines, although they claim to understand. This is because there are many false converts among so-called "Christian" sects, and therefore, they have developed a system of "religious training" based on the traditions of men, but the Lord Jesus Christ told us they worship Him in vain because of their false doctrines.
Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
-Mark 7:7
We who are of Christ are warned to beware the philosophies (i.e. way of thinking) of the world and the traditions of men:
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
-Col 2:8
Therefore, no institution of religious training was ever initiated or approved by God, except for those in the church. There is also no requirement, other than the Lord God granting understanding of His Word by His Spirit. In fact, those with titles and fancy degrees are almost never called by God to teach His Word:
For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: That no flesh should glory in his presence.
-1Co 1:26-29 
God chooses those who are weak, despised by the world, those who are hated and lowly, and so it is the least likely the world would consider that God chooses to teach His Word, so that no man would ever glory himself; that only the Lord God would be glorified. Yet, the world today believes that "academia" and "religious institutions" and "licences and certifications" are all what are necessary to understand the Word of God and teach it, and that's a lie; The Lord God does not operate in that manner. In reality, most of them are after money and prestige, in other words, they are covetous in the sinful nature of their wicked hearts.
And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
-2 Peter 2:3
Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly [i.e. they teach false doctrines to make money and feed themselves]; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
-Rom 16:17-18

4) What was your motivation for getting into ministry
I can't really say, other than it was a desire the Lord God put in my heart. I never really had a passion for teaching until after I was born again in the Lord Jesus Christ in September of 2002. From that point on, most of the steps in my life were to try and bring me closer to that goal. Yet, I was trained after the world in the beginning, and I sought to try to earn a lot of money so I could work in ministry, but about 10 years ago, I finally had enough and just started doing the work of teaching, and the Lord God blessed me for it. To this day, I still don't have much support, but the teaching of the Gospel I have done has gone out to tens of thousands of people around the world, and though most of them will not hear, I thank God for the few who have hearkened to His Word.
Come to find out, after looking at recent statistics from polls taken in the U.S., about 3 out of every 4 pastors in church buildings confess that they don't believe they were ever called to be a pastor or teacher; yet, they go through the seminary religious training, and get "certified," but they do not have the Spirit of God because they never came to repentance (i.e. grief and godly sorrow of wrongdoing).
I document that information here: "False Converts vs Eternal Security"

5) What if anything makes Christianity different from other religions 
Many things.
--First and most importantly, the foretelling of future events in the prophecy of His Word; predictions very specific and accurate to history which were foretold hundreds and sometimes thousands of years before they happen, all with 100% accuracy. For example, there have been many scoffers over the centuries who have attempted to prove wrong the prophecies of the book of Daniel because in it, the predictions of all the major world empires throughout history were told long before they happened. No one has ever been able to prove that book wrong, and all historical documentation indicates Daniel wrote those things down before the events took place. The Bible is full of such prophecy that anyone could see that the Lord God is real, He left us that evidence to be able to see for ourselves and believe, and that all other gods are false.
--Secondly, the Christian God of the Bible is the only way to account for reason, logic, good, evil, morals, math, science, etc. To put it more clearly, there is no other god in any other religion (e.g. Hinduism, Islam, Buddhism, Catholicism, Atheism, Mormonism, Evolutionism, Jehovah's Witnesses, etc.) that can justify the existence of right, wrong, good, evil, reason, logic, science, mathematics, etc. I discuss that in more detail here: "Everything You Need to Know About Atheism"
--Thirdly, the perfection of the Word of God in His Holy Bible, specifically, in the King James Bible (i.e. no other new-age version can compare because they all have contradictions and errors). There are some other cults out there (i.e. Catholicism, The Watchtower Society, The Latter-Day Saints, etc) who have a version of the bible that they claim to be "perfect," but these can be easily exposed; the King James Bible, however, has no error or contradiction, and those who study it understand this. (It should be noted that these others cults hate the KJB for that reason.) The Word of God is like sword that pierces the hearts of mankind, and this is because the Lord God has told us that He has written His law on the hearts of mankind (Rom 2:15). Therefore, when we give them the law, it strikes a blow to their hearts, typically resulting in them getting angry and upset when we do so because they remain in their willful ignorance that they already know the truth, and the Bible says they are without excuse for knowing Him and the truth of His Word:
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
-Rom 1:18-20
They are not angry because we are mean and nasty with them, but we speak to them out of loving care for their eternal soul, that they would come to repentance to acknowledge the truth, but they get angry because the truth of their guilt of sin against the Living God is already known in their hearts. We do not use the carnal weapons of warfare, like other religions (e.g. Islam), but we use the doctrines and philosophy of Christ to pull down the fake imaginations of their pagan stronghold.
For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
-2Co 10:3-5
--The final point I'll make is that the Christian God of the Bible has instituted the only religion in the world that offers salvation and entrance to heaven as a free gift by His grace. Every other religion in the world requires their followers to work off their debt of sin, and that is a lie of the Devil. The good works we do are a result of our salvation, that once we come to repentance and faith in Christ, we then do good works (bring forth fruits) out of obedience to He who saved us, but they are not a requirement to enter heaven.
Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance,
-Luke 3:8
We earn reward for our good works, but salvation, heaven itself, and the relationship we have with our Creator, are not earned; they are given freely by His mercy.
For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
-Mat 16:27
And refused to obey, neither were mindful of thy wonders that thou didst among them; but hardened their necks, and in their rebellion appointed a captain to return to their bondage: but thou art a God ready to pardon, gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and forsookest them not.
-Neh 9:17
When standing before the Judgment Seat of the Holy God, there is only one thing we can rely on to save us, and that is the mercy of the Lord Jesus Christ. Without that, all who stand in judgment of God will be thrown into everlasting hellfire (See "Hell Is Real And Many People Are Going There"), never to escape, but those who have that repentance and faith in Christ, will enter into life eternal.
He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
-1Jo 5:12
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
-1Ti 2:5
If anyone reading this has any questions, contact us at www.creationliberty.com.

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Bible Discussion / Answering the Mandela Effect Absurdity

« on: September 03, 2018, 10:37:47 PM »

For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
-Acts 20:29-30

I'm making this quick post because I don't believe this subject is worth an article or an audio teaching, not to say that I'll never write one, but I think it's a waste of my time, and I want a quick link response I can give to everyone who contacts me (or who posts on the forum) about this garbage. Yes, you read correctly, the Mandela Effect nonsense is absurd garbage. I have no kinder way to put this: This is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard in my life, and it is so simplistically deceptive, I think it's embarrassing for the church that we would even have to address it, so I'm going to be very firm and direct in this post. (i.e. It's not that I don't want to patient with born again Christians, but I'm tired of the emails I've received on this matter from churchgoers trying to argue it.)

The fact is, if you believed and accepted the Mandela Effect garbage, the following apply to you:
1. You have been fooled.
2. You have denied the Christian God of the Bible.
3. You have denied the preserved Word of God in the King James Bible.

Surprisingly, I hadn't heard the name "Mandela Effect" until this past year (2018), but about two years ago, I had a guy who used to be a regular listener depart from our ministry over this topic because I tried to explain to him how ridiculous it was. He was so brainwashed into this concept, he departed into a cult, so I believe my uncompromising position on this is justified because it is not an "effect" that is deceiving people, but rather, it is the whole "conspiracy movement" and "Mandela-Effect cultists" that are of the Devil and deceiving people.

I can't remember the man's name now, and his conversation with me was over Skype and I didn't record it, so I can't go back and demonstrate it, but we'll call him "Joe" for the time being. Joe calls me up and wants to talk about this, and he started bombarding me with tons of examples, which is pretty much how everyone who has ever talked to me about the Mandela Effect has approached me. (They also start talking to me almost hysterically, like with anxiety, like they can't even get their thoughts together, which is not good.)

Here's what they do: They'll give an example of a commonly understood concept, name, place, character, movie scene, verse, etc, and then show you that the reality is different. Commonly, they'll start by showing you media examples, then deceptively slip that into the Bible. This is claimed to be "the Devil" changing things in real time to deceive everyone. When Joe contacted me, he started giving me a bunch of examples, and about half of them I refuted before he gave me the "shocking reveal" of the truth. (i.e. I already knew what the truth was through my own experiences, never having heard these examples before, which disproves the Mandela Effect.) I'm not going to go through 100 different examples, I'll just give you a couple to help demonstrate the point.

Joe mentioned the author of the Peanuts cartoon (the one with Charlie Brown) as "Charles Shultz." I told him, "No, that's not correct." Now, keep in mind, I had never heard of this Mandela Effect thing before, he was only showing me these things because he wanted me to believe it was true, but I wasn't falling for it. What he didn't know is that growing up, I took piano lessons with my brother, and while I was waiting for him to finish, I would read the newspaper comics, which had the Peanuts cartoon strip in them every week, and because of that, based on his signature, I knew that his name was actually Charles Schulz, not Schultz. (By the way, "Schulz" and "Schultz" are pronounced the exact same way; they are two different spellings of the same name, so even if someone called him "Schultz" in the media, it's still technically correct.)

Here is a scan of a very old Peanuts cartoon when Charles Schulz was very young. Look at the signature:


In short, the "Mandela Effect" cultists (hereafter called MECs, and yes, it is a cult) are trying to say that people only remember it as "Schultz" because it used to be "Schultz," but because the Devil is distorting time and space, and the Devil was able to change history so we can't fully know the truth. (If you've never heard of this before and you're thinking how stupid it is, don't worry, you're not alone; it is stupid.) However, I already knew it was Schulz, long before I knew what the "Mandela Effect" was, so what the MECs are claiming is actually just a simple matter of childish ignorance.

I'll show you another example Joe gave me to demonstrate that point: The Berenstain Bears, also known as the Berenstein Bears. The MECs will say, "You've always known them as the Berenstein Bears, but it's now been changed to Berenstain Bears with an "a" instead of an "e." Again, this is based on childish ignorance because the actual name is Berenstæin Bears because it's an Anglo-Saxon letter "ash," (like the words anæsthetic, archæology, anæmia, encyclopædia, gynæcology, hyæna, etc) and in English, both spellings sound the same, and both spellings are correct.

The following is a photograph of two old published videos of the cartoon from the exact time. They are spelled two different ways, and both are correct:


So this should be enough information to show that, if you believe as the MECs do, you are fooled and duped into the doctrine of a religious cult. So how does this affect the Christian religion and the King James Bible? Because these cultists have claimed that the King James Bible has changed over time because of the Devil's influence, which means if the Devil can change God's Word, then that is attributing authorship of God's Word to the Devil, which is the definition of blasphemy.

For example, Joe told me that Isa 11:6 had been changed by the Devil because we always grew up hearing about the "lamb and lion" laying down together, but Isa 11:6 says:
The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
-Isa 11:6
The problem is that a number of generations, especially ours in digital media, have been influenced heavily by images. Many childrens' books I remember looking at in church buildings growing up had the lion laying down the with the lamb, but that does not mean the Bible was changed, it just means that someone taught it wrong, and chose to trust in images, rather than the written word.

Also, if you look closely in Isa 11:6, you'll see that the young lion is also mentioned lying down with the calf. The wolf with the lamb, the wolf with the calf, the lion with the lamb, and the lion with the calf; they all work for the context, and all of them will lie down together. This is not reason to jump to the conclusion that the Devil is manipulating space/time to alter the Word of God so mankind can never know the truth, and that's the entire purpose of the MECs. (i.e. The MECs are not Satanists, but they do the bidding of Satan by teaching this deceptive philosophy.)

If you believe that the Devil is changing the Word of God, then you don't believe this:
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
-Mat 24:35
If the Devil has changed the Word of God at any time, that means God has allowed the Devil to manipulate His Word, and thereby, he has also changed the knowledge that mankind has received from heaven. If the MECs were correct, that would mean we cannot know if ANYTHING in Scripture is true because we are unable to determine what has been manipulated. Consider for a moment, what if something was changed by the Devil in Scripture 200 years ago? What if no one is still alive to verify the change? It means no one could ever know the truth, and it also means that God's Word has already passed away because it was changed, and that would make God a liar, because the Bible says His Word is purified:
The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
-Psalm 12:6-7
pure (adj): free from moral defilement; without spot; not sullied or tarnished; incorrupt; undebased by moral turpitude; holy; genuine; real; true
If you believe in the false doctrines of the MECs, should we trust that God put that verse in there, or did the Devil put it in there to deceive you? You can't know in their cultic worldview. There's a Bible verse for those conceited cultists as well:
Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
-Pro 26:5

The bottom line is that there are many preachers and artists who teach the Bible wrong. I've pointed that out in many of my teachings. Thus, what the MECs are doing is, in their willful ignorance, taking the errors of pastors and artists, and putting the blame on God because, only by the will of God can His Word be changed. Many of you have learned things wrong in your childhood, which is the fault of the adults who came before, so instead of claiming there's a gigantic space/time conspiracy that's constantly changing the Word of God so it can't be known (which is their excuse not to study for the understanding of doctrine), let's have faith in the Lord God, have the humility to correct our childish errors, and teach the truth properly so the next generation isn't deceived by this "Mandela Effect" garbage.

As a final note, I have people write me frequently, telling me to "investigate" the Mandela Effect, assuming that I've never done it. In fact, I have, and I've had quite a few emails about it, but the problem was that, when I looked it over, it was so incredibly stupid, unreasonable, unbiblical, and nonsensical, I ignored it. In other words, just because I ignored it for it's deception, doesn't mean I haven't looked into it. Also, almost everyone I've told this to (who believed the ME) has departed from our ministry, and there were some people donating to us to help my wife and I provide for ourselves while I work, who stopped their donations as soon as I wrote this short expose, and I would say, "Praise God for that; that we are sanctified for the truth of His Word."
I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil... Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
-John 17:15-17
I would appreciate if people would start asking me what I've researched, instead of just assuming in ignorance because I didn't publish any information on our website about some cult's backwards doctrine.

If you have believe in anything coming from the Mandela Effect cult, repent (grief and godly sorrow of wrongdoing), turn away from the false doctrine, and turn to God. You'll be in good company here.

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What's New @ CLE / (VIDEO) Jehovah's Witness: Corruptions of Christianity p6

« on: September 03, 2018, 02:24:15 PM »

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What's New @ CLE / (VIDEO) Jehovah's Witness: Corruptions of Christianity p5

« on: August 27, 2018, 02:47:47 PM »

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Bible Discussion / Vague Accusation = Murmur

« on: August 23, 2018, 09:21:49 AM »

I found it; finally after all these years, I think I can put a Biblical word to it. Vague accusation would be called "murmuring." I'm writing this in general, not to any one person, because I've experienced this countless times, especially over email.

The confusion is that murmuring is typically considered people speaking under their breath, in a low voice, or what I would call a cowardly manner, not coming forth to speak clearly and openly. However, it has another meaning in Scripture that I found in my research today.

murmur (n): a complaint half suppressed, or uttered in a low, muttering voice

In the instance of a verbal murmur, it's done in a low voice; however, in writing, that tone cannot be expressed, and it ends up being a complaint half-suppressed, meaning that it's a sideways attempt at bringing forth a complaint, rather than being straightforward.

How long shall I bear with this evil congregation, which murmur against me? I have heard the murmurings of the children of Israel, which they murmur against me.
-Num 14:27

The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven. And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven? Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.
-John 6:41-43

In this instance, they were uttering complaints under their breath, instead of coming straight out and accusing him directly. However, the general concept of murmuring is not speaking openly and straightforward.

And there was much murmuring among the people concerning him: for some said, He is a good man: others said, Nay; but he deceiveth the people. Howbeit no man spake openly of him for fear of the Jews.
-John 7:12-13

The Lord God wants us to be open, honest, and straightforward, not to mutter under our breath, or present accusations that are disguised as questions, or present complaints that wear the costume of a compliment. I am often, VERY often, criticized for drawing out murmurings, being falsely accused of being prideful because most other people think I'm just "trying to be right," but it is a matter that, when I see sin, or the things that God hates, like murmurings, I will point them out, even if everyone hates me for it, because to do what is right and turn people away from sin to the Living God is pleasing in His sight; it also stops the leaven before it begins, and let's others know that they also need to fear God.

Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.
-1Ti 5:20

There are many who don't do this because they are afraid; not of God, but of men. They do not put their trust in God that they will be protected from the wicked.

The fear of man bringeth a snare: but whoso putteth his trust in the LORD shall be safe.
-Pro 29:25

So no matter how many people that come on here and want to get angry with me about a matter, I'm going to tell the truth. I try to be kind about telling people the truth when they come to me and want to talk about a matter, but I can say with honesty that I have very little patience for murmuring. Those of you who have been in our church for a long time know that if you come to us with straightforward attitude that's completely honest, we don't berate, badger, or condemn you.

Let's all do our best to be perfect before our Father in Heaven and cut out all murmuring from His church.

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Wild Emails @ CLE / Deceiving to Justify His Idolatry

« on: August 14, 2018, 04:42:05 PM »

Luis from California
Hey Christopher I have a question regarding your article  on Christian symbols such as the Cross and the Icthys fish. I understand that they definitely have pagan origins and that there is many verses condemning idolatry. But in the New Testament Jesus comes healing the sick renewing the dirty of Sin simply by touching them or speaking to them, he is bringing life out of people who where already dead. Why can this not be applied to the symbols we see now.
Because that's what pagans/heathen do, and we are not to learn, and follow after, their ways (Jer 10:2).
Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.  And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
-Acts 17:29-30
But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
-Acts 15:20
These verses are very simple and easy to understand, but I won't expect that everyone would understand them immediately, so is there something specific about these verses that you don't understand?
Regeneration of our souls does not mean Christ regenerated the traditions of the pagans, and that you would even attempt to imply that--where are you learning this from?
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
-Col 2:8-9
Christ is defined as the Godhead in Col 2, and Acts 17 said we ought not to think that man's device (i.e. man's invention or creation) represents the Godhead. Is there something about that you don't understand?
Jesus even tells John not to rebuke those driving out demons in his name because any one who is not against you is for you despite them doing it in the wrong way.
Don't just paraphrase it, quote the specific verses and then explain what you mean. You're asking questions about doctrine, so let's make sure we take the time and put in the effort, even in our writing to one another.
And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye? And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded. And this was known to all the Jews and Greeks also dwelling at Ephesus; and fear fell on them all, and the name of the Lord Jesus was magnified.
-Acts 19:15-17
I do agree that preaching acceptance of everything is wrong and a new age believe, but ultimately God is the Creator of all things Satan simply manipulates them, the origin is not pagan but from God.
Okay, now I have to take a different turn in this letter because that statement you just made showed me you're trying to justify something, and I really wish you would just be more straight-forward and come out to say what wicked thing you're trying to justify. Who is using the pagan symbols you hold dear? Is it your church building? Is it a preacher? Family member? What exactly are you trying to create an excuse for? Please state it simply so we can get to the heart of the matter because if you somehow believe you need these symbols, then you need to provide Scripture to back up your need for them because my Bible says I don't need them; I'll show you my faith by my works:
Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. [It did not say "I will shew thee my faith by my symbols."]
-James 2:18 
For example, God is NOT the creator of traditions of causing children to pass through fire (Lev 18:21), which is another method of abortion. I teach on that here: Abortion: Paganism, Satanism, Sacrifices, and Witchcraft - You just told me in this letter that God is the creator of everything, and by everything, you are including pagan traditions, which is the contextual topic of your letter.
God did not create sin. I don't know where you are learning Scripture from, but if you believe that, you need to get out of that place immediately. Certainly, God is not the creator of idolatry, and He is not the creator of those symbols; and if Satan is the manipulator of them, then why would you ever believe that God takes the things of Satan and makes them His own? A god that would do that is a different god from the Christian God of the Bible. Show me where God has ever done that in the Bible; although I can save you some time because I know for a fact that He has never done that.
I don't exactly think many people link the Cross with a pagan symbol and if it helps spread a message that bring people to repentance in light of what Jesus did on the Cross why condemn these things?
Is the Gospel of Christ about what you personally think? Is it about how people like to perceive things? Or is it about the truth of God's Word?
Sanctify them [i.e. divide them apart to cleanness] through thy truth: thy word is truth.
-John 17:17
Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
-Luke 12:51
(See "The Biblical Understanding of Sanctification" for more details.)

The fact that you believe that a "cross symbol" brings people to the light of the Gospel and repentance only shows your ignorance of the doctrines of Scripture, and it was probably due to the fact that you were traditionally taught that in a leavened church building.

In addition to that problem, you're not asking questions for knowledge, which was rather deceitful because you started out saying you had a question regarding the article I wrote. You don't really have a question; you have an objection, so that's rather deceptive. You asked a question in accusation, in which you're putting the burden of proof on me, which I don't appreciate because you're letter is nothing but your personal opinion; meaning that you haven't provided any Scripture or explanation for your position. (e.g. Like I provided Scripture, references, and explanation in my teaching.) You did NOT write me because you were in agreement, that's clear, and I have little patience for that kind of deception; there's no reason to stand on pretense with me. Just state what you want to say clearly, honestly, and straight-forward, but if you want to make an argument for use of pagan idolatry, then provide your Scripture; if you're unable to provide justification through the Scripture, then I don't really care to read about your personal feelings and opinions on the matter.

There are many other fallacies I could have pointed out in your letter, but I'll wait to see how you respond. In short, the following is the general argument you're making to me (and this comes from our teaching called "Christmas: The Rejection of Jesus"):

A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
-Mat 7:18
Do you believe that a corrupt tree brings forth good fruit?
He never responded.

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Wild Emails @ CLE / Ecumenical Whining About Her Feelings

« on: August 13, 2018, 01:55:20 PM »

Mariska from South Africa:
I came across your website yesterday and found some interesting reads. I agree with most of it but what bothered me was how you interact with people who don't agree with your view - I read the skeptic mail. You don't speak to them out of love.
Then provide your evidence. Saying the letters are "bothering you," is not evidence for your claim. Many people are bothered by the truth. If you want to make an accusation against someone, don't just throw out your personal opinion and expect it to be accepted.
Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me.
-Acts 24:13
I spend a lot of time to back up what I'm saying with quotations and Scripture, and if you read our materials, then you know this. I do this because I care about people like you. So perhaps, instead of being lazy, spending 30 seconds or less writing down your feelings an email (which is what you did if you'll be honest), if you truly cared about me, you should spend the time to do what's right and back up your claims with proof.
I believe that if you approached some of the emails differently, you would have maybe changed someone's mind and heart about Christianity. I feel that you rebuke people (which is right) but you do it without compassion and love.
Notice that you started your sentences with "I believe" and "I feel." I'll be frank with you as well: I don't care what "you believe" and what "you feel." I care about the truth. However, that being said, I'll tell you what: I'm willing to read the last conversation you had with a skeptic. Obviously, since you talk about love and compassion, there's no way you would ever write me an email like this when you don't actually talk with anyone, so I'm sure you have plenty of these types of conversations with people on a regular basis. Send me the email exchange you last had with a scoffer (like an atheist or someone that hates what you when you told them the truth of God's Word), and then show me a better example; I'll take a look at it.
Do not provoke people and call them names.
Now you've accused me of name-calling them, so provide your evidence. Show me specifically where I called them a "name," AND show me where the accusation of what I was saying to them was untrue. Also, it's important to note that the Lord Jesus Christ called wicked men vipers, hypocrites, and white sepulchers, so if you're going to be consistent with your accusations, you need to accuse Christ of not speaking to them out of love.
O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
-Mat 12:34
Rather deal with the questions and others' opinions with respect and answer them out of love with the hope that they will change their hearts.
Provide your evidence that I did not do that. Again, you're just giving me opinions and feelings, but not demonstrating your points. I would presume, if you actually had any love and compassion for me, in hopes that I would change my heart, that you would address this matter thoroughly, taking the time with it to provide specific quotations and Scripture, and then providing your own personal conversations with skeptics to help me understand.
However, I get letters like this all the time, without any Scripture whatsoever because the person writing me typically doesn't know the Bible very well. I'll help you out with that and give you a verse that you may have wanted to use to back up your claim:
And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
-2Ti 2:24-25
You might be thinking, "Yeah, that's a really great verse to prove my point." But you may not have any understanding of the chapter itself, and the verses that come before that:
Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting [ripping out the foundations] of the hearers. Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.  And their word will eat as doth a canker [disease]: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;  Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
-2Ti 2:16-18
But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
-2Ti 2:23
So here's how I'll handle this: Since you didn't ask me any question, but rather, leaped into accusations based on your personal feelings without proof, then I'll wait for your response. If your response is more of the same, then I'll consider it to be vain babblings, and address it according to that. That's both fair and Biblical. Have a great day.
Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
-Proverbs 26:4
[She never responded. I guess she isn't as loving as she claims.]

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What's New @ CLE / (ARTICLE) Christian Symbols Are Not Christian

« on: August 06, 2018, 02:30:47 PM »

This is being reposted on the new forum, since we lost the information on the old forum; that way the links work on the website. Discussion is always open on any of these topics.
http://www.creationliberty.com/articles/symbol.php

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