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Wild Emails @ CLE / Re: How "Conspiracy Ministries" Warp the Minds of Their Listeners

« on: March 22, 2021, 11:26:31 AM »

Much of what I'm going to say here is how I would respond to these things, but I did not do that with her (assuming it's a 'her' because I cannot tell from the letter 'K') because she would not understand.

From your Articles, I perceive you to be honest, sincere & fairly well studied/thorough in your presentations. However,
Okay, before continuing, let's address that sentence. This is a very common thing I receive from those who want to argue against me. They start out with a perceived "compliment" in one short sentence to try and warm themselves up to the person, in which they believe I'm going to be flattered in some manner, and then they spend the rest of their letter mostly berating me because they want my writing and audio teachings to match their personal thoughts and feelings. What they do not understand is that I can very easily see through these forms of flattery, and rather than warming themselves to me, I am immediately on guard against them as soon as they say "however," because I know instantly that the first sentence was a lie.

In fact, I can prove to you it is a lie by her own words later. Watch this:
LETTER 1: "From your Articles, I perceive you to be honest, sincere & fairly well studied"
LETTER 2: "I have not researched your site... you obviously do not really know your Bible.  You also have no idea who God's People really are and who they are NOT."

If I do not know the Bible, then how can I be "fairly well studied?" If I have no idea who God's people really are after claiming to be saved and having knowledge of the Word of God, then how can I be "honest and sincere?" These statements contradict one another, and therefore, the comments she made in the response (after she got angry that I rejected conversation with her) is what she REALLY wanted to say from the start. I would have had far more respect for her if she had just begun by saying those things. That's why I had no interest in having a detailed conversation with her; it just would have wasted my time. I don't mind going over it with you guys because I know some of you will get some discernment and understanding out of these exchanges.

What likely really happened was that she read some of my articles, or listened to some of the teachings I did on a hot topic she wanted to hear about. Maybe Freemasonry or something like that. After listening to or reading some of it, she realized how much more well-researched and polished it was compared to the normal "conspiracy ministry" sites she had seen; however, there was one big problem for her, and that was that the facts which I listed out in my teachings did not correlate with other things she learned from maybe someone like Alex Jones or others like him, and therefore, her thought was to write a letter in an attempt to stuff as many concepts as possible into one short email to try and get me to change my writing or teachings to match what she wanted to hear, which resulted in her letter being "jumbled," even though she argued it was not.

jumble: to mix in a confused mass; put or throw together without order

I said her letter was jumbled. She insisted that it was not. I'll let you all read and decide for yourself.

She obviously respected me because of the work I did, but she wanted me to be like her. I am still baffled why people think that if they write a letter like this to someone, it will change everything. It changes nothing. I frequently listen to people and get irritated by their willful blindness on certain issues, so you know what I do? I may skip the part so I don't have to listen to their nonsense, I may close their teaching entirely so I don't have to listen to them anymore (because that is my free choice), or I write them a message explaining the problem of THAT SPECIFIC TOPIC (i.e. not a jumbled letter) and then give references to where they can find more information, and if they don't want to hear, that is their free choice (i.e. I don't write them a response and tell them how ugly or horrible they are); it's not my responsibility to make them hear.

Based on what I have seen from her letters, it sounds to me like she is upset that I have not covered every single topic of everything that is going wrong with this world. I AM ONE PERSON! I cannot do everything. I know of organizations that have entire teams that cannot do all of that either. Frankly, I have no idea what peoples' expectation of me really are.

Furthermore, it also seems as if she is upset that I spend too much time going over Bible doctrines, and not enough time going over the secret plans of the New World Order, while at the same time, telling me that I don't understand the Bible.

Next, look at the topics she lists out:

New World Order - I have mentioned that before in my audio teachings.
COVID scam - I have mentioned that before in my audio teachings.
Vaccines - The United Vacci-Nations
Billy Graham - Wolves in Costume: Billy Graham
Traditions of Men in Churchianity - I talk about those things ALL THE TIME!
501c3 - 501c3: The Devil's Church
Freemasons and Shriners - Freemasonry: A Luciferian Beacon

These are just some of the things she mentioned. She could have easily done a keyword search any time in the past two years and found many of these things. Instead, she chose to be lazy and not do any research to find out, and she relied on her ASSUMPTIONS about what I teach and believe, and that is the danger of "conspiracy ministries," in which they rely much more on inference than fact. This is not to say that there is not a New World Order because the fact is that the Georgia Guidestones are factual information on that subject, but everything they do behind closed doors is not fact until we have factual evidence to back it up.

I think some of you might be surprised how open I am to information, but you may have confused that with my skepticism of assumptions and inference, rather than hard evidence. I am not saying I have never made an assumption or inference, nor am I saying I have never made a mistake in that area, but through those mistakes, I have learned to do better.

Most of the people who write me have never written an article teaching or had to put any information out into the open public where they will be held accountable and scrutinized for what they say. Therefore, they do not understand (nor do they tend to care) about such responsibility to get information correct before releasing it, and they instead delude themselves to think their jumbled letters have value.

"I do not know what you think about Zionism"
I have no idea what she's talking about, and frankly, I don't care. I have heard the term, and I think I looked it up one time, perhaps a few years ago, and I did not pay any attention to it, nor made any effort to memorize it, which means it was probably nonsense that I did not want to waste my time on. I don't find any listings for "Zionism" in Scripture, so I don't really care. If she wants to carry a "don't believe in Zionism" message to people, that's fine. I have work to do, and I'm going to get back to it.

If you guys have any other comments, feel free to post them below.

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Wild Emails @ CLE / How "Conspiracy Ministries" Warp the Minds of Their Listeners

« on: March 22, 2021, 10:37:21 AM »

Please note the date of the first letter, versus the date of the second letter. This is exactly what I received.
K. HART FROM ALABAMA - MAY 11, 2019
Dear Mr. Christopher, I have taken the time to write you an important letter that I would like you to read and comment on, but it will take two emails to get it all to you.  I need to first know if, I have contact with you.  If I can send it from my regular email address, above, I may be able to get it to you all at once.
Please Respond, Thank You,
Okay, I have responded.
K. HART FROM ALABAMA - MAR 20, 2021
From your Articles, I perceive you to be honest, sincere & fairly well studied/thorough in your presentations. However, I am not sure if you fully understand the Enemy or how the Enemy is infiltrating & manipulating the World Order. The Enemy’s Deceptions & Lies have affected God’s Children & all their Societal Affairs from the beginning.  This most recent Global PLANdemic and Sham of the 2020 Presidential Election (including the Media’s “orchestrated” Distractions and tons of Lies, Propaganda, False Flags & Psyops throughout Trump’s 4 years) ought to ALERT any thinking Person on how entrenched and all-encompassing the Anti-Christ/Satanic World System has become & how strongly the Evil One’s advancing World Order (& World Domination) is successfully swallowing up all that is Right & Good, while enticing innocent, ill-informed Peoples into drinking the Kool-Aid (or taking the Vaccine)!

Disappointingly, due to the skillful influence of corrupt Christian Icons (like Billy Graham) or ignorantly Duped Evangelists, Preachers & Christian Leaders… Most all of Evangelical Christianity (of which I was part of as a former well-studied & adequately-indoctrinated Southern Baptist of over 20 years) and including most all Mainstream Christiandom is blissfully “Standing With” and blindly supporting the Anti-Christ/the Synagogue of Satan!  Many of my Siblings totally fail to see what is happening right before our Eyes!!  They are seeped in the Doctrines & Traditions of Men, just like many were before, during and after Jesus Christ’s Ministry.  “Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men…”

Many sincere Christians understand the Bible as they have been taught to understand it, but few actually “thoroughly” do their OWN Homework. As was happening in Hosea’s time, Our Father’s Children are being destroyed for lack of knowledge! Putting aside the lies about not paying attention to or being involved in Politics (resulting from Senator/President Johnson’s 501c3 scam), in order to truly be effective, we need to be more open to sharing rather than blocking our perspectives (no one can rightly discern the TRUTH or full picture without at least considering all the possible Evidence).  We need to be better informed in Politics, History, Science, Technology, Economics, & Religion to see how all the parts of the Devil’s Deceptive Jigsaw Puzzle fits together!  The New Testament Bible informs us that the Evil one is the “Prince” (some versions interpret it “Ruler”) of this World.  This means Satanic Forces/Minions are able to and have infiltrated every faucet of Society, including Religion! We are constantly being fed with Propaganda & Lies, encouraging us to jump on board with their scheme!  The NT also informs us that Satan can transform into an Angel of Light and his ministers and/or duped minions can also be transformed or masquerade as ministers of righteousness.  Such as… Freemasonry’s Shriner’s Hospital for Children (Satanists and so called “Lucifarians” actually do horrendous things to Children!!) and all the marvelous Foundations of the Elites, such as the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, which pretend to be out there for good while in REALITY they are working with & for the Anti-Christ New World Order System (closet Eugenicists, playing god, through their Wealth, Vaccines & GMO experiments and Food)!
After stepping outside of the Southern Baptist Umbrella (without malice or grudges) and into an unbiased, intense, unending passion for TRUTH above all else of at least 15 years so far, which has involved the continual Studying & Testing of all things that I Blindly accepted as TRUTH; I can honestly say I am stronger in my Faith, richer in Biblical Precepts & more discerning about Worldly Affairs than I ever imagined possible. While I am always open to considering possible Evidence to clarify my Perspectives, I know this Fact beyond a shadow of a doubt:  My fellow Siblings… who are truly within our Father’s Family throughout this Earth… need to fully open their eyes to this one thing in order to BEGIN to see things more clearly and to rightly perceive the Devil’s scheme (if it is not too Late!!)—the Heresy of Christian Zionism!!   “I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.”

Christopher, I don’t think bulk/highly informative correspondence by way of internet is very safe.  There is a lot of Censoring & Spying going on through various forms of Media and Social Communication sites such as Face Book (which I am not a part of). I know this sound paranoid, but we are at War…even if we don’t realize it!

Wishing You Continued godly Discernment,
I will only comment by saying two things:

1. You obviously have not listened to much of what I teach, as I have covered many of these subjects in various teachings, on our forum, and among our church meetings and Bible studies, but I have no desire to get into these things with you via email correspondence, especially because (based on your jumbled letter) I cannot say for sure if you even understand what it means to have "godly discernment."
For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
-Heb 5:12-14

2. Because of that, it is likely that this ministry is not the right place for you because our focus is on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Since your focus seems to be more heavily on the conspiracies of this world than the understanding of Christ's Gospel, you might be better served elsewhere, so you should probably move on from us and keep looking, and I'm sure you will find an organization with which you can better relate.

Have a great day.
30 MIN LATER; BOLDED BY THE AUTHOR
Christopher:  Everything is a conspiracy!  There is a difference between conspiracy fact and conspiracy theory.  You don't even know what I have to share and yet you shut me down because my approach & content is different. You sound like a mainstream news media sound bite-- yelling out "Conspiracy Theory!" to end the conversation and discret the messenger.  I suppose you think Fox News is Truth you can depend on. But my letter was not jumbled.  It was clear to anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear.  I do not know what you think about Zionism, but if you support it you obviously do not really know your Bible.  You also have no idea who God's People really are and who they are NOT.  No I have not researched your site, but it is simple just to state your position on Zionism.  Instead you attack me personally which is what arrogant type Chistians tend to do, when confronted by truth they are not ready to consider. You present a lot of info that Christians would balk at... but I have found through my own research much of what you present, and I believe it is mostly accurate.
3 HOURS LATER, BEFORE I HAD RESPONDED
Wow! Your ugly response is not one I expected. Everything is a conspiracy!  There is a difference between conspiracy fact and conspiracy theory.  You don't even know what I have to share (right from the Bible) and yet you shut me down because my approach & content is different. You sound like a mainstream news media sound bite-- yelling out "Conspiracy Theory!" to end the conversation and discredit the messenger.  I suppose you think Fox News is Truth you can depend on and that Republicans are more Christian than Democrats!  Well Guess What it was a Republican President who signed in the satanic Talmudist Noahide Laws into Law in 1991--President Bush (the daddy Bush!). I suppose You think America is in Good Shape and Our Constitution/Rights are not being attacked by every President, including Republicans. But my letter was not jumbled.  It was clear to anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear.  I do not know what you think about Zionism, but if you support it you obviously do not really know your Bible.  You also have no idea who God's People really are and who they are NOT.  If you don't know this than I doubt you truly understand the Gospel.  No I have not researched your site, but it is simple just to state your position on Zionism.  Instead you attack me personally which is what arrogant type Christians tend to do, when confronted by truth they are not ready to consider. You present a lot of info that Christians would balk at... but I have found through my own research much of what you present, and I believe it is mostly accurate.
I'm sad you are incapable of departing in peace. I don't like having to block people, but I've dealt with people like you before, and I know how this ends. You are a person who claims others "obviously do not really know" the Bible, and yet, in these short emails, only one of us has talked about the Bible, and the other has not. I'll let you do the math.
And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the word, And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.
-Mark 4:18-19

I'll be filtering your emails out of my system. I do hope you have a great day, and I hope the Lord Jesus Christ blesses you and your family with all your needs in the coming months.
Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing.
-1Pe 3:9
END OF DISCUSSION
This is why I have warned you all about "conspiracy ministries." As I have said many times, conspiracies exist, and there are many of them, but this is the warped mind of a person who has left the Bible and jumped off the cliff into conspiracy realm. You saw what she said (and I believe she said it twice) that "everything is a conspiracy." There was no specific context she gave to that statement, but rather, she STARTED her letter with that statement, meaning that she does not believe ANYTHING is real or honest. In my opinion, based on the many letters I have received in this manner, I believe this is the end result of listening to the Alex-Jones-type of "conspiracy ministries." I may make more comments about what she said in the comments below.

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Bible Discussion / Re: "Know Your Enemy" video playlist by The Fuel Project

« on: March 19, 2021, 12:36:18 PM »

Likely, this will be the last comment I will make on Mark Fairley and "The Fuel Project," but it occurred to me last night to look on his YouTube channel to see if I could find some of his doctrinal teachings, so we could find out what exactly he believes on some more foundational issues. He has almost nothing along those lines.

The Fuel Project is a prime example of a "conspiracy ministry," which typically consists of man who is (at the very least) leavened, if not a false teacher, who has little to no understanding of the doctrines and philosophy of Christ, who spends most of his time "interpreting" Revelation without understanding the principles of Scripture, and does so in the typical "conspiracy ministry" fashion; for example, saying that "fire and brimstone" in Revelation infers "nuclear weapons."

Don't take my word for it, get it from the horse's mouth:
https://youtu.be/Hcu7hbMIRd8?t=72

This guy selects topics by popularity, (meaning that most of his videos are click bait), and then does his best to intrigue his listeners by using words and images that are hot topics. I guess you could call it "sensationalism," and it's a lot of fluff with no substance.

sensationalism: the use of shocking details to cause a lot of excitement or interest

It's a lot of nonsense spoken by a man with a fancy accent that is looking to get clicks, views, and likes by using shock value to trigger the emotional excitement of an unsuspecting audience. I'm not saying that everything he says or teaches is wrong, but I am saying that there is lot of error and leaven mixed into just the few videos I saw. I'm not interested in listening to him any further, and I would not recommend this guy to anyone who is looking for Biblical understanding.

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Bible Discussion / Re: "Know Your Enemy" video playlist by The Fuel Project

« on: March 17, 2021, 03:48:50 PM »

So looking into Mark Fairley's doctrine, I decided to go to some key points. The first being his doctrine on repentance. Now, the problem with Fairley is the same problem that I see with a lot of other leavened preachers is that he does not define what he means by what he says, and therefore, we have to infer what he means by the way he uses the words he writes.

For example, in a teaching he has called "DAVID HYPOCRISY VS. SAUL HYPOCRISY," Fairley makes many statements about Christians needed to "repent," but never defines what that means. However, we can infer that he believes that 'repent' means "to turn from sin" by the way he uses the word in the context of his sentences.
https://thefuelproject.org/blog/2018/5/14/david-hypocrisy-vs-saul-hypocrisy

And yet here's the important thing: when David was confronted about them, he confessed and repented immediately saying, "I have sinned against the Lord." (2 Samuel 12:13) David then promptly recommitted to principles he believed in and he lived those principles out.

So you can see how he is defining repentance as "turning from sin" because he talks about how David was "recommitting" and "living principles out." This is not to say that we ought not to turn from sin, but again, Fairley is using the wrong definition of repentance than what Scripture uses.

We can see it again here:
David repented quickly of his sin; Saul didn't. That David was a better repenter than Saul is the only reason we think favourably about David and not of Saul.

The phrase "better repenter" implies a work of action. Do we say that a man is a "better laugher" than another? Do we say that a man is a "better crier" than another? No. We say that man is a "better worker" than another, and therefore, we can see Fairley hidden works-based philosophy; it's just that the average reader won't catch that without discernment from God's Word.
Is Repentance Part of Salvation?

He says other phrases like: "they are no longer "Davids" who confess and quickly repent of their attitude"
The problem is that repentance is a complete change of attitude itself, and so his phrase is redundant, unless he's defining repentance as "turning from sin."

I also find it amazing how he ends the article by saying that repentance is the key to the whole thing, but then when I search his site, he has almost nothing on repentance. He has 11 short paragraphs in which he doesn't define what he's talking about, and that's it. Something smells fishy here.

I tried looking up his position on a lot of different subjects, like tithe, Greek lexicons and concordances, speaking in tongues, and other various things. I cannot find any information on his site about any of this stuff, so it's very difficult to tell what this guy believes about a lot of things.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDDGl79x4Pc&list=PLCED9C361662866BD&index=1
So now, because I cannot figure out what he believes about a bunch of doctrines, I have no choice but to go the playlist suggested, so I'm going to part 1, and all I can say in the first minute is that if Fairley is trying to "preach the gospel" in "creative and inspiring ways," he needs to learn volume control on his videos so I don't have to crank up the volume to hear him speak, and then get my ear drums blasted out when he starts playing rock music a few moments later.

Okay, after watching "part 1," it was a complete waste of time. It was a really terrible song put in front of a bunch of images and topical words. *sigh* Next... on to part 2...

The next thing I'm noticing is what I see in a lot of preachers who adhere to new-age corrupt bible versions, and those who deceive their listeners by telling them what the Bible says, rather than quoting the Bible. That's exactly what he does in his blog as well. I'm not saying he never quotes Scripture, but it seems to be a rare occurrence. Most of the time, he gives references to the Scripture, but does not quote it.

He's also using a lot of imagery to influence people, and I also get red flags in my mind when people do that as well.

Okay, so now he's going into the physical appearance of Lucifer, attempting to describe it to lay a foundation for his argument. The problem with what he's arguing is that Lucifer USED to be beautiful, meaning, past tense. Fairley is speaking present tense.

I think Fairley may not have studied enough on this topic before making his video. God made Satan a serpent in Genesis:
And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
-Gen 3:14-15

Of course, Satan can make himself to appear as other things, even an angel of light, unto the eyes of men...
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
-2Co 11:14
...but God took away Lucifer's natural beauty during the fall. If Lucifer was naturally an angel of light, then why would he have to transform himself into an angel of light? Read the past tense:
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
-Isa 14:12-13

Then Fairley brings us to what he says is "Ezekiel 28:12-13," but I think he referenced the wrong verses because he quotes verse 15 from his corrupt new-age version:
Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
-Eze 28:15

Again, past tense. So Fairly is taking what once was, and then applying it today as if Lucifer is still the same as he once was, which is incorrect. But worse still, he titles this series "Know Your Enemy." That's... I don't even know what to say to that. It's not wrong to misunderstand something or make a mistake. Certainly, I have done that many times, but when we have someone join the forum and immediately jump in to say, "Hey everyone, enjoy this" as if he has discernment on the matter, I have to point out the problems with such videos to try and protect the rest of the church from being deceived.

I'm sorry, I know I'm only 90 seconds into part 2, but I have no interest in going any further. To me, I see someone who studies new-age bible versions, and I suspect he relies on Greek grammar dictionaries (although I don't have the evidence of that yet), gives incorrect references at the beginning of his teaching, and then gives incorrect information when interpreting it. On top of that, I cannot find basic doctrines on many things, and the guy says he's been doing this for almost a decade.

I think "The Fuel Project" is leavened, and I think people are going to get a false gospel from it. I think Fairley's true motivation (based on his own words) is to try and artistically style the Bible because imagery, music, and video editing is his true passion, and he wants to be a part of the "conspiracy ministry" crowd. He thinks being a "conspiracy ministry" and making "cool vids" is what will make the gospel of Jesus more attractive (i.e. it gets him views, likes, and donations), and that is based on a lack of understanding about the Gospel and the workings of the Holy Spirit.

I hope that helps.

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Bible Discussion / Re: "Know Your Enemy" video playlist by The Fuel Project

« on: March 16, 2021, 07:01:54 PM »

When looking into "The Fuel Project," I initially could not find much that was disagreeable, but that was because if you simply look at the website, they give generalized, vague statements in most of what they say on the surface. Their statement of faith is very cookie cutter, and non-specific.

However, there are some initial problems I'm seeing, and I haven't even looked at any of the teachings yet:
"6. What Bible translation do you use?
Mostly the New Living Translation (NLT) or the English Standard Version (ESV). We also use BibleGateway to check multiple versions so you'll occasionally see others."
http://thefuelproject.org/about-us

That's problem number one. It is very difficult to sanctify oneself from the leaven, when they are studying books that have leavened the Bible. I wanted to look into a few more details on that, but there is no search functionality on their website as far as I can tell, so I'm going to have to go about it another more complicated way.

Mark Fairley, the owner of The Fuel Project, has a teaching where he exposes the origins of Catholicism:
http://thefuelproject.org/blog/2019/10/23/answers-episode-16-whats-the-difference-between-catholicism-and-christianity
However, he ignores the fact that the Bible versions he is using were based on manuscripts that were approved by the Catholic Church. So he's happy to rebuke the Catholic Church, but doesn't want to let go of those things which help him appear to have intellectual credibility with the "theological community."

See Why I Use The King James Bible for more details.

That was just the first red flag to me. The second red flag is that the entire front page of his website is a list of "Buy Now" buttons to purchase books and DVDs.

The third red flag for me was his "About" page, which, once again, has nothing about the Lord Jesus Christ. Take a look for yourself:
The Fuel Project began around 2011 and exists to spread the gospel in creative, beautiful, and inspiring ways. Whether that be through books, videos, photography, music, or art, this ministry is to be a source of information, inspiration and most of all, a source of fuel that ignites real change.

TO-DATE, 150 PEOPLE HAVE WRITTEN TO SAY THEY BECAME A CHRISTIAN AS A DIRECT RESULT OF OUR WORK.

I say "our", because as the ministry has grown over the years, volunteers from around the world have joined together to make this a truly team effort. Animators, musicians, artists and designers have offered their services to enhance the books and videos produced by Fuel. Indeed, the eventual aim is for The Fuel Project to become a creative hub for all kinds of gospel work, with around 4-5 full-time team members. 

Key to our vision is the "Fuel Network", which is continuing to expand in every continent. We are inviting churches and small groups around the world to join together to make a commitment to true discipleship. The Bible says we're not just to be hearers of the word, but doers also, so although we love that people are watching our material, we don't want it to stop there. We want to see Christian groups rise up in local communities to apply Biblical principles wherever they live. The Fuel Network acts as an online directory that allows Christians to connect with each other for this purpose.

You'll find out more about this ministry as you go, but if you have any questions, feel free to get in touch using the form at the bottom of this page. All video series to-date are accessible through the home page too!

Finally, if you'd like to support this ministry, you can do so at patreon.com/thefuelproject. Donations are also possible using the button at the top right corner of this screen. If you'd like to volunteer your skills too, please do! There are positions available on the “Volunteer” section of this website. We'd' be happy to hear from you.

Well, I suppose that Mark Fairley does not believe that Christ or His disciples "spread the gospel in creative, beautiful, and inspiring ways." The way this is phrased, it certainly comes across to me that he has to come up with new ways to "spread the gospel." This not only is indicates that he has ways that are different than Christ's, but it indicates that new ways are necessary, and it indicates that the Holy Ghost is not the one responsible for converting people.

The problem with putting a number of how many people claimed to have been saved from your work in huge bold print on your "About" page, it creates a few problems. First of all, that depends on what Gospel Mark is preaching. I don't know that yet, I'm still looking into this as I go. Many church buildings have comment cards saying "check this if you were saved" and then they add them to numbers, put out bulletins claiming that they got 200 people saved at an event, and the entire purpose of publishing those numbers is to GET MORE RESPECT AND FINANCIAL SUPPORT. It creates prestige to which people respect him because he's got a fancy website with a 150 number.

You'll notice that I don't put such information on our site because it's irrelevant. Certainly, I've had quite a number of emails of people telling me they came to Christ because of what I preached to them, but in the end, they were saved by the Holy Ghost, not by me. Therefore, I don't need to impress people with a number count, so that set off another red flag for me.

The next red flag is this statement:
"We are inviting churches and small groups around the world to join together to make a commitment to true discipleship."
That's his stated goal. Not to bring people to Christ, but rather, he's trying to light a fire under churchgoers. He does not understand that the "fire" he is searching for in peoples' hearts is only given to them by God. He is not acknowledging false converts, and he is not trying to save people as he trying to get them to "make a commitment," and I think that's part of the problem with Vince, as I pointed out in his introduction thread just today.

I'll give you an example, and this comes directly from The Fuel Project website of what Mark believes is a "good example" of a 2-min testimony, from this page:
http://thefuelproject.org/volunteer
Here is the video:
https://youtu.be/h6Ixcunq28o

All this man said was that he was into a lot of criminal activity, then some people preached to him in prison, he "responded to the gospel" (whatever that means), and now he preaches in prisons. That is not a conversion testimony of any kind; it did not testify of much of anything. He basically spent 90 second talking about all the crimes he committed, and then in the last 30 seconds, it was like he was good to go, but there was no repentance of wrongdoing, no guilt of sin, or the blood of Jesus Christ; nothing of the sort.

This is another red flag for me.

See Why Millions of Believers on Jesus Are Going to Hell for more details.

So, that's just an introduction post concerning the subject of The Fuel Project, and I have not yet even touched on the doctrines Mark Fairley has taught yet. We have a problem already that Vince does not seem to know enough about Scripture to know if he is saved, but then assumes he has enough discernment to tell everyone to "enjoy" his suggestions without knowing what or who he is recommending to everyone. That's the danger I see in these kinds of posts from people who have just joined our forum; they do not do enough research and just heap unto themselves (i.e. pile up a bunch of) teachers without caution, thinking that everyone else should do the same.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
-2Ti 4:3

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Hello, my name is Vince

« on: March 16, 2021, 05:15:07 PM »

Okay, now I may miss some things because there is so much conversation going back and forth, I'm not sure I can keep track of everything. I would normally not chime in, but I think the core issue is not being clearly addressed, so I'm going to attempt to do that.

Vince, what I keep seeing is like an adjustment to what we're saying, rather than a testimony of Jesus Christ. What I mean by that is whenever we point out something from your testimony that is missing from the Gospel of Jesus Christ, you simply change your testimony to match that, as if you are simply adding things in that you believe we want to hear.

I have seen this pattern many times in people who have joined the forum, in which they attempt to just say the "right words" for us to accept them, rather than them testifying of what Jesus has done for them. It was not just in your first post, but all your subsequent posts as well. From the beginning, there was nothing at all about sin, the law, guilt of wrongdoing, or anything else that would indicate that you had to be saved from something. I am not expecting you to come out and write a bunch of comments about those things, but rather, those things should be part of the testimony and conversation you have been having with us, but that's not what I'm seeing.

I want to give you some examples to help clarify this. Now, I read the conversation you had with Tim over the issue of the words I pointed out to you, namely, "striving to be one of the few," which you have said that you "repent" of that or that you were sorry you made that error. I can understand an error; that's not my issue with that. The problem was twofold:

1. The expectation that "cheesy" (as you put it) church-iaty one-liners was going to endear us to you somehow. I'm not sure why you thought that.
2. That your words don't really mean a whole lot to you.

Of course, you might take offense to that last one, but the last one is very important because it will help to demonstrate that you are simply trying to say the "right words" to us for acceptance. Let's go back to the first post:

You said "Thanks for having me onboard"
This was very interesting because you confirmed our acceptance of you before we have even had a chance to read your post. It's a prideful approach that is based on assumption. That alone tells me that you have an expectation that, those who claim to believe on Jesus are automatically expected to welcome you in with open arms, and an arrogant expectation that your knowledge and understanding has reached a level through your experiences that a community such as this would have no qualms about adding you in. So from these very few words, I already saw that, from the beginning, you had expectations that you wanted fulfilled by coming here. This is where the problem started, but I did not say those things initially because I did not want to dive that deep into what you were saying unless it was necessary. (Now, it's necessary.)

You can see it again later, when you said: "You’re at a bit of a disadvantage since you don’t have 100+ hours of my Bible teaching that you can groom through to understand my thoughts."
We can understand your thoughts by the conversation you have with us. We can understand a lot about what you do and do not know based on what you write. I can tell when you are quoting Scripture because you understand it, versus you quoting me quoting Scripture in one of my articles. I know the difference.

If you were to talk to a professional mechanic, do you think he can gauge how much you know about mechanics by having a basic conversation with you? Of course. If you talk with a physician, do you think he can gauge how much you know about medicine by having a basic conversation with you? Of course. If you talk with people who study the Bible and understand the doctrines and philosophy of Christ on a regular basis, do you think they can gauge how much you know about the Word of God by having a basic conversation with you? Of course. We can understand pretty easily the difference between someone who studies God's Word and understands it, verses someone who listens to preachers and repeats what preachers say.

Furthermore, I can understand the thoughts of your heart by what you say, and that is what Jesus taught. (I will explain the Scripture on that in a moment.) The reason you made the excuse of us not having "100+ hours" of Bible teachings from you is because you think that by us spending many hours with you over a long period of time, and getting to know every detail of your life and experience, we will one day accept you as brethren. That is FAR overcomplicating this process.

If a young lady walked into a church building in a string bikini, it would not take long for someone to cover her up and rebuke her for her lack of proper dress. Now imagine a man says, "Hold on a second everyone! I don't think this is right. I think we should allow her to wear that bikini freely among us because, after all, we don't really know her personally yet." Well, obviously, when someone is doing or saying something wrong, you do not have to have 100+ hours of teaching or time with them to learn all their thoughts; you simply rebuke and correct the error.

I don't have to know the ins and outs of everything John MacArthur teaches because he's 501c3 incorporated, teaches error on repentance, and preaches false doctrines on tithe. That's more than enough. I don't need to know everything Alex Jones teaches to know he's corrupt because he will, on the one hand, condemn Catholic secret societies, but then turn around on the other hand and sell Catholic products. That's more than enough. And I don't need to have many nights of intimate conversation with you to know that there is something wrong with what you're telling us, and you are not going to be able to say a special recipe of magic words to fix the problem because such a thing takes UNDERSTANDING, not the right combination of the English language.

You made the comment about 100+ hours because you were really saying, "Look everyone, you don't know me well enough to judge these matters about me." Vince, I can tell by your conversation that you do not have much understanding of God's Word. How do I know that? Well, let's continue to look at the "striving to be one of the few" comment, and I'll try to explain what I think others are having a hard time getting across to you.
I admit my statement of “Striving to be one of the few” was a quick attempt at a final quip, but ultimately was a cheesy wrap up line like “In Christian love”, “In the grip of grace”, or “May grace and blessings be in your path” something I’ve learned well in all my church years. I really meant it in the same vein as Paul spoke of in 1Cor 9:24-27 and not a working for salvation, but my sanctification. Sorry about that.
The "sorry about that" line was not really the purpose of your statement; it was just another added "quip" at the end of that paragraph. You just felt that is what you were expected to say, and added it at the end. There really was not any "sorrow" to go along with that; that's obvious. In reality, you simply tried to justify what you were saying, and even attempted to fallaciously use Scripture to justify yourself. Now, I won't repeat the problem with the Scripture you provided because Tim already addressed you on that, but rather, I want to address you on the fact that your words don't mean much to you.

Be not rash with thy mouth, and let not thine heart be hasty to utter any thing before God: for God is in heaven, and thou upon earth: therefore let thy words be few.
-Ecc 5:2

We are not supposed to just say whatever we want whenever we want to say it, but rather, we should take consideration of what we say. Why is this so important? Because we will be held accountable for everything we say:
But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
-Mat 12:36

As I said earlier, I can tell what is in your heart by what you say, and Jesus said this:
But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
-Mat 15:18
So when something slips out of your mouth, or in this case, in your writing (which is much worse because you have more time to consider your words in writing than speaking), those things come forth from your heart. Therefore, we can understand what is in a man's heart by what he says, and knowing that, I do not need 100+ hours from you to figure that out.

What I see so far is a man who was raised in corrupt church buildings, he was told he was a Christian by false converts, and he has continued to repeat those same things that he learned from those people; maybe adjusting a few things along the way by what might be told by one false preacher here or there.

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
-Col 2:8

You learned the corrupt traditions of men and rudiments (i.e. first principle teachings) of the world, and then repeated those, while trying to force this community of Christians to accept you because you do not want to think about what it would mean if we do not accept you as brethren. Then, you began to backpedal by saying "I appreciate the vetting," even though that was not your initial expectation, but you attempted to transition so quickly that I think some folks here did not catch it.

The problem with this is that you are not acknowledging the truth because you have gained understanding, but you are simply trying to relearn saying the wrong things (i.e. that you learned from the corrupt church buildings) to saying the "right" things (i.e. by copying what we are saying to you). Saying the "right things" is not going to solve the problem because we have more discernment than that, and it's not what we are looking for from you.

We are trying to get past the surface level to get to the core understanding, but it's like we are talking to a robot. Let me show you what I mean; Tim said:
Just like the prodigal son came to his father in the humility of repentance saying that he was not worthy to be a son, that is the same repentance that God looks for in anybody that comes to Him. The same for how David came to God in repentance in Psalm 51 that I quoted earlier. Then simply believe on Jesus Christ and that He died for your sin to free you from the punishment of hell.
Then you kinda' just repeated what he said and gave a generic response:
As I consider this I believe that I am born again as being described here. As I've read the story of the prodigal son, and also how David came to God in Psalm 51 I see this as my hearts attitude towards the Lord.

That is completely robotic, almost like a politician. It's as if you are not even talking with us, but just giving a public relations response that you think will be accepted by the public at large. I'm sure you are currently familiar with the fiasco that is New York governor Andrew Cuomo. Let's say he was told that a governor should stand for the Constitution of the United States and do work out of concern for the people, and he responded by saying, "I believe that describes me best. After reading the Constitution, I see this as my heart's attitude towards the people." We would all either laugh or puke at that robotic, PR response because we know it's not real; he's just putting on a show for the media.

The more I read your posts, the more I feel like I'm reading someone putting on a show. Now, that being said, you did make an attempt to give some sort of testimony of your conversion to Jesus Christ, so let's take a look at that:
http://www.creationliberty.com/forum/index.php?topic=1304.msg10855#msg10855
Yes, right about the age of 13 I made my public confession of faith in what Jesus has done for me on the cross and committed my life to follow Him, and was baptized.
Even from the start, that's the problem. You said you don't believe in works-based doctrines, but when giving a testimony of Christ, you start out by saying (in a MacArthurian way), "Well, I publically confessed Christ, committed my life to Him, and got baptized." I don't know if you are aware of this, but that is ALL WORKS, which brings us back to your original comment, "striving to be one of the few."

Your conversation keeps pointing to the fact that, even though you may say you believe in "grace through faith," you still believe you are saved by works. That's why I do not believe that you understand the doctrine of repentance at all.

You go on to say:
From my previous post I mentioned that my Mom had left the church she had grown up in, and I'll also mention my dad grew up in as well as their parents, grandparents and ggparents, etc. and started attending a church up around Syracuse, IN when I was around 10.
Even though as I look back now there was considerable error in some of the doctrines in the church my mom started attending, they were also pretty right on in the error in celebrating the pagan holiday's we have today e.g. Easter, Halloween, Christmas, and probably the others. The bible teacher was educated and previously a professor at Grace Seminary in Warsaw, IN. I see him as a man that was very well studied in scripture, and knew how to use it to influence less knowledgeable laypeople in the church. That being said it still was the word of God being read and taught, which is what I ultimately heard and was drawn to.
It's not wrong to share information like that, but still, that's not what we're looking for. Whether some leavened church building celebrated pagan rituals or not is irrelevant to what's being asked of you.

At 13 I was aware of what sin was, and it's hold on my life.
So do criminals. We've had men in our church who visited prisons to talk with the men there, and they will tell you that they are sinners. What's the difference between you and them?

I also knew that I was ultimately powerless in getting it out of my life, and was sorry that it was in my life and really had no desire to justify it or have it in my life.
That's what I mean. There is no sorrow for what you have done, but rather you are "sorry that sin is in your life," which is distancing yourself from guilt. You speak of it as it is a thing that just happened to be attached to you, and that since you can't do anything about it, it's not really your fault.

I knew that God was the source of life and that he had created this world as good, and we had fallen from that, and our sins were against Him and the laws he has established in his word.
Yeah, this is the same standard lines repeated from the pulpits of church buildings. Knowing that God is the "source of life" does not save anyone.

I know that if I wanted to be in a right relationship with him I needed to embrace what his son had done on the cross in taking on my sins, which I hated and was sorry for. Like Chris's analogy of the man pushing me out of the way of a bus and being hit himself instead of me.
No, you didn't even understand my analogy. In the analogy, you are saying that the proper reaction to the man getting hit by the vehicle to save your life, as his blood and guts are strewn out across the road, is to say, "Hmm. Ya know, I think I need to have a proper relationship with him." Please tell me you're joking; certainly you cannot be that cold, can you?

So, all that I've mentioned before is really a testimony of the sanctification process God has been taking me through,
So here, you have admitted that you have no testimony of your conversion to Jesus Christ, which is exactly what I was pointing out to you in my previous post. You were not testifying of it before (because you just said that everything aforementioned was not your testimony), but that this was supposed to be your testimony, and I can tell you with certainty from Scripture that it is not what the Bible teaches about those who are saved by grace.

You just repeated exactly what the people in the church buildings told you that you had to say in order to be accepted when you were thirteen. And now, still today, you are repeating exactly whatever we tell you that you have to say in order to be accepted. That's not why we are here; we are here to preach repentance (i.e. grief and godly sorrow) and remission (i.e. forgiveness) of sins.

And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
-Luke 24:47

Doing a bunch of traditions or rituals or baptisms does not save anyone. The Bible clearly teaches that the heart that the heart must be humbled and crying out to God in the same manner that child comes in tears to his father when he has done wrong.

But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble. Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness. Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.
-Jms 4:6-10

I cannot teach that, meaning that I cannot bring anyone to repentance. None of us can do it. Only Holy Spirit can do that. If that is something you cannot recall experiencing, then the only thing you can do is pray that God would bring you to repentance so you can be born again.

There is not much else I can say to help you understand. I have provided everything I know how to provide in terms of information; outside of that, none of us have any power to help you any further. From what I can see, if you are telling me that you have been born again in Jesus Christ (and possibly a veteran Christian longer than I have been saved), I simply do not believe you because your conversation does not reflect it.

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Wild Emails @ CLE / More Slap-n-Run From Churchgoer

« on: March 16, 2021, 03:09:45 PM »

THOMAS FROM "USA" - March 15th
Just wanted to drop a note to inform you that I have a difficult time reading your material. It is very clear that you do not like church buildings for that theme runs through most (if not all) your writings. I'm not fond of Western religion either, but I do not harp on it nor insult those who attend church buildings, nor their pastors. Perhaps you could use a softer tone on the sins of the world.
Please send me your website/ministry so I can take a look at it. You write as if you have a lot of experience in ministry, so I would be interested to see your articles, books, and audio/video teachings you have been doing over the years so I can see this better example you are expecting others to set. Looking forward to hearing back from you on that.
20 MINUTES LATER...
I see you still have bad behavior as you said you had in Ohio. Where is your joy?  Online ministry is for those with church buildings and for those who hate differing opinion.
It is not necessary to respond.
I'm sorry but, if we have met, I do not remember who you are. Nonetheless, you did not respond to my request for your example of ministry for me to learn from. Do you not want to teach me a better way? How do I have "bad behavior" for simply requesting that you show me your version of ministry?
If you are going to continue to provide responses that have nothing to do with what I wrote to you, then we are not having a conversation together. If you do not want to have a conversation, then I am perplexed as to why you even bothered to write an email in the first place.
Surely, you would have had no problem letting me know if you had a ministry to provide an example. Does that mean you do not have one? I would not want to presume that you spoke in arrogance without understanding, so I want to give you every opportunity to clarify what it is you do and what you believe.
36 HOURS LATER...
Okay, well, your silence confirms everything I need to know. I will not take advice from someone who cannot be reasoned with, and I will not take advice from those who speak arrogantly and lazily, without having any understanding of the subject matter. You provided no specific examples of what I have done that was wrong (or even what had offended you because you likely have no knowledgeable argument against whatever it was that upset you), and refused to provide information when it was requested of you, which means I am dealing with the equivalent of a childish tantrum. I did not want to treat you in that manner, as I began to treat you respectfully, but you have left me no other option but to rebuke the foolishness of such an immature attitude.

Furthermore, I refuse to accept any advice from someone who wars against the Lord Jesus Christ as you do. Perhaps you did not think you did such a thing in your letters, but it's obvious to those who study the Word of God and take the Bible seriously. For example:
And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem, And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting: And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables; And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.
-John 2:13-16
Of course, what Jesus did there was far more aggressive than anything I have ever come close to doing, but He was right in what He did. And yet, if Jesus Christ came to this world in physical form today, you would arrogantly say to Him: "I see you still have bad behavior as you said you had in Jerusalem."

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
-Mat 7:21-23
Such people will be cast into hell and the lake of fire. I will not be casting them there; Jesus Christ will do that. However, if He were physically on earth today, you would hypocritically turn to Him and rebuke him by saying; "Perhaps you could use a softer tone on the sins of the world."
Why Millions of Believer on Jesus Are Going to Hell
Perhaps you should try reading Revelation 8 and 9 and see what the Lord God will do to the sinners of this world in the end, and then go to Him and tell Him how wrong He is for it.

It is extraordinary hypocrisy that you expect me to be "soft" on such matters, when you have displayed no such "soft" attitude in your letters to me. The problem with Thomas from "USA" is that he believes that anyone is wrong if they disagree with the personal feelings of his heart (which is completely self-serving)...
He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.
-Pro 28:26

...instead of judging righteous judgment to look at what the Bible says we ought to do, and discerning the truth based on the Word of God.
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
-John 7:24
For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
-Heb 5:13-14

While scoffing and scorning in the vicious, backbiting manner you have displayed, you have the hypocritical audacity to question where my joy is.
A scorner seeketh wisdom, and findeth it not: but knowledge is easy unto him that understandeth.
-Pro 14:6
A scorner loveth not one that reproveth him: neither will he go unto the wise.
-Pro 15:12
Cast out the scorner, and contention shall go out; yea, strife and reproach shall cease.
-Pro 22:10

The problem with the churchgoers in the "church buildings" you mentioned is that they quickly (i.e. anon) with joy receive the Word of God, but when persecution and tribulation comes from the controversy of speaking the truth of God's Word (which most of them avoid doing so they will not have to suffer persecution), like yourself, they are offended. Such are what Jesus described as false converts:
But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it; Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.
-Mat 13:20-21
False Converts vs Eternal Security

While skulking around in the darkness, hiding your beliefs so you will not have to come under scrutiny, you write slap-n-run letters to people and think you are justified. You will not have justification on that matter when you stand before God to give an account because you do such things without repentance (i.e. grief and godly sorrow of wrongdoing):
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
-John 3:19-21
Is Repentance Part of Salvation?

God gives grace to the humble, not the proud of heart who refuse to have a reasonable discussion with someone.
Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
-Isa 1:18

He has called the world to be humbled, to turn their joy to heaviness, so they will understand godly sorrow (i.e. repentance):
But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble. Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness. Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.
-Jms 4:6-10

That is why I make my ministry, testimony, and teachings open in the light, and that is why you still hide in the darkness. (I confess that I am a bit curious though because I cannot see exactly what your for-profit company, Souls Anchor Inc, used to do in Georgia before you deregistered it.) You have the attitude of what the Bible calls a 'railer', which is one who claims to be of Christ, but resorts to evil words, curses, murmuring, and backbiting. God says they are wicked in their hearts, and we are to sanctify ourselves from them:
But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat... Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
-1Co 5:11-13

Everything you have said has opposed the Word of God, and you are willingly blind to that fact. Despite those things, I pray the Lord Jesus Christ would bless you and your family with all your needs throughout the coming week, and I also pray that He gives you as much grace and mercy as He has given to me. This is how the Bible says we should speak with railers:
Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing.
-1Pe 3:9
I need to get back to work now. I hope there is peace in your household. Have a wonderful day, and I pray the Lord Jesus Christ would give you repentance to the acknowledging of the truth, just as He has done for me.
In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
-2Ti 2:25
END OF DISCUSSION
This is just another typical hypocrite who is whining about something. Someone shared one of my books or articles with him, he might have read a few paragraphs of it at most, and then wanted to whine about it. I always wonder if these people expect me to read two sentence of their whining and just throw away the past 12 years of ministry because they didn't like something. I just cannot understand why someone would think that their scoffing little email is going to change everything, or why they think the world is going to succumb to their personal feelings.

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What's New @ CLE / (WEEKLY TEACHING) Corruptions of Christianity: Catholicism p23

« on: March 15, 2021, 03:08:34 PM »

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Hello, my name is Vince

« on: March 11, 2021, 10:07:27 AM »

I had the same concerns as Tim when I read your response. As much as you claimed to understand repentance and the Gospel, your last line told me something completely different:
"Striving to be one of the few"

That indicates to me that you do not understand the Gospel of Jesus Christ because you believe that in order to be one of the "few" who find the way to eternal life, that you have to "strive" to get there. Such a thing cannot be accomplished by your works; you can't claw your own way into heaven.
And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
-Rom 11:6

You cannot "strive" your way to salvation and eternal life, and that sounds like you have the "churchgoer" beliefs of the church buildings you grew up attending. You went from skipping over that subject to talking about Q drops, and I see that you went straight from your last response over to the Insurrection thread, and that was one of my concerns before I even started that thread. I wondered if it was going to be a problem later. We've had people jump on to this forum and kind of blow past the salvation part so they can start discussing more worldly matters. Frankly, if that thread is going to be a distraction from the basis of the Gospel, I'll delete the whole thing, or at least move it to the private section of our forum; I have no problem doing that.

This subject is far more important, and I can agree with Jeanne's post too. No one is just born into salvation. That's why Jesus said you have to be born again. People CAN be born into being a churchgoer, but that's a different matter entirely. The problem is that when they're born into being a churchgoer, they think they have nothing to be sorrowful for (except worldly things), and that comes back to what Jesus said in Revelation:
Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
-Rev 3:17

I’ve been a believer in Jesus Christ for as long as I can remember.
I was raised with Christian values,
Statements like that do not give any indication of what Jesus did for a sinner to save him. Saved from what? You gave us nothing. Therefore, from the perspective of those who have been saved, this is not a "testimony" of anything except your "churchianity" experiences. I cannot even imagine someone approaching the judgment seat of God and when they have to give an account, they say, "Well, I’ve been a believer in Jesus Christ for as long as I can remember. I was raised with Christian values, and I made sure to faithfully listen to the X22 Report." -- and then they think God's going to say, "Well done my good and faithful servant, you went to church buildings and listened to podcasts! You did it!" I really don't get why people have that mentality other than the fact that they do not understand what Jesus taught about repentance and faith, and what those things mean.

But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
-Mat 13:23
False Converts vs Eternal Security

There was nothing in your posts that remotely involved sin, the law, guilt of anything, nor being saved from those things, and the only time you mentioned repentance (i.e. godly sorrow of sin) was because someone else asked you about it. Then, in your response, there was really nothing about your personal testimony of those things. You basically said, "Great study, I appreciate it. I was wondering about some aspects of that, and so I'll keep praying for understanding." -- and then you just moved on from there to start talking about some other preacher and your marriage.

It's like these things are just blowing right past you without actually piercing the mind and heart.
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
-Heb 4:12

Let me try to explain this a different way, and then perhaps you'll understand our perspective a little better:

Let's suppose you were walking down the street and did not notice a truck speeding up behind you, and right before it struck you, a man jumped out and pushed you out of the way. The truck hit the man and killed him instantly, but the man saved your life. In that particular moment, what is your reaction? When you approach the man who was hit by the truck, the man that saved your life, and you're looking at his bloody corpse, what is your reaction?

Would your reaction be to say, "I'll strive to do better." Would your reaction be to casually say, "Hmm, that's very interesting." Or, would your reaction be grief? We have read and listened to many testimonies, and I can tell you, I'm seeing nothing in your posts that indicate to me that you have a "relationship" with God.

Would you entertain the thought that you do not have a relationship with Jesus Christ, or is that a foregone conclusion in your mind? I'm not going to push the matter with you if that's what you want to believe; I'll just bid you a good day and move on. However, the problem is that men like John MacArthur (who is a false preacher I want to do a "Wolves in Costume" article on) puts the idea in peoples' minds that if they "love Jesus," they're salvation is secure, treating grace like it's a free sample at a grocery store (as opposed to a selective gift), and they have no understanding of what it means to be converted because John MacArthur himself was never converted. Essentially, it's churchgoers convincing other churchgoers that they're all faithful servants of God, without any concern of what it means to be saved.

That's what I'm seeing. I was waiting for others here to chime in first before I said anything, but as you can see, not very many people have responded. There is a long-standing habit of the Christians here that if they are confused or unsure about what a person says when they come here, they stay silent, and typically, it's because they do not know what to say or how to approach that person. As you can see, there are a lot of people here confused by your introduction post, or they would have said something already.

I'm not sure what else to say, so I'll stop there. All I can say is that when I'm reading your posts, I get the impression of a man who is a very experienced churchgoer, but I do not get the impression of someone who has been born again in Jesus Christ.

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
-Mat 7:21-23
Why Millions of Believers on Jesus Are Going to Hell

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General Discussion / Re: Kevin, Can You Help Solve This Mystery?

« on: February 18, 2021, 11:57:43 PM »

Yeah, it sounded ridiculous, but I wanted to run it by you first.

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General Discussion / Kevin, Can You Help Solve This Mystery?

« on: February 18, 2021, 07:59:06 PM »

Some people around the U.S. are reporting strange snow that can burn:
bitchute.com/video/8vingAfqAxGX/

I just wonder if this is some sort of normal phenomena that is scientifically valid, or if they're on to something here. Please let me know your thoughts. We tested ours, and it melts like normal.

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Introduce Yourself / Re: "...and the truth shall make you free"

« on: February 17, 2021, 10:17:54 AM »

Steven, you're not going to like what I'm about to say. I just want to preface that to try and prepare you. If I take what you just said at face value, this reads out like the typical false convert I have seen time and time again.

In fact, your testimony is almost precisely what Jesus described in the parable of the sower:

But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it; Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.
-Mat 13:20-21

The word 'anon' means "quickly," and such men receive the word with joy, rather than grief. Repentance is grief and godly sorrow of one's wrongdoing, not a "change of mind."

Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing. For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
-2Co 7:9-10

Learn more: Is Repentance Part of Salvation? (Part 1)

Since you said you were familiar with Luke, Jesus opened the understanding of His disciples before His return to heaven, after He had accomplished everything He set out to do, and gave them commandment of what they were to teach:

And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
-Luke 24:44-47

Learn more: False Converts vs Eternal Security (Part 1)

Everything Christ did culminated in the doctrine of repentance and remission of sins. Again, the word 'repent' generally means "grief," and in the context of mankind, it means "godly sorrow of one's own sin." The word 'remission' means "forgiveness," which means there is no forgiveness of sins, there is no grace, without humility in the godly sorrow that is repentance.

But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
-James 4:6

If you understood your own sin, and you understood what Jesus Christ had done, then you would also understand why your introduction post makes no sense to us. (i.e. Two others on this forum already noticed the same thing I noticed before I got to it.)

For example, if you were walking across the street and did not see a fast approaching vehicle, but another man pushed you out of the way, he got hit by the car, and died... what would be your reaction? Is your reaction to "keep an open mind and follow your heart?" Is your reaction to investigate the laws of physics and discover how you were deceived about the inner workings of the automobile industry?

Those of us who know Jesus Christ don't just know His sacrifice; rather, we understand it.

But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
-Mat 13:23

I know you think you understand things now because you've studied the ins and outs of corporations, but that is not how the Bible says men are converted. I would challenge you to find anywhere in Scripture where men were converted by saying, "Well, I was born into this world a Christian, but I didn't take it seriously. Now I'm serious."

There are many more things that could be said, but I want to keep focus on the basics, and try to demonstrate to you that your thinking is not in line with Scripture. You said:
"I knew there were more mysteries surrounding the Bible yet uncovered, so I kept an open mind and followed my heart."

Following your heart is exactly the problem:

He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.
-Pro 28:26
The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
-Jer 17:9

I can think of no more to say for the time being; only that everything you have said so far points to false conversion, and as the others so accurately pointed out, there was nothing remotely pointing to Jesus Christ in what you wrote, which strongly indicates a man who follows the feelings of his heart, rather than the truth of Jesus Christ. I hope those teachings might help, and since you said you had been listening to teachings, I gave you links to audio teachings; the links to the written teachings are in the descriptions of the videos if you need them.

Finally, I noticed that you cut out a small phrase of John 8 in your title, rather than understanding the context. The truth alone does not make men free, but rather:
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
-John 8:31-32

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General Discussion / Re: 2nd Amendment Rights

« on: February 10, 2021, 09:09:11 PM »

Just because I fixed the foreign character issue, does not mean that this forum is designed to recognize all images of any kind. Some of us may be able to view them, but others cannot. I hope everyone just keeps that in mind when using such things.

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What's New @ CLE / Re: (VIDEO) My Last Video on YouTube (For Now)

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I have never collected any ad revenue from any media site, and I make everything free without ads if I can help it. Rumble may have some ads on the side of the page, but that is automatic; I cannot turn that off because Rumble has to create ad revenue for itself to be sustainable (which is understandable because they are not a billionaire media giant like Google/YouTube), but please note that I am not making revenue off that, and there should not be any video ads inserted into the video itself.

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