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What's New @ CLE / (VIDEO) Charismatic Gibberish vs Speaking in Tongues p3
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Wild Emails @ CLE / Billy Graham's Dead: His Followers React #2
« on: February 24, 2018, 10:07:42 AM »Stephen from Abilene
It is people like you that make me despise the Fundamental Baptist Churches. You spread hate and lies about fine Christian men and women. I am a Southern Baptist, very conservative. Billy Graham was very clear that there was only one way to heaven. Also, when I preach a city wide crusade, I invite everyone to participate. (Church of Christ, Catholic, whatever) My reasoning is that I control what is preached (I preach what you preach), I control all the counselors (trained evangelical Christians) and I would rather have the seats filled with Church of Christ, Catholics, whatever, so that they will hear the true way of Salvation which is the 4 or 5 "fundamentals of the Gospel". I have a lot of Fundamental Baptist Friends and about the time I decide to worship with them, I read a web site like you. And the attitude or belief that the King James Version is the ONLY version is stupid and just dumb. If you want to take a stand like that then advocate the GREEK VERSION!
My previous post was my true feelings about your web site and what you preach. It was not intended to be hateful but honest about what appears to be a hateful spirit in you. I am sure people say the same about me when I condemn homosexuality, etc. But, a better discussion is to figure out "how you think". How you come up with the silly idea about the King James Version. (I do agree it uses the BEST GREEK and wish we had a modern version based on that Greek). But how can you, a mere human, think you can judge that Billy Graham is in Hell??? The Bible says it is very simple. "Whosoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." Honestly, you come across as legalistic as my Church of Christ friends.
I provided direct quotations with referenced sources, video of Graham making statements, and Scripture to back up everything I said, showing how Graham's doctrine opposes the Word of God. You provided a bunch of whiny opinions with nothing to back it up, so it's clear you don't know the facts or Scripture. The Christian God of the Bible doesn't care about your opinions, because you can only be saved if you are humbled to repentance (i.e. repentance is grief and godly sorrow of wrongdoing), and that's how you gain a love of the truth.
For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
-2Co 7:10
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
-2Th 2:10
You'll end up in hell with Billy Graham if you don't repent. At least I love you enough to tell you the truth and warn you of God's wrath to come. Graham's time ended; he faced judgment and hell, and the clock's ticking for you as well.
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
-Heb 9:27
You can't play church-ianity and enter heaven. I pray the Lord Jesus Christ bless you and your family with all your needs throughout the coming week, and I hope you have a wonderful evening.
There you go again, judging.
How do you conclude that I have not repented of my sins? I knew I was a sinner and I repented and turned my life over to Jesus. But more importantly, I BELIEVED HIS BLOOD paid for all of my sins. He is the only way by His resurrection from the dead and He is living in my heart at this moment. So you did a lot of judging. You come across that what YOU SAY is more important than what GOD SAYS. I know that is not what you believe?
I am trying not to judge you.You did not say one word about FAITH OR BELIEVE. John 3:16 So I am to conclude that you have never placed your faith in Jesus? Of course not, I would never do that.
You did not say a word about CONFESSION (confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus) So am I to conclude that you have NEVER Confessed that Jesus is Lord? Of course not, I would never do that.
You did not say one word about believing Jesus was raised from the dead! So am I to conclude you do not believe that. Of course not.
IF you study the BIBLE, Jesus said the word FAITH many more times than repentance. You did not say one word about Faith. The TRUTH is it is all of the above. You must repent of your sins and place your faith in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Then He is to be the Lord of your life. I AM GOING TO HEAVEN ONLY because Jesus paid the price for my sins by His blood on the cross. That is the bottom line. AND THAT IS THE MESSAGE I HEARD FROM BILLY GRAHAM ALL OF MY LIFE!
AND if you have a "canned" prayer that includes all of the above, THAT WILL NOT SAVE YOU! It is a heart issue. It is being born again. Repentance, Belief, Receiving, Confession
ALSO, people do all of these things many different ways. By praying out loud, by believing and receiving in their heart, by making it all public and repenting to live a life for Jesus, by crying out to Jesus to save them. However, if you are one of those preachers who says, "repent of your sins and say this prayer" you may be leading many to a false Christian life.
There you go again, judging.
As I said, you don't know Scripture, and you don't care. You're proving my point the more you write.
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
-1Co 2:15
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
-John 7:24
We have a teaching in which we rebuke the hypocrisy of people like you who think Christians shouldn't judge anyone.
Unbiblical Cop-Outs: "Don't Judge Me!"
Yet, you have judged me in your letter, which makes you a hypocrite.
QUOTE: It is people like you that make me despise the Fundamental Baptist Churches. You spread hate and lies about fine Christian men and women.
That's judging sir! You just hate RIGHTEOUS judgement from the Word of God because you hate and fight against the Christian God of the Bible in your heart. That's why you love Billy Graham so much, because you hate the Christian God of the Bible. If you loved the Lord God, you would love what I'm teaching because I teach from His Word, but you do not know or understand His Word, and you hate me for the same reason you hate God.
If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
-John 15:19
You also judged me without knowledge.
AND if you have a "canned" prayer that includes all of the above, THAT WILL NOT SAVE YOU!
We don't teach that. You don't know what we teach, which is why you said "if," instead of looking into what we teach; if fact, it's probably the case that you did not even READ the our teaching on Billy Graham; did you? Do you at least have enough honesty in you to tell me the truth? You read the title, maybe opened it, maybe skimmed through it, and then answered us in your hatred; to which the Bible says is foolishness and you should be ashamed.
He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.
-Pro 18:13
You don't even want to see or hear what Billy Graham actually believed and taught. You've simply judged us in your unrighteousness, but I have judged you and Billy Graham according to God's Word. You must repent (i.e. have grief and godly sorrow) of your wicked heart because right now, you're worshiping God in vain, teaching for doctrine the commandments of men.
Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
-Mark 7:7
Until you come to repentance, you won't listen, and thus, I'm wasting my time. If one day you do repent, you know where we are. Have a wonderful day sir.
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Wild Emails @ CLE / Billy Graham's Dead: His Followers React #1
« on: February 23, 2018, 11:43:15 AM »
I've been getting a lot of Billy Graham fans write me hateful and railing letters concerning our teaching on Billy Graham. If you haven't seen our teaching, you can read it here:
Wolves in Costume: Billy Graham
Harold from Alaska:
http://www.creationliberty.com/articles/graham.php
You're not only full of yourself, you're an idiot. Keep it up...
My response:
What you just said to me is what the Bible calls a "railer," which is one who claims to be of Christ, but resorts to evil words, curses, and name-calling. God says they are wicked in their hearts, and we are to sanctify ourselves from them:
But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat... Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
-1Co 5:11-13
I pray the Lord Jesus Christ would bless you and your family with all your needs throughout the coming week, which is how the Bible says we should speak with railers:
Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing.
-1 Peter 3:9
Peace to you and your household; have a wonderful day, and I pray the Lord Jesus Christ would give you repentance to the acknowledging of the truth:
In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
-2Ti 2:25
Wolves in Costume: Billy Graham
Harold from Alaska:
http://www.creationliberty.com/articles/graham.php
You're not only full of yourself, you're an idiot. Keep it up...
My response:
What you just said to me is what the Bible calls a "railer," which is one who claims to be of Christ, but resorts to evil words, curses, and name-calling. God says they are wicked in their hearts, and we are to sanctify ourselves from them:
But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat... Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
-1Co 5:11-13
I pray the Lord Jesus Christ would bless you and your family with all your needs throughout the coming week, which is how the Bible says we should speak with railers:
Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing.
-1 Peter 3:9
Peace to you and your household; have a wonderful day, and I pray the Lord Jesus Christ would give you repentance to the acknowledging of the truth:
In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
-2Ti 2:25
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What's New @ CLE / (ARTICLE) Wolves in Costume: Billy Graham
« on: February 23, 2018, 11:20:20 AM »
I've completely renovated this teaching, cleaning it up, adding in past tense grammar (since he recently died), with much more Scripture and links, along with new quotations to further back up the facts I already had.
http://www.creationliberty.com/articles/graham.php
http://www.creationliberty.com/articles/graham.php
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General Discussion / Scripture Button is Back
« on: February 23, 2018, 10:28:22 AM »
I finally found the files to get the custom Scripture button back on the forum. It's the blue bible image button on your list of options above where you write your posts. Just press it, then insert your Bible verses, and it looks like this:
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
-Gen 1:1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
-Gen 1:1
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General Discussion / Brian Moonan's New Radio Station
« on: February 21, 2018, 02:34:26 PM »
Brian Moonan started a new internet radio station. I thought some of you might be interested. As I'm posting this, he's only got two episodes, but I firmly believe Brian is family in Christ together with us, so you can check out what he's got if you'd like. As a note, I'm not endorsing everything Brian says and teaches (e.g. he still uses the cross symbol on stuff he makes, which is pagan - I understand); I'm just letting you guys know his radio station exists, and I'll probably listen to some of it too.
TRUTH DEALER RADIO
TRUTH DEALER RADIO
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Introduce Yourself / All New Members (READ THIS FIRST!)
« on: February 21, 2018, 01:54:45 PM »
Welcome! We hope you enjoy our discussion here at the CLE Forum. There are a couple things you should know before getting started:
As stated in the Registration Agreement that everyone electronically signed when creating an account, you must make a post in the "Introduce Yourself" section of our forum within 48 hours of registering, or you may have your account deleted. We only want active members joining, and if you simply want to read what's posted, everything on the public section of the forum is available for the general public to view, meaning that no registration is necessary to read.
Please don't just say "Hello." This forum is not an impersonal social media site. Keep in mind that we do not know who you are, and so writing a bit about yourself, your beliefs, how you found this site, why you joined, (if you claim to be a Christian, include the testimony of your conversion and salvation unto Christ), etc; all those types of details will help us get to know you a bit better, and we hope you enjoy conversing with born again Christians here.
Everyone else here has written introduction posts, and you can read them on the "Introduce Yourself" board. Here are examples of well-written introduction posts to help you get started:
http://www.creationliberty.com/forum/index.php?topic=34.msg184#msg184
http://www.creationliberty.com/forum/index.php?topic=959.msg7913#msg7913
http://www.creationliberty.com/forum/index.php?topic=835.msg6850#msg6850
If you are unfamiliar with how to make your first post, simply go to the Introduce Yourself board, and on the top right, there should be a button that says "NEW TOPIC." Click that, and it will get you started.
As stated in the Registration Agreement that everyone electronically signed when creating an account, you must make a post in the "Introduce Yourself" section of our forum within 48 hours of registering, or you may have your account deleted. We only want active members joining, and if you simply want to read what's posted, everything on the public section of the forum is available for the general public to view, meaning that no registration is necessary to read.
Please don't just say "Hello." This forum is not an impersonal social media site. Keep in mind that we do not know who you are, and so writing a bit about yourself, your beliefs, how you found this site, why you joined, (if you claim to be a Christian, include the testimony of your conversion and salvation unto Christ), etc; all those types of details will help us get to know you a bit better, and we hope you enjoy conversing with born again Christians here.
Everyone else here has written introduction posts, and you can read them on the "Introduce Yourself" board. Here are examples of well-written introduction posts to help you get started:
http://www.creationliberty.com/forum/index.php?topic=34.msg184#msg184
http://www.creationliberty.com/forum/index.php?topic=959.msg7913#msg7913
http://www.creationliberty.com/forum/index.php?topic=835.msg6850#msg6850
If you are unfamiliar with how to make your first post, simply go to the Introduce Yourself board, and on the top right, there should be a button that says "NEW TOPIC." Click that, and it will get you started.
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What's New @ CLE / (BOOK) Feminism: Castrating America
« on: February 20, 2018, 01:11:26 PM »
FEMINISM: CASTRATING AMERICA
How the Feminist Movement Has Destroyed the Liberty of Americans by Persecuting Men in the Family Unit
Feminists have taught us that women are oppressed, abused, and cheated in America, but the truth is the exact opposite. Women have been sheltered, protected, and valued to the point that the American woman is the most privileged creature to ever walk the face of the earth. This book documents hard facts to prove that feminism is abusing and destroying the already under-privileged men in our society, and they break down families through lies and manipulation.
http://creationliberty.com/store.php#3
How the Feminist Movement Has Destroyed the Liberty of Americans by Persecuting Men in the Family Unit
Feminists have taught us that women are oppressed, abused, and cheated in America, but the truth is the exact opposite. Women have been sheltered, protected, and valued to the point that the American woman is the most privileged creature to ever walk the face of the earth. This book documents hard facts to prove that feminism is abusing and destroying the already under-privileged men in our society, and they break down families through lies and manipulation.
http://creationliberty.com/store.php#3
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What's New @ CLE / (TRACT) Jail Ministry and Prisoners
« on: February 20, 2018, 01:06:05 PM »
One of the men in our church, who evangelizes to prisoners, got together with me, and we developed a tract to hand out to prisoners. I have heard some preachers teach fervently that tracts are useless, but these preachers have obviously never been in the prisons because the prisoners ask for them frequently to have something to read. I hope this will help any of you who are called to preach to those in jail. You can download it free here:
http://www.creationliberty.com/tracts.php
http://www.creationliberty.com/tracts.php
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What's New @ CLE / (ARTICLE) The Biblical Understanding of Idolatry
« on: February 20, 2018, 12:58:31 PM »
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What's New @ CLE / (CORRECTION) Pre-Wrath Tribulation and Rapture
« on: February 20, 2018, 12:56:31 PM »
I renovated this small section of our teaching: Beginner's Guide to Tribulation & Rapture
I previously had said the Pre-Wrath teaching was in error, but Pre-Wrath is correct to Biblical doctrine. Here is the update:
The concept of "Pre-Wrath" isn't new; it's a new name to distinguish itself from other false doctrines. Pre-Wrath is actually Post-Trib, but there are a lot of people who have confused the seventh seal of God's wrath as part of the tribulation of the saints, and that's not what Scripture teaches.
Before I explain this, I want to apologize and correct my error a few years ago; teaching that Pre-Wrath was incorrect. The problem was that I listened to the arguments from men like Kent Hovind (who I rebuke today for his leaven and false doctrine in many areas), and the only argument he presented for the Pre-Wrath position was that Christians were not appointed to wrath:
For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
-1 Thessalonians 5:9
This was not a sound argument alone because the Lord God can, and has, poured out his wrath on wicked people without touching one hair on the head of his elect. (e.g. The Exodus of the Jews from Egypt, the lamb's blood on their doors, etc.) However, the wrath of God on the Day of the Lord is a separate event from the tribulation of the saints and the rapture of Christians on Christ's return.
And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
-Revelation 6:12-13
As we learned earlier in this teaching, the sun, moon, and stars going dark is one of the signs of Christ's return to rapture out His saints. Christ describes the persecution of the saints, and final antichrist declaring himself to be the Messiah in the temple.
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
-Matthew 24:29-31
It should be noted that right after those verses, Christ tells them to learn the parable of the fig tree. You'll notice that the stars falling to heaven in Revelation 6 are described as "a fig tree," and so it seems God wanted everyone to be able to see and understand this as easily as possible.
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
-Matthew 24:4
After this rapture happens (the bodily resurrection of the saints and all are seen to be taken up into heaven), God opens the seventh seal. There is a span of silence across the heavens for 30 minutes, then His wrath comes down hard and furiously on the unbelievers and false converts left behind in the world, and He does this through seven angels He sends one at a time.
And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.
-Revelation 8:1-2
So the tribulation of the saints and the wrath of the God are two separate events. The tribulation happens during seals 1-5, the sixth seal is the sign for the return of Christ, and after His return and rapture, then the seventh seal is the wrath of God on the world. Thus, Pre-Wrath is the same as Post-Trib, only that some people have chosen to give it a new name to distinguish it from a variety of false doctrines that have arisen over the past two centuries.
I previously had said the Pre-Wrath teaching was in error, but Pre-Wrath is correct to Biblical doctrine. Here is the update:
The concept of "Pre-Wrath" isn't new; it's a new name to distinguish itself from other false doctrines. Pre-Wrath is actually Post-Trib, but there are a lot of people who have confused the seventh seal of God's wrath as part of the tribulation of the saints, and that's not what Scripture teaches.
Before I explain this, I want to apologize and correct my error a few years ago; teaching that Pre-Wrath was incorrect. The problem was that I listened to the arguments from men like Kent Hovind (who I rebuke today for his leaven and false doctrine in many areas), and the only argument he presented for the Pre-Wrath position was that Christians were not appointed to wrath:
For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
-1 Thessalonians 5:9
This was not a sound argument alone because the Lord God can, and has, poured out his wrath on wicked people without touching one hair on the head of his elect. (e.g. The Exodus of the Jews from Egypt, the lamb's blood on their doors, etc.) However, the wrath of God on the Day of the Lord is a separate event from the tribulation of the saints and the rapture of Christians on Christ's return.
And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
-Revelation 6:12-13
As we learned earlier in this teaching, the sun, moon, and stars going dark is one of the signs of Christ's return to rapture out His saints. Christ describes the persecution of the saints, and final antichrist declaring himself to be the Messiah in the temple.
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
-Matthew 24:29-31
It should be noted that right after those verses, Christ tells them to learn the parable of the fig tree. You'll notice that the stars falling to heaven in Revelation 6 are described as "a fig tree," and so it seems God wanted everyone to be able to see and understand this as easily as possible.
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
-Matthew 24:4
After this rapture happens (the bodily resurrection of the saints and all are seen to be taken up into heaven), God opens the seventh seal. There is a span of silence across the heavens for 30 minutes, then His wrath comes down hard and furiously on the unbelievers and false converts left behind in the world, and He does this through seven angels He sends one at a time.
And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.
-Revelation 8:1-2
So the tribulation of the saints and the wrath of the God are two separate events. The tribulation happens during seals 1-5, the sixth seal is the sign for the return of Christ, and after His return and rapture, then the seventh seal is the wrath of God on the world. Thus, Pre-Wrath is the same as Post-Trib, only that some people have chosen to give it a new name to distinguish it from a variety of false doctrines that have arisen over the past two centuries.
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What's New @ CLE / (ARTICLE) Abortion: Paganism, Satanism, Sacrifices, and Witchcraft
« on: February 20, 2018, 12:48:37 PM »
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General Discussion / Removing Some Accounts
« on: February 20, 2018, 12:27:18 PM »
I made a post yesterday saying that people would need to update their profiles with the proper required information, or they would be removed. I'm going to start removing accounts now. Don't worry, you can just make a new one; only that now you'll be forced to fill out the required information to make an account. Everything should be running smoothly, and I'm just adding in a bunch of stuff that was lost during the transition; your accounts should be good to go now, and you can make posts as you please.
Oh, and a heads up; I made it so that now your gender is required, and it will show up on your posts. I find that it is important to know in certain contexts, and so everyone's required to provide that information now.
Oh, and a heads up; I made it so that now your gender is required, and it will show up on your posts. I find that it is important to know in certain contexts, and so everyone's required to provide that information now.
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What's New @ CLE / (VIDEO) Abortion: Child Sacrifices in Witchcraft p2
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What's New @ CLE / (VIDEO) Abortion: Child Sacrifices in Witchcraft p1
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What's New @ CLE / (ARTICLE) The Book of Acts: My Notes on Chapters 11-15
« on: February 20, 2018, 09:26:37 AM »
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General Discussion / Update
« on: February 19, 2018, 04:52:57 PM »
I'm working out a lot of kinks, but I've got the profile fields mostly setup now. I've got security protocols mostly back in place. The smileys were not loading, now they should be working properly. I also added in a feature I wanted to add in a long time ago; the "seedling" image that appears next to your posts will gradually grow into a tree as you increase your total amount of posts. I just never got around to working on that, so I finished, and setup the various levels for it. The tree will grow up to 1500 posts.
Someone sent me an old archive of the forum, but the problem with that is that each post has to be individually coded in. It does help that I can go back and copy/paste, but I still have to go find the image sources and do all the BBC coding involved in each individual post. I may do that for some of our larger articles, but I'm simply not going to sit here for days trying to recreate every post we had. I've just got too many other more important things to work on.
I've been working on this for the past 9 hours, and I'm getting a little burnt out.
Smiley test:
Oh, and if anyone hasn't updated their profiles with the required information by tomorrow, I'll delete your account. Don't worry, you can always make a new one, but I want to get everyone up to par ASAP.
Someone sent me an old archive of the forum, but the problem with that is that each post has to be individually coded in. It does help that I can go back and copy/paste, but I still have to go find the image sources and do all the BBC coding involved in each individual post. I may do that for some of our larger articles, but I'm simply not going to sit here for days trying to recreate every post we had. I've just got too many other more important things to work on.
I've been working on this for the past 9 hours, and I'm getting a little burnt out.
Smiley test:
Oh, and if anyone hasn't updated their profiles with the required information by tomorrow, I'll delete your account. Don't worry, you can always make a new one, but I want to get everyone up to par ASAP.