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Wild Emails @ CLE / Re: Woman Heaping to Herself Many Corrupt Teachers
« on: July 18, 2021, 11:02:53 PM »
I just got another letter from this woman with a half-hearted "apology" for some unknown reason. (I know, it's been 15 months.) I'm going to wait to see how this plays out, and depending on how it does, I may be making an update to this thread.
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General Discussion / The U.S. is NOT a Democracy
« on: July 17, 2021, 05:08:13 PM »
We are a Constitutional Republic. I've said this many times, but this is a short video put out by the Epoch Times that explains it well:
Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil; neither shalt thou speak in a cause to decline after many to wrest judgment:
-Exd 23:2
“A pure democracy can admit no cure for the mischiefs of faction. A common passion or interest will be felt by a majority, and there is nothing to check the inducements to sacrifice the weaker party. Hence it is, that democracies have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have, in general, been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.”
-James Madison, Federalist Papers
I hope that helps everyone understand why we are a Constitutional Republic, which is exactly what God originally set up for the Jews to have as well (until they rejected it for a king).
Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil; neither shalt thou speak in a cause to decline after many to wrest judgment:
-Exd 23:2
“A pure democracy can admit no cure for the mischiefs of faction. A common passion or interest will be felt by a majority, and there is nothing to check the inducements to sacrifice the weaker party. Hence it is, that democracies have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have, in general, been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.”
-James Madison, Federalist Papers
I hope that helps everyone understand why we are a Constitutional Republic, which is exactly what God originally set up for the Jews to have as well (until they rejected it for a king).
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General Discussion / Re: COVID-19 VACCINE
« on: July 17, 2021, 02:10:40 PM »
Here is someone who filmed a man who went into seizures after getting the vaccine, and everyone just sits there patiently watching him while waiting to get their shot. Only God can help the blind.
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General Discussion / I Tried To Tell People Not To Trust Wikipedia
« on: July 17, 2021, 11:14:09 AM »
For many years now, I have told people not to trust Wikipedia. You will notice that on my website, I do not provide references linking to Wikipedia. I have, however, had people write me and do that, and I have told them that Wikipedia is not trustworthy. I have also had a number of them get very angry with me, and others who would not respond after I told them that.
Wikipedia is the lazy man's research website. These lazy people think they can keyword searching a topic and send me a Wikipedia article, and that they have accomplished their goal of proving wrong something I said/wrote. And because they are lazy, they don't realize that they are being scammed, and hate me for pointing it out to them.
The people who write for Wikipedia have a mainstream bias, and are FORCED to have a mainstream bias. I have attempted to correct things that were blatantly wrong on Wikipedia in years past, since they said it was user driven, but they will NOT correct errors on subjects of mainstream leftist bias. The only way to avoid that censorship is to create a new type of sub-section of Wikipedia (which gets much less traffic) to write something different, but the main Wikipedia website must follow mainstream guidelines on any subject, including religion, politics, science, economics, etc... which means you are getting TONS of false and biased information through the site.
Again, I have warned people about this for years, and look what's coming out now...
“Nobody Should Trust Wikipedia” – Co-founder of Wikipedia Larry Sanger
Of course, he's only coming out to say that because Wikipedia is cutting out large portions of conservative information right now, but what's ridiculous is that this has been happening for YEARS on a micro level. This site has been almost completely unreliable outside of getting VERY basic level information (like when someone lived and died) for many years, but only now is this starting to get made known because of the war that is going on right now against the deep state.
You cannot have any website that is built for education without bias. That's impossible because education in general implies morals, and moral standards have to come from faith. Someone has to run the site. Someone has to have the final say. Therefore, that someone WILL be biased, and public opinion is not education.
Why?
Because THEY ARE LAZY.
Wikipedia is the lazy man's research website. These lazy people think they can keyword searching a topic and send me a Wikipedia article, and that they have accomplished their goal of proving wrong something I said/wrote. And because they are lazy, they don't realize that they are being scammed, and hate me for pointing it out to them.
The people who write for Wikipedia have a mainstream bias, and are FORCED to have a mainstream bias. I have attempted to correct things that were blatantly wrong on Wikipedia in years past, since they said it was user driven, but they will NOT correct errors on subjects of mainstream leftist bias. The only way to avoid that censorship is to create a new type of sub-section of Wikipedia (which gets much less traffic) to write something different, but the main Wikipedia website must follow mainstream guidelines on any subject, including religion, politics, science, economics, etc... which means you are getting TONS of false and biased information through the site.
Again, I have warned people about this for years, and look what's coming out now...
“Nobody Should Trust Wikipedia” – Co-founder of Wikipedia Larry Sanger
Of course, he's only coming out to say that because Wikipedia is cutting out large portions of conservative information right now, but what's ridiculous is that this has been happening for YEARS on a micro level. This site has been almost completely unreliable outside of getting VERY basic level information (like when someone lived and died) for many years, but only now is this starting to get made known because of the war that is going on right now against the deep state.
You cannot have any website that is built for education without bias. That's impossible because education in general implies morals, and moral standards have to come from faith. Someone has to run the site. Someone has to have the final say. Therefore, that someone WILL be biased, and public opinion is not education.
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General Discussion / Re: Sex Trafficking Arrests
« on: July 16, 2021, 11:03:34 AM »
Police Arrest 40 During Child Sex Crimes Sting in Arizona
Since no one else is posting anything, I thought I would just provide some updates.
Since no one else is posting anything, I thought I would just provide some updates.
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General Discussion / Re: COVID-19 VACCINE
« on: July 16, 2021, 11:00:24 AM »
CDC whistleblowers say covid vaccines have already killed 50,000 Americans
“As this, in a sense, bioterrorism phase one was rolled out, it was really all about keeping the population in fear and in isolation and preparing them to accept the vaccine, which appears to be phase two of a bioterrorism operation,” McCullough stated during a recent webinar with German attorney Reiner Fuellmich and several other doctors.
“Both the respiratory virus and the vaccine delivered to the human body the spike protein, the gain of function target of this bioterrorism research.”
https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-07-14-cdc-whistleblowers-covid-vaccines-killed-50000-americans.html
“As this, in a sense, bioterrorism phase one was rolled out, it was really all about keeping the population in fear and in isolation and preparing them to accept the vaccine, which appears to be phase two of a bioterrorism operation,” McCullough stated during a recent webinar with German attorney Reiner Fuellmich and several other doctors.
“Both the respiratory virus and the vaccine delivered to the human body the spike protein, the gain of function target of this bioterrorism research.”
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Introduce Yourself / Re: New Member- Returned from Banning
« on: July 14, 2021, 10:55:27 AM »The words you have said are demonstrating to us where your heart is. You don't need to make changes to anything to communicate with us more clearly. Communication isn't the issue, your heart of pride is the issue. You are trying to fix your appearance but the prideful heart is still there, in other words, you are seeking to "clean the outside of the cup and platter," as the scriptures explain.
I just want to add that I agree 100% with what Ellie said here. McKenna, the reason you cannot see what we are seeing, is because of this right here:
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
-2Co 2:13-14
This is not a problem you are going to be able to fix by coming up with new ideas on ways you can phrase your sentences or by giving more creative analogies because the more you write, the more evidence you are providing to us that you have not been born again in Jesus Christ, and you do not care about following Him. As Jesus said to a whole crowd of people who believed on him...
Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not... He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
-John 8:43-47
I have to step in to address this because I don't know if anyone else caught it, but you are a liar McKenna, and I definitely don't trust you now because you have done it (at least) twice since you joined this forum. Here is the process of the conversation:
MCKENNA: "After I was banned, I continued pouring over the website and the youtube sessions. My first full session was the 6 part series on repentance. It was very edifying, and for once in my life I realized I can detect leaven."
ELLIE: "When I first saw this, my heart dropped. The reason for that is because I was hoping to see some evidence of godly sorrow in you (because that is what I hope to see in anyone claiming to be a Christian, of course). But instead, you explained that after you came across the truth of the doctrine of repentance, one of your first reactions was that you can "detect leaven"? This was very disheartening because that is the last reaction that I would expect out of someone who claims to be a Christian that has believed lies about repentance up until now."
MCKENNA: "I got to thinking about it, and I wanted to share a metaphor to really describe where I was when I said "I can detect leaven" And it is a bread metaphor. I feel like this will explain what I am saying. In a land where most everyone eats store bought bread from cradle to grave, God has shown me I can make my own bread. I can make it with simple ingredients, it is wholesome. The store bought bread has preservatives and is ultra refined/processed. I can make bread! Because God has shown me."
You lied. You said you were going to explain "what I am saying" by the phrase "detect leaven" and based on your explanation, what you originally meant by "detect leaven" (i.e. in the FIRST post you mentioned it) was based on the context of what I said in my teaching on repentance. We all know it is a bread metaphor because that's how Jesus Christ used it:
How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees?
-Mat 16:11
But the main point is that you LIED to try to cover yourself once you were called out on it because you then tried to come up with some other explanation for why you said "I can detect leaven." You knew it not make any sense after you got called out on it, so then what you did is try to go back and FEEL out a way (i.e. via the deceptiveness of your own heart) that you could try to twist it in a way that made sense (i.e. thinking that others here would not see right through you), and the reason you did that is because you first ASSUMED that when the idea came into your mind (and that you typed it into a post) that you "detect leaven," that it was automatically from God, so instead of being rebuked that it only came from the selfish thinking of your own deceived heart, you decided to "re-interpret" what you had previously said to make it sound better, and that is exactly the pattern of a liar.
These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
-Pro 6:16-19
God Does Not Justify Lies
Also, Christ's explanation of his analogy is not the same as what you explained it to be:
No longer is the oven obsolete for educated bakers. I no longer have to buy fluffy nutrientless bread. I can make my bread with nutrients, because God has taught me. God has suffered for me to find this website, where I learned to spot leaven, so I can remove it from my day-to-day. I am from a world where I previously believed I would need to either go to the "prime minister" of leaven spotting or educate myself to "prime minister of leaven spotting" levels. It turns out even filthy me can detect leaven, I don't need a saintly authority to do it for me. I don't need fancy false books. This is life changing. I could not will myself to supernaturally know how to make bread on my own.
First of all, that's called the wisdom of the world (or the "wisdom of words", where you make up something in your own heart based on how you feel, and then say "God showed it to you." It's a convenient excuse to say what you want and act like you have the wisdom of God.
For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
-1Co 1:17
That being said, you spoke of "detecting leaven" in the sense that I used it in the teaching I did on repentance. Then you tried to change what you meant (in the same deceptive way you tried to change your definitions on repentance to cover yourself) to talk about "nutrients" in bread, which is not what leaven is. This has nothing to do with eating bread or the nutrients it gives you, and not only is your undefined phrasing of your declaration to "supernaturally... make bread" make no sense at all (because God is not the author of confusion, see 1Co 14:33), but I want to make this abundantly clear:
I DON'T CARE ANYMORE.
I don't care about your wild explanations about all the strange and weird things you keep saying. You are trying to paint outward appearance, and as I told you from the very beginning:"I care about what you believe, not what kind of outward appearance you are trying get me to accept."
-http://www.creationliberty.com/forum/index.php?topic=1392.msg11985#msg11985
It is very obvious to me now that you have NO interest in understanding the doctrines of Christ, and I am glad I changed your profile "belief" setting because I have ZERO evidence that you have anything to do with the Lord Jesus Christ. It is a very difficult thing, McKenna, to claim in arrogance that you can "detect leaven" in the world, when you cannot even see it in your own heart.
And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?
-Luke 6:39
From a philosophical perspective (i.e. concerning your way of thinking), you have not changed one bit since you first joined this forum. You are still trying to get us to accept an outward appearance. Changing what bible version you are using won't make any difference in that regard, and furthermore, you might as well just go back to Sheila Zilinsky because nothing has changed. That would be more philosophically honest because your god is the emotions of your heart, and we will NOT worship your false goddess with you.
The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
-Jer 17:9
He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.
-Pro 28:26
Frankly speaking, I have no idea why you are pushing so hard to be here. Obviously, you are running into opposition with every post you make, which means the people who are on this forum are NOT like-minded with you. So why are you pushing so desperately to be accepted here? Why not just find somewhere else to go?
I can tell you this for certain, there is no magical incantation (i.e. a special formula of words) that you are going to be able to say that will make us accept you as brethren and bring you into the church with us because we can see your heart by what you say, and I will repeat the verse that Ellie so aptly quoted:
But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
-Mat 15:18
We know your heart by the things you say, and you cannot cover that up for those who have spiritual discernment from the Lord Jesus Christ. Again, you should find somewhere else to go because, as you pointed out to us before, you are a very busy woman, and I do not want you to waste your time here.
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Bible Discussion / Re: Forms of chastisement
« on: July 13, 2021, 09:48:33 PM »
I didn't say you were trying to justify something, but you are not being specific enough. I'm not going to go fishing on this one because it would require writing an entire article on just this thread.
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Bible Discussion / Re: Forms of chastisement
« on: July 13, 2021, 07:28:43 PM »
You're not being specific enough. It sounds like you're not asking the question you really want to ask. That's why I don't like these vague questions; it just ends up wasting everyone's time in responding, rather than just getting to the point.
Are love, joy, and peace spiritual or physical? Can they be both spiritual and physical depending on the context? If someone is sad because a loved one died, did God cause that? Could it be yes or no since God oversees all things, allowing the person to die, and then causing the indirect result of that sadness?
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: Their feet are swift to shed blood: Destruction and misery are in their ways: And the way of peace have they not known: There is no fear of God before their eyes.
-Rom 3:10-18
Is this peace spiritual? Can no man know it without God? Is peace simply a feeling that is physical?
These are questions that could go on and on and on. That's why I hate these fishing expeditions. I just want people to quit hiding whatever they really want to ask, and just tell the story and ask it the specific question.
Are love, joy, and peace spiritual or physical? Can they be both spiritual and physical depending on the context? If someone is sad because a loved one died, did God cause that? Could it be yes or no since God oversees all things, allowing the person to die, and then causing the indirect result of that sadness?
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: Their feet are swift to shed blood: Destruction and misery are in their ways: And the way of peace have they not known: There is no fear of God before their eyes.
-Rom 3:10-18
Is this peace spiritual? Can no man know it without God? Is peace simply a feeling that is physical?
These are questions that could go on and on and on. That's why I hate these fishing expeditions. I just want people to quit hiding whatever they really want to ask, and just tell the story and ask it the specific question.
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Bible Discussion / Re: Forms of chastisement
« on: July 13, 2021, 06:28:23 PM »
We can provide all the necessary examples for physical punishments. However, if you're asking the question, it is your responsibility to provide us with examples of spiritual punishment for the children of God, so we know what you're referring to. I'll wait for your response.
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General Discussion / Re: Sex Trafficking Arrests
« on: July 13, 2021, 01:54:01 PM »
You said "local" for each of us.
INDIANA - March 16, 2021
8 men arrested in Jackson County human trafficking sting
INDIANA - March 16, 2021
8 men arrested in Jackson County human trafficking sting
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General Discussion / Re: Sex Trafficking Arrests
« on: July 13, 2021, 12:45:03 AM »
There's tons of this going on from what I've seen, but there's too much to keep track of.
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What's New @ CLE / (WEEKLY TEACHING) Psychology: Hoodwinked by the Devil p10
« on: July 12, 2021, 03:24:10 PM »457
Bible Discussion / Re: What is the True biblical defintion of "Effeminate"?
« on: July 10, 2021, 10:03:52 AM »
On that particular subject, I think you ought to have a look at these:
The Dangers of Using Lexicons and Concordances
The 'Original Greek' Scam
That being said, there is still something very off about what you are saying. Every time you are rebuked, you always blame something external. You always have a list of excuses. You never take personal responsibility for the things you say.
You came into this post to try and teach other people, and what you were doing was not teaching, you were just regurgitating what someone else told you, without any understanding. What you wrote could have potentially fooled other people, including the thousands of people that view this forum (who are not members and just read it). You have no care about what you are doing, you are just doing whatever you feel like doing, which is bad enough, but also, you are in ABSOLUTELY NO position to be teaching anyone anything right now because of how much leaven you confessed (and we can tell that) you have been influenced with. That is complete arrogance, and shows no humility whatsoever.
For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles [i.e. prophets/teachers] of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
-Hebrews 5:12-14
That's why I am seeing you return to these robotic, cookie-cutter posts again, as if you are just saying words and phrases you think will fool other people so they accept your outward appearance, or in other words, you are trying to paint a picture of yourself you think we will accept. You're not doing it just in this post, I saw you doing this on the other thread as well, ever since you came back. You still have given us no testimony of salvation in the Lord Jesus Christ, and yet you claim to be a Christian, and everything you're writing is just blaming others for your wrong.
I'm glad that you told me that you're praying for a repentant heart because that is good, but in the meantime, you are making these arrogant posts in which you don't take any responsibility, and I have to call it out to protect others from being led astray. For now, I think I'm going to change your profile belief from "Christian" to "Other" because I have no idea what it is you actually believe, and since you have no testimony of salvation in Jesus Christ, I have no reason to think you are brethren with us.
The Dangers of Using Lexicons and Concordances
The 'Original Greek' Scam
That being said, there is still something very off about what you are saying. Every time you are rebuked, you always blame something external. You always have a list of excuses. You never take personal responsibility for the things you say.
You came into this post to try and teach other people, and what you were doing was not teaching, you were just regurgitating what someone else told you, without any understanding. What you wrote could have potentially fooled other people, including the thousands of people that view this forum (who are not members and just read it). You have no care about what you are doing, you are just doing whatever you feel like doing, which is bad enough, but also, you are in ABSOLUTELY NO position to be teaching anyone anything right now because of how much leaven you confessed (and we can tell that) you have been influenced with. That is complete arrogance, and shows no humility whatsoever.
For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles [i.e. prophets/teachers] of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
-Hebrews 5:12-14
That's why I am seeing you return to these robotic, cookie-cutter posts again, as if you are just saying words and phrases you think will fool other people so they accept your outward appearance, or in other words, you are trying to paint a picture of yourself you think we will accept. You're not doing it just in this post, I saw you doing this on the other thread as well, ever since you came back. You still have given us no testimony of salvation in the Lord Jesus Christ, and yet you claim to be a Christian, and everything you're writing is just blaming others for your wrong.
I'm glad that you told me that you're praying for a repentant heart because that is good, but in the meantime, you are making these arrogant posts in which you don't take any responsibility, and I have to call it out to protect others from being led astray. For now, I think I'm going to change your profile belief from "Christian" to "Other" because I have no idea what it is you actually believe, and since you have no testimony of salvation in Jesus Christ, I have no reason to think you are brethren with us.
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Bible Discussion / Re: What is the True biblical defintion of "Effeminate"?
« on: July 10, 2021, 01:34:21 AM »
McKenna, I completely agree with Tim, and he gave a really good answer. In addition to that, I don't see how you have the understanding to come here and try to teach everyone else things, when you just admitted to all of us that everything you were saying, doing, and studying was wrong. People who do such things are people that are arrogant (i.e. lifted up in the pride of their own imagined wisdom), that is not someone who has been humbled to repentance.
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What's New @ CLE / (ARTICLE) The Church is Not a Building
« on: July 09, 2021, 03:35:38 PM »
The Church is Not a Building
The Bible never uses the phrase "go to church" because that is impossible.
The Bible never uses the phrase "go to church" because that is impossible.
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