The words you have said are demonstrating to us where your heart is. You don't need to make changes to anything to communicate with us more clearly. Communication isn't the issue, your heart of pride is the issue. You are trying to fix your appearance but the prideful heart is still there, in other words, you are seeking to "clean the outside of the cup and platter," as the scriptures explain.
I just want to add that I agree 100% with what Ellie said here. McKenna, the reason you cannot see what we are seeing, is because of this right here:
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
-2Co 2:13-14This is not a problem you are going to be able to fix by coming up with new ideas on ways you can phrase your sentences or by giving more creative analogies because the more you write, the more evidence you are providing to us that you have not been born again in Jesus Christ, and you do not care about following Him. As Jesus said to a whole crowd of people who believed on him...
Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not... He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
-John 8:43-47I have to step in to address this because I don't know if anyone else caught it, but
you are a liar McKenna, and I definitely don't trust you now because you have done it (at least) twice since you joined this forum. Here is the process of the conversation:
MCKENNA: "After I was banned, I continued pouring over the website and the youtube sessions. My first full session was the 6 part series on repentance. It was very edifying, and for once in my life I realized I can detect leaven."ELLIE: "When I first saw this, my heart dropped. The reason for that is because I was hoping to see some evidence of godly sorrow in you (because that is what I hope to see in anyone claiming to be a Christian, of course). But instead, you explained that after you came across the truth of the doctrine of repentance, one of your first reactions was that you can "detect leaven"? This was very disheartening because that is the last reaction that I would expect out of someone who claims to be a Christian that has believed lies about repentance up until now."MCKENNA: "I got to thinking about it, and I wanted to share a metaphor to really describe where I was when I said "I can detect leaven" And it is a bread metaphor. I feel like this will explain what I am saying. In a land where most everyone eats store bought bread from cradle to grave, God has shown me I can make my own bread. I can make it with simple ingredients, it is wholesome. The store bought bread has preservatives and is ultra refined/processed. I can make bread! Because God has shown me."You lied. You said you were going to explain "
what I am saying" by the phrase "
detect leaven" and based on your explanation, what you originally meant by "
detect leaven" (i.e. in the
FIRST post you mentioned it) was based on the context of what I said in my teaching on repentance. We all know it is a bread metaphor because that's how Jesus Christ used it:
How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees?
-Mat 16:11But the main point is that you
LIED to try to cover yourself once you were called out on it because you then tried to come up with some other explanation for why you said "
I can detect leaven." You knew it not make any sense after you got called out on it, so then what you did is try to go back and
FEEL out a way (i.e. via the deceptiveness of your own heart) that you could try to twist it in a way that made sense (i.e. thinking that others here would not see right through you), and the reason you did that is because you first
ASSUMED that when the idea came into your mind (and that you typed it into a post) that you "
detect leaven," that it was automatically from God, so instead of being rebuked that it only came from the selfish thinking of your own deceived heart, you decided to "re-interpret" what you had previously said to make it sound better, and that is exactly the pattern of a liar.
These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
-Pro 6:16-19God Does Not Justify LiesAlso, Christ's explanation of his analogy is not the same as what you explained it to be:
No longer is the oven obsolete for educated bakers. I no longer have to buy fluffy nutrientless bread. I can make my bread with nutrients, because God has taught me. God has suffered for me to find this website, where I learned to spot leaven, so I can remove it from my day-to-day. I am from a world where I previously believed I would need to either go to the "prime minister" of leaven spotting or educate myself to "prime minister of leaven spotting" levels. It turns out even filthy me can detect leaven, I don't need a saintly authority to do it for me. I don't need fancy false books. This is life changing. I could not will myself to supernaturally know how to make bread on my own.First of all, that's called the wisdom of the world (or the "
wisdom of words", where you make up something in your own heart based on how you feel, and then say "God showed it to you." It's a convenient excuse to say what you want and act like you have the wisdom of God.
For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
-1Co 1:17That being said, you spoke of "detecting leaven" in the sense that I used it in the teaching I did on repentance. Then you tried to change what you meant (in the same deceptive way you tried to change your definitions on repentance to cover yourself) to talk about "nutrients" in bread, which is not what leaven is. This has nothing to do with eating bread or the nutrients it gives you, and not only is your undefined phrasing of your declaration to "
supernaturally... make bread" make no sense at all (because God is not the author of confusion, see
1Co 14:33), but I want to make this abundantly clear:
I DON'T CARE ANYMORE.
I don't care about your wild explanations about all the strange and weird things you keep saying. You are trying to paint outward appearance, and as I told you from the very beginning:
"I care about what you believe, not what kind of outward appearance you are trying get me to accept."-
http://www.creationliberty.com/forum/index.php?topic=1392.msg11985#msg11985It is very obvious to me now that you have
NO interest in understanding the doctrines of Christ, and I am glad I changed your profile "belief" setting because I have
ZERO evidence that you have anything to do with the Lord Jesus Christ. It is a very difficult thing, McKenna, to claim in arrogance that you can "
detect leaven" in the world, when you cannot even see it in your own heart.
And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?
-Luke 6:39From a philosophical perspective (i.e. concerning your way of thinking), you have not changed one bit since you first joined this forum. You are still trying to get us to accept an outward appearance. Changing what bible version you are using won't make any difference in that regard, and furthermore, you might as well just go back to Sheila Zilinsky because nothing has changed. That would be more philosophically honest because your god is the emotions of your heart, and
we will NOT worship your false goddess with you.
The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
-Jer 17:9
He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.
-Pro 28:26Frankly speaking, I have no idea why you are pushing so hard to be here. Obviously, you are running into opposition with every post you make, which means the people who are on this forum are
NOT like-minded with you. So why are you pushing so desperately to be accepted here? Why not just find somewhere else to go?
I can tell you this for certain,
there is no magical incantation (i.e. a special formula of words) that you are going to be able to say that will make us accept you as brethren and bring you into the church with us because we can see your heart by what you say, and I will repeat the verse that Ellie so aptly quoted:
But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
-Mat 15:18We know your heart by the things you say, and you cannot cover that up for those who have spiritual discernment from the Lord Jesus Christ. Again, you should find somewhere else to go because, as you pointed out to us before, you are a very busy woman, and I do not want you to waste your time here.
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