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Introduce Yourself / Re: New Member

« on: June 19, 2021, 11:52:42 PM »

That's an interesting story. God was really looking out for you that whole time. I'm sure you'll have a lot of interesting things to talk about, considering how much doctrine you have heard and analyzed, and seen the truth in God's Word.

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Kia Ora from New Zealand (Part One)

« on: June 17, 2021, 02:34:13 PM »

Well, the response you just gave was more well rounded, and even from just the short conversation between you and I in this post, I can see evidence of a heart of godly sorrow, in which you are grieved that you have grieved God. That's who we, as a church, are. I am also grieved that I have grieved God by my own sin, so we, as the church, are the born again elect of God, saved by the blood of Christ, who gave us a repentant heart.

And that is the difference between those who profess Christ who go to hell, and those who profess Christ who go on to eternal life in heaven. That's why I wrote this book:
Why Millions of Believers on Jesus Are Going to Hell

I didn't write that because I wanted to make churchgoers angry. I wrote that for people just like you, so they could understand the fullness of Christ's Gospel and have confidence in His salvation. God gives men repentance for the remission of sins, and a lot of people would have already lashed out against us for what we have said to you so far because they never got that repentance, but you did not lash out at us because you were given that humility of repentance.
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
-Heb 6:1

The knowledge, wisdom, and understanding will come with time, study, and prayer.
For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
-Heb 5:13-14

A major reason I want to come here is for fellowship. I don't have a church, and there are no sound churches in my area.

I got that impression. That's why I wanted to address you on those points, just specifically on the Scripture to make sure we're on the same page, and again, that was me speaking from a position of only knowing what you said in your responses since I have not read your original post yet.

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What's New @ CLE / Re: (VIDEO) CLE U.S. Current Events Update | 6-10-21

« on: June 17, 2021, 11:45:53 AM »

When I spoke of false flags within the Q movement, Q warned about this. Be careful who you follow.

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Kia Ora from New Zealand (Part One)

« on: June 17, 2021, 10:34:38 AM »

Apologies for two consecutive posts, but I have just realised that I can't edit my own posts on here (unless there is something I've missed?).

Correct; you only have a 30 minute window to edit your post before it locks. This is to prevent people from altering posts for deceptive reasons, of which we have had many such people blocked from doing so.

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Kia Ora from New Zealand (Part One)

« on: June 17, 2021, 10:32:05 AM »

In writing what I did, I was more wanting to reprove my own past works of darkness by exposing them and bringing them to light. This isn't something I've talked about very often (because of shame and so on). But there was a bit of the vehement desire, zeal and revenge mentioned in 2 Corinthians 7:11.

I have not read your introduction post, or rather, posts, but I wanted to make a few comments. First of all, in the "New Members Click Here" section, I provided examples of good introduction posts, and they were not structured like what you gave. Secondly, to that point, if you are having to go beyond the character limit for a post, and you are not writing an entire teaching or having a debate with someone, that should raise some concerns in your own mind.

I wanted to address the Scriptures you are using because it sounds like you either don't fully understand them, or you are just casually using them to imply a Scriptural reason for writing a long post. That is not what those verses are for.

The first part is from John 3:

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
-John 3:16-18

So in the context of this verse, Jesus Christ is being set center stage as the foundation of salvation, preaching that the keeping of the law of God is not how a man is justified, and many Jews hated that because they perceived themselves to be righteous by keeping the law.

And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
-John 3:19-21

The light that is come into the world is Jesus Christ, and men loved darkness, which is not just concerning sin, but also the ordinances of the Jews, the religious traditions of men. They love those things, and do evil in the darkness because it covers up their evil ways of living, and therefore, they will not come to hear Christ preach the truth to them, nor will they hear His disciples preach the truth to them, because they do not want to be rebuked and corrected. Those who are the children of God gladly come to hear the truth of Christ preached because, once Christ has given them grace and they are forgiven, they know they can live more openly because they do not live in their sin -- not that they have no sin, or do not sin, but live no longer therein, and hate those things.

These verses do not say anything along the lines of coming forward publicly and telling every specific dirty thing you have ever done. Why would you need to do that if the Lord Jesus Christ has forgiven you and cleansed you with His blood? Why would you need to treat us as if we are some sort of Catholic priest you have to confess to? You should go to God with those specific details, not to us, and if you already have, then why are you coming to us to give specific confessions about what God has already handled within you?

If we confess our sins [i.e. TO HIM], he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
-1Jo 1:9

The second Scriptures you referred to are here:

For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, what clearing of yourselves, yea, what indignation, yea, what fear, yea, what vehement desire, yea, what zeal, yea, what revenge! In all things ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter.
-2Co 7:11

Sometimes, I think there are people who, when coming to this forum, think they have to prove something. Please do not misunderstand; their testimony provides evidence to us of their salvation in Jesus Christ, but what I mean is that they are TRYING to prove something, rather than simply writing out their testimony of salvation in Jesus Christ, which is a simple matter. Those who have been born again in Christ don't have to prove anything because the evidence of their conversion will come forth naturally.

Vehemence in this context is more along the lines of a passionate desire to do good works, and to help out anyone in need, especially when it comes to the furtherance of the Gospel of Christ. I'll explain more once I do the commentary notes on these chapters (which is coming soon), but the zeal being spoken of is not demonstrated by listing out every specific detail of every sin you have committed (because even Catholics do that in a confession box), but zeal in Christ is demonstrated by motivation and discipline with the church and for doctrines of Christ, and the supporting of the ministers in the church, in helping them to combat against the false doctrines of false preachers, so that some can be saved.

The clearing of yourselves section; we have to remember that Paul was essentially addressing incest and fornication. Therefore, clearing of themselves would be to openly rebuke those things, and for those who would not repent of their wrongdoing, to remove them from fellowship and communion together with the church, so there would be sanctification, and therefore, would show themselves cleared on that matter, that they would not be spiritually yoking together with those who still live in darkness and would not repent of their sin.

This is why it is so important to understand the verses, and not just use them in a casual or uncaring manner; like to say "this reminded me of these verses." The reason I address that is because, for other people reading this forum, who are not a part of it, may take away misunderstandings from what you are saying. You have to remember that hundreds of other people read this forum, so we need to have that "carefulness" Paul talked about in 2nd Corinthians when say things here -- this is not just some casual social media platform; this is a community of Christians, and we are setting an example.

The passionate desire and zeal is not a bad thing when concerning the things of Jesus Christ, but unrestrained passions without proper wisdom and understanding is just foolishness. Now, because I have not read this very lengthy post, I do not want to be to harsh with you on this matter, because as far as I know, you could have gotten saved last week, and for someone who is new in Christ, I don't want to be too overbearing, since wisdom and understanding come by the grace of God with time. I understand that you have your own purposes for why you wanted to come here and talk with us, but in a face-to-face encounter, when meeting some new people for the first time, you would not have verbally said all the things you just wrote, and therefore, if you would not have done it in normal conversation, why do you believe that you need to act unnaturally when you come to this forum?

I don't know about other people, but I simply write the way that I talk. Maybe you can just try that instead because there is no call to impress here. I hope that's helpful.

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What's New @ CLE / (WEEKLY TEACHING) Psychology: Hoodwinked by the Devil p6

« on: June 14, 2021, 12:43:40 PM »

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Wild Emails @ CLE / Re: Believing in a Flat Earth is the New Repentance

« on: June 12, 2021, 06:31:12 PM »

And yes, I had to block his email address because he would not stop spamming my inbox. How could I possibly have known that?

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Wild Emails @ CLE / Believing in a Flat Earth is the New Repentance

« on: June 12, 2021, 04:26:26 PM »

Before reading this interaction, it would be good for you to get a context of what happened on this forum before these letters were written. You can read that thread here: http://www.creationliberty.com/forum/index.php?topic=1386.msg11828#msg11828
JEFF FROM TEXAS:
I have a question. I enjoyed the article on the Greek scam. And how these false teachers in these churches operate. I been knowing for many years that they are decievers. I would not go to any Church in this world to be honest. They are all corrupted or Apostate. The Church is very few. Millions are literally being decieved.
My question is to the Author of that article. The Greek Scam. I am curious to your point of view of the Earth and what the Bible says and what NASA says. Now let me clarify that NASA is part of this world and they have a serpent tongue logo. And many beleive them and their obvious CGI fakery. The Bible says the earth is stable and cannot be moved. It's also says God separated the waters above and below the firmament. So that would indicate water is above us. We have a solid firmament above us as the Bible says. We are being decieved on purpose and I really want to know where you stand on that. Are you with most of the decieved world or are you awake to the Spinning water ball scam?
I have a question. I enjoyed the article on the Greek scam. And how these false teachers in these churches operate. I been knowing for many years that they are decievers. I would not go to any Church in this world to be honest. They are all corrupted or Apostate. The Church is very few. Millions are literally being decieved.
I just saw your letter this afternoon. It did not appear to me until today for some reason. Just so we are clear, your childish tantrum on our forum yesterday led most of us (if not all of us) to believe that you are not part of that few.
Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.
-1Co 14:20
I just want to make sure you understand that before I continue to respond to your inquiry. You have not provided me any evidence in your conversation so far that you are of Christ, and that is because you have indicated that you believe in a false, works-based doctrine, and you seem to be a product of "conspiracy ministries" (which are not really ministries of Christ), rather than prioritizing understanding of God's Word. If that is not the case, then you will have to show me something else besides what you have said and done so far.

My question is to the Author of that article. The Greek Scam.
That's me.

I am curious to your point of view of the Earth and what the Bible says and what NASA says.
As my mother used to say, "What does that have to do with the price of eggs in China?" Or in other words, you read a teaching exposing the fraud of the "Original Greek," and then move onto NASA conspiracies; two topics that have absolutely nothing to do with each other. If you cannot see the problem with that, I am not sure that I can help you with that; you may have to find someone else to help you.

Now let me clarify that NASA is part of this world and they have a serpent tongue logo. And many beleive them and their obvious CGI fakery. The Bible says the earth is stable and cannot be moved.
I know Jeff. I know what the "conspiracy ministries" teach. I know they teach you that the earth is stable and cannot move because they say that Psalm 93 says "the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved," and I know they took that completely out of its context for its meaning, and I know they completely ignore the verses that don't fit their narrative, such as:
The LORD reigneth; let the people tremble: he sitteth between the cherubims; let the earth be moved.
-Psa 99:1
And I know they don't want to hear the actual interpretation of those verses for understanding even though I would be happy to explain it to them if they would just ask, and I know they would just rather rail on and attack me personally because they hate correction, just like you did on our forum.
Correction is grievous unto him that forsaketh the way: and he that hateth reproof shall die.
-Pro 15:10
EVERY PERSON I have met over the past decade who believes like you do has acted EXACTLY the way you did on our forum. Rage. Hatred. Contention. I know Jeff. This is nothing new.
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
-Gal 5:19-21

No one in our church or forum community thinks that NASA is good, and we know they are scamming people, but one day, if God brings you to the humility of repentance, and then He gives you a good understanding to learn the truth of His Word, come back and reason together with us.
Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
-Isa 1:18

But for men who think they really "seek the truth," they have not been humbled to the godly sorrow of their wrongdoing, to know that no man really seeks after God, and that God has to come to them and give them understanding. You had no interest to know whether or not we teach the truth of Christ's Gospel, but rather, you wanted to know if we teach the truth about NASA... that speaks volumes about what you really hold as the foundation of your faith, and all I can say is that you and I do not worship the same God:
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: Their feet are swift to shed blood: Destruction and misery are in their ways: And the way of peace have they not known: There is no fear of God before their eyes.
-Rom 3:10-18

It's also says God separated the waters above and below the firmament. So that would indicate water is above us. We have a solid firmament above us as the Bible says.
The Bible also says the world was covered with water in a flood. I guess nothing has changed since then, and we're all drowning and don't even realize it. (i.e. You hold the philosophy of uniformitarianism, which is an evolutionary worldview, but that's something I don't think you want to hear about right now.) That was a bit of sarcasm, but it was to demonstrate the point that things change, especially when it comes to the pre-flood world.
The Pre-Flood World

We are being decieved on purpose and I really want to know where you stand on that. Are you with most of the decieved world or are you awake to the Spinning water ball scam?
I stand with the Lord Jesus Christ. That's why I have a ministry to preach the truth of Christ, not to appease your personal whims. Have a great day.
Thanks for you reponse...  you guys love to throw scripture around and don't even use it correctly. Its does matter what we live on and we have been lied to....this world is filled with with nothing but lies and the ball earth deception has brought many to Jesus. Including myself.  Again you people ignore actual scriptures. You seem to only use scripture that benefits you...all scripture is truth and should be treated as such.  You people are the rudest crew I have every witnessed. Yall continually put people down and accuse them of doing it. You are a very arrogant group of radicals. Claim  you love Jesus and show no fruits. Very weird..
I have no idea what you mean when you say I believe  in a  works based doctrine.  Here are a few scriptures on repentence and works together.

Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

Acts 26:19-20 KJV
Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision: But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and bring forth works worthy of repentence.

You are so involved in that one word repentance. I beleive that repentence is Godly sorrow. But it also means To change your mind. You cant pick and choose scripture for you and your self proclaimed teachings. You think you are wise but actually have no wisdom at all.  If you are going to teach Gods word. Stop picking and choosing scriptures that benefit your agenda.

Faith without works is dead. There must be fruits/works if you are saved. We are still under the moral law. Although all ordinances were nailed to the cross.

We will still sin that's obvious. But to willfully continue to sin and say you Love Jesus Christ is a lie from satan.  To continue to watch sports, movies, the news and listen to the trashy music and hang with Ungodly people there is no way you are saved. You accuse people of not being saved when yall are so arrogant.. a prideful crew of people. Self righteous.  I have nothing agianst you guys but you are the ones not showing fruits of repentence.
this world is filled with with nothing but lies and the ball earth deception has brought many to Jesus. Including myself.
Oooh! Okay. That was the missing piece of the puzzle. Now I understand why you did not want to give your testimony of salvation, because you knew it would not match Scripture and the way the BIBLE says men are saved. I'll get to that in a moment, but I want to read the rest of your letter first.

Again you people ignore actual scriptures.
That's an interesting argument because I was giving you plenty of them to support everything I was telling you. However, once again, here we have a flat earth culter (and yes, it is a religious cult; even if it were true, it would still be a religious cult) who will not ASK what the interpretation of those Scriptures are, and that is because they do not care. (i.e. That is the general attitude of those who are in religious cults -- just blindly follow the party line, and ignore everything else.)

You seem to only use scripture that benefits you
You don't seem to quote any verses (i.e. you never once gave chapter and verse of Scripture on the forum, nor in your first letter to me, which tends to indicate someone who either doesn't know it or is lazy), so I would rather talk to someone (i.e. that claims to be a Christ) who quotes the Word of God than someone who quotes nothing. Tell me, who was it on the forum that said "faith without works is dead?"
Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
-James 2:18
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
-2Ti 2:15
So the very verse you were paraphrasing (instead of quoting), is the very verse I am now using. Therefore, if I am guilty of what you accused me of, then you are guilty of it too. So it is not that I use Scripture that "benefits [me]," but rather, I am using Scripture FOR YOUR SAKE. Now, if you do not want to hear the Word of God quoted to you because it is correcting your philosophy (i.e. way of thinking) and correcting your behavior, all you have to do is just say so and be straight-forward with me, but if that is the case, then that actually makes sense because, as I told you before, people who have forsaken the ways of God hate correction and reproof:
Correction is grievous unto him that forsaketh the way: and he that hateth reproof shall die.
-Pro 15:10
So, your statement sounds like projection. (i.e. You jump to accuse others of what you are guilty of doing.) Let's continue to read your letter, and see if you only use Scripture that "benefits you."

all scripture is truth and should be treated as such
That contradicts what you just said. Why are you not acknowledging the Scriptures I'm giving you as truth, and treating them as such? Why are you treating God's Word as if it is just for "my benefit?"
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
-2Ti 3:16

You people are the rudest crew I have every witnessed.
Again, that's projection (i.e. accusing others of what you are guilty of doing), or in other words, what the Bible calls "hypocrisy."
rude: rough, uneven, rugged, of coarse manners, unpolished, violent, fierce, harsh
(See 'rude', American Dictionary of the English Language, Noah Webster, 1828, retrieved June 12, 2021, [webstersdictionary1828.com])
A young lady, in response to your original post, gently asked you a few questions about yourself, and your first response to her said:
"Where is your love friend? You seem to lack it."
That is the very definition of rude, especially in your hypocritical use of the word 'friend'. Perhaps I should define hypocrite, since you are using the word 'rude' without understanding its meaning, I should not assume you understand what a hypocrite is either:
hypocrite: one who feigns to be what he is not; one who assumes a false appearance
(See 'hypocrite', American Dictionary of the English Language, Noah Webster, 1828, retrieved June 12, 2021, [webstersdictionary1828.com])
Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
-Mat 7:5
You hypocritically use the username "jesusistheway," when the truth is that your username should be "flatearthistheway." That would be much more open and honest. I'll get to that in a moment, but I want to address your letter one step at a time.

Yall continually put people down and accuse them of doing it.
You mean like how we're continually told we are "the rudest crew" you have ever witnessed, and then you accuse us of putting you down? That's called projection. That's what you're doing, and you are doing it without ANY concern for the judgments of God, without any fear of His oversight:
But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
-Mat 12:36

You are a very arrogant group of radicals.
More projection. When you're done "continually put[ting] people down," let's get to your Scriptural arguments.

Claim  you love Jesus and show no fruits. Very weird
Yeah, it's very weird when someone does that. It's weird when a man, who takes no thought to what he says, writes things down quickly without consideration or proof reading, continually puts down those who take time to write out Scripture, explain it, put in links, color coding and others such things to make it easier to read and understand, along with someone like me, who has hundreds of free articles, free books, and hundreds of hours of free audio teachings over the past 12 years of ministry, are accused of "show[ing] no fruits." Hmm. It kinda sounds like projection.
Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
-James 2:18
If I am wrong, please, show me your ministry. Give me links so I can take a look at your fruit so you can show me a better example. I would like to take a look. I'll wait to hear back from you on that.

I have no idea what you mean when you say I believe  in a  works based doctrine.
That was already explained to you by two people on our forum who quoted your own words back to you. Without confidence that you are reading what is being said, I will explain it to you again.

In Scripture, repentance is part of salvation (i.e. obviously, alongside believing in the Lord Jesus Christ). If you do not understand those verses, I'll leave a link to a teaching where you can find it:
Is Repentance Part of Salvation?
That's why Jesus taught us to go out to the world and teach repentance and remission of sins:
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
-Luke 24:47
According to Biblical definitions, repentance means "grief and godly sorrow of one's wrongdoing" and remission means "forgiveness." What's amazing about the King James Bible is that it has a built-in dictionary for most of the words that it uses, and God defined repentance at the very beginning back in Genesis:
And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
-Gen 6:6
God defined repentance as "grief," which is the general definition of the word. Remember, you said:
"all scripture is truth and should be treated as such"
And later, you will say:
"You cant pick and choose scripture for you and your self proclaimed teachings."
So, let me show you another word in Scripture to cross reference what I just showed you:
contrite: broken-hearted for sin; deeply affected with grief and sorrow for having offended God
(See 'contrite', American Dictionary of the English Language, Noah Webster, 1828, retrieved June 12, 2021, [webstersdictionary1828.com])
So who does God save? Who does he draw close to? The Bible tells us:
The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit.
-Psa 34:18
Did the Bible say that God draws nigh (i.e. close) to those who believe in a flat earth and saveth such as expose NASA? No, it did not. That is your personal "test of faith," but that is not the test of faith according to the Lord God. Those who are not humbled to repentance (i.e. godly sorrow for sins) are not saved.
But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
-James 4:6
Because we (who are on our forum and in our church) know these things, that is why we are very cautious of you because it was clear that, when you joined the forum, you had no intention or understanding to preach repentance and remission of sins (which is why you did not want to share your testimony with us), but rather, you are teaching flat-earth for the remission of sins, which is not what Christ taught us. A repeat-after-me "sinner's prayer" does not save a single soul.

So to address your statement (because those who do not want understanding have no interest in asking a question), you said:
"repentence has many definitions and uses. It can mean sorrow, but more so means to turn from you sin"
Therefore, you believe that the primary definition of repentance means "to turn from you[r] sin." So because repentance is part of salvation, you then believe you have to "turn from your sin" to be saved, and that is works doctrine. I hope the third explanation helps you understand this more clearly, however, since you switched your definition on the forum after you were called out on this contradiction, that provides me some evidence to suggest that you do understand what we said, but instead of confessing that you did not understand the matter, you are trying to deceive and lie to save face.

What is fascinating to me is that you were so interested in my article, "The 'Original Greek' Scam," but the problem is that it is the "Original Greek" people who are pushing the false narrative that 'repent' means "to turn from sin." That is not what the Bible teaches us. I would explain more to you on that matter, but I address most of that in the repentance article I linked above, which you are welcome to read and then get back with me to critique it if you would like.

Here are a few scriptures on repentence and works together.
Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
You forgot the reference at the end; it's Luke 3:8. Now, READ IT SLOWLY. This is not a keyword search game. You said it was Scripture about "repentance and works together," but it says, "bring forth fruits WORTHY OF repentance," meaning that those who have a foundation laid in them of godly sorrow for their sins, should bring forth fruits (i.e. works) that are reflective of that heart of humility. It does not say "bring forth works worthy of works" nor does it say "bring forth turning from sin worthy of turning from sin." That is just redundancy.

Acts 26:19-20 KJV
Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision: But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and bring forth works worthy of repentence.
Again, slow down and read it carefully. I know you have the capability to type in the word "repentance" into a keyword bible search engine (i.e. I can do that too), but we need to study it to understand it. It says that "they should repent (i.e. have godly sorrow of their wrongdoing in humility) AND turn to God." I would highly suggest reading the repentance teaching I linked above for you because I explain all of these Scriptures in there. If you believe that repentance means to turn from sin and turn to God, that means you believe this verse says "that they should turn from sin and turn to God and turn to God, and bring forth works (i.e. turning from sin and turning to God) worthy of turning from sin and turning to God." That is just redundant nonsense, and I will not accuse God of teaching us redundant nonsense. What this is teaching is that men should have godly sorrow for their sins, and turn to God, and then once they have done that, they should do works that are worthy of that humble, repentant heart.

You are so involved in that one word repentance.
Indeed I am, because it is important to me. God gave me repentance, and that is how I was saved.
In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
-2Ti 2:25
That is how all born again Christians are saved. Those who go through another method are NOT saved because they profess to be saved through another method that Jesus Christ did not give to us. So those who think they turn from their sin to be saved believe in a false works-based doctrine, and they are not saved.
For example, you said:
ball earth deception has brought many to Jesus. Including myself
Unless those people came to repentance for the remission of sins, they are not saved. So my foundation is repentance and faith in Christ for my salvation, but your foundation is flat-earth and faith in Christ. Our discernment for who is saved or not is based on who has come to repentance and faith in Christ, while your discerning factor is who believes in flat earth. Therefore, because your position has no basis in the Gospel of Jesus Christ, we have to conclude that you are not saved, and that you are preaching a false gospel because you have built a house upon the sand.
And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
-Mat 7:26-27

I beleive that repentence is Godly sorrow. But it also means To change your mind.
Now you are switching definitions again. Did you make a mistake? Did you lie to us? Did you not know anything about it until you did some keyword searching online after we addressed you on the matter? You have told us you believe 'repent' means "to turn from sin," then we pointed out your works doctrine, so you changed your tune and said you believe it was godly sorrow, but now you're trying to change it again to say it is a change of mind. Again, it is false doctrine which you have received from those who have no understanding of God's Word. I address all that in the teaching on repentance I linked above, and again, "turn from sin" and "change of mind" comes from the Greek grammar dictionaries, not from the King James Bible.
Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing. For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
-2Co 7:9-10
The opposite of the humility of repentance is pride. That is why I quoted James 4:6 to you earlier, and now I will quote it again along with more verses that follow it because it fascinating what you will find:
But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble. Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness. Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.
-James 4:6-10

You cant pick and choose scripture for you and your self proclaimed teachings.
Neither can you, but as anyone can see, you ignored the Scriptures I gave you in my first letter (and on the forum) and you scorned at them instead, but as you can see, I addressed the Scriptures you gave to me. So who's the hypocrite here?
The heart of the righteous studieth to answer: but the mouth of the wicked poureth out evil things.
-Pro 15:28
A scorner loveth not one that reproveth him: neither will he go unto the wise.
-Pro 15:12

You think you are wise but actually have no wisdom at all.
I'll leave that to God to decide. That's why I rely on His words, and not my own words, whereas you rely on your own words and not on His words. That's why I spend so much time quoting Scripture, and why you seem to despise the fact that I do that.
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
-1Co 2:13
For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
-1Co 1:17

If you are going to teach Gods word. Stop picking and choosing scriptures that benefit your agenda.
You know what really made you angry about my first email response to you? This verse:
The LORD reigneth; let the people tremble: he sitteth between the cherubims; let the earth be moved.
-Psa 99:1
The flat earth community forgot to tell you about that one, didn't they? When you're ready to "stop picking and choosing Scriptures that benefit your agenda," let me know, and we can have a chat. Have a great day.
You guys sure enjoy writing down what we said and then attacking it with scriptures that have nothing to do with what we are talking about.  I dont have time to sit and write down a bunch scripture and use it falsely agianst others because you are self righteousness. I never said we should not have Godly sorrow. Matter of fact thats what we should have in order to be saved.  And to Recognize we are sinners agianst a Holy God.. But repent also has other meanings..and used for that purpose in the Bible. Do you really think God changed his mind when he repented.  Absolutely not! He grieved/ repented because he had created us.
Do you watch TV Christopher? Do you watch Sports? Do you listen to worldly music?  Or any music for that matter including main stream Christian? Are you on facebook Christopher?  If you think Social media evil.  It's all trash of this world. Every bit of it. Jesus said you cannot love the world and serve him. You cannot serve both. You have not said anything about giving up this world Christopher. You are good at throwing scripture around. But that's about it.
JESUS said many will be turned away by him because he never knew them. Do you think you are the only one that can interpret scripture?  I refuse  to sit here and right down every scritpture like some arrogant troll. Speaking for myself. Not you. I know what Gods word says.
I dont even think you realize just how arrogant and prideful you are Christopher and yes I will call you by your name. You used a definition on me of exaclty how you are, you and your  band of prideful, self righteous, arrogant, egotistical band of hateful people...

It's funny how you call me an evolutionist when you believe the evolution lie of what the earth is...Dude do you not see the hypocrisy?  I cannot believe you used they few scriptures on me that have nothing to do with fake outer space. It's a freemason/luciferian evolutionary lie...start reading you Bible correctly.  You use the KJV and yet you called God the Creator liar. By saying I misinterpret scriptures about the earth. There are 100s of scripture on this earth buddy. It says we are on pillars Christopher. What does that mean?  I already presented to you what a Firmament is. Its solid structure..lol Is You are will never convince me by telling me you can interpret those scriptures for me... lol The earth is stable and their is solid firmament above us...you are in the programmed world. And call God a liar by saying his scripture does not say what it says. How in the world do expect an awake person to beleive anything you say. When you condradict your own words. You somehow think you have this inside scoop on repentence. But called God q liar on his Creation.  Give me a break dude....You sound like a freemason. Many of those in the apostate Church...matter of they have taken over the Churches all over world. ARE you a Mason Christopher? I may be wrong just asking. 

Acts 26:19-20 KJV
Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision: But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and bring forth works worthy of repentence.

So Christopher..you are lashing out at me and saying God is not Redundant or something like... This scripture is clearly saying that there must be works worthy of your repentence...  After you repent you must have works worthy of repentence...clear as day.
You can try all you want to make it say something else...lol  But it says what it says
Listen Jeff, I've got work to do. It took me two hours to write that letter to you because I wanted to be charitable and take the time with you. You are spending probably about two minutes writing a response; I don't have time to keep this up. You obviously don't want to hear any of this and you don't care, so I won't waste my time anymore. I will simply repeat what I said, since you ignored it:
You know what really made you angry about my first email response to you? This verse:
The LORD reigneth; let the people tremble: he sitteth between the cherubims; let the earth be moved.
-Psa 99:1
The flat earth community forgot to tell you about that one, didn't they? When you're ready to "stop picking and choosing Scriptures that benefit your agenda," let me know, and we can have a chat. Have a great day.
END OF DISCUSSION
Of course, he is now spamming my inbox, which means I will likely have to block him after I give him a warning. I already know his type; they won't stop. They can't because their pride will not allow them to.

So, in short, he got caught giving the wrong definition of repentance, and then changed it four times. He said it was godly sorrow, then said it was turning from sin, then said it was changing of mind, and is now back to godly sorrow. This means he has no idea what he's talking about, but is unwilling to admit his own lack of understanding, meaning that pride is controlling his tongue, and that means we are not brethren with him. He has given us ZERO evidence that has has a repentant heart.

Of course, he also realized that I caught him in the fact that he would not ask any questions, which was said in the context of seeking understanding of a matter. So, instead of doing that, he put question marks on the end of sentences to ask LOADED questions, which means they are questions not designed to be answer because they have a built-in conclusion.

Do you watch TV Christopher?
Do you watch Sports?
Do you listen to worldly music?
Or any music for that matter including main stream Christian?
Are you on facebook Christopher?
Do you think you are the only one that can interpret scripture?

He did not want answers to these questions because all he had to do was go look some things up. You guys know I don't watch TV, I can't stand sports, I can't stand worldly music, and even have a book exposing the so-called "Christian" music industry (which is advertised on the front page of my website in clear view), and I got off of Facebook at the beginning of the year. He could have found this information easily if he did a little research on his own, but he did not want that information. He just wanted to believe these things about me so that way he had some reason to accuse me.

I refuse  to sit here and right down every scritpture like some arrogant troll. Speaking for myself. Not you. I know what Gods word says.
See my point? He has no charity in his heart. What if I was unsaved? What if he understood the gospel of Christ and I did not? He will not even bother to explain it to me? This is standard operating procedure from those in the conspiracy cults because they don't really understand God's Word.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
-1Co 2:14

Because we asked him for his salvation testimony (which he still refuses to give), and because we rejected his gospel of "flat earth or you are lost" philosophy, he has called us prideful, self-righteous, arrogant, egotistical, and hateful. Notice that he never once quoted us and gave an example of how we were any of these things, like how we quoted him and proved the matter by his own words, but rather, he just says them. It's no different than a child who repeatedly says, "I know you are, but what am I?"

It's funny how you call me an evolutionist when you believe the evolution lie of what the earth is...
I never said he was an evolutionist. Read it carefully. I said he upholds a uniformitarian philosophy, which is the same as evolutionists uphold. Again, this is what I have experienced from EVERY flat earther I have run into.

He's so angry by that one verse I quoted to him in Psalm 99, and still, he won't ask me what it means. That's why I didn't explain to him anything about Psalm 93 or 99. All he had to do was ask me, but his unwillingness to do that simply demonstrates that he did not come here to learn anything.

Give me a break dude....You sound like a freemason. Many of those in the apostate Church...matter of they have taken over the Churches all over world. ARE you a Mason Christopher? I may be wrong just asking.
That was not a question. It was an accusation. He wants to believe it because, in his flat-earth cult, anyone who does not accept a flat earth is a freemason. He is completely unaware that I wrote a book exposing Freemasonry:
Freemasony: A Luciferian Beacon

I can't help someone like that, but I can document the conversation so you all can benefit from that discussion, and I hope that God gives Jeff as much mercy and longsuffering as He has given me.

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Introducing myself

« on: June 10, 2021, 08:17:14 PM »

Especially the fellow that wrote ahead of you.. They believe everything you say....don't they?
I know, it's strange. They refuse to give us their salvation testimony in Jesus Christ, kinda' like you Jeff, and then suddenly, they imply that I am some sort of religious cult leader, all because we do not agree with Jeff, the great and mighty seeker of truth.

you are weird bunch...like you are cult leader and they go by everything you say...you are not Jesus
He wrote that while I was writing my response. I had not even seen it, and I knew what he was doing. You either agree with Jeff or your a cultist; that's his prideful attitude. This is exactly why we do the introductions with people, so we can tell Christians apart from contentious churchgoers.

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Introducing myself

« on: June 10, 2021, 08:14:31 PM »

Of course its Godly sorrow...maybe I did not make that clear. But faith without works is dead...I don't care what you guys say. You sound like easy beleivism like all the Churches of today.  You cannot continue to indulge in sin and claim you are saved...that's a lie from the devil.  And you guys are very rude to say the least... I read alot of the the introductions from people and yall are very rude to many of them . Especially the fellow that wrote ahead of you.. They believe everything you say....don't they? WOW

Of course its Godly sorrow...maybe I did not make that clear.
Okay, Jeff, don't lie to us. I'm not going to tolerate that. I'm okay if you make a mistake or something like that, but now you're just lying. Here is what you said:
It can mean sorrow, but more so means to turn from you sin
You made it perfectly clear what you believe, but now that you are facing some folks that know Scripture, you're trying to change your tune to match whatever we believe to save face, without confessing that you taught something wrong. I know why you're doing that too, but I won't get into that. If you are not going to confess the truth, then again, you will not find brethren here.

But faith without works is dead...I don't care what you guys say.
When did we say that we are not to do the good works of the Spirit of God? Why are you accusing us of that? We said that those works are NOT the foundation of saving grace, and you could not even admit that.
Furthermore, you would have thrown a fit on this forum if we responded to your first post by saying, "I don't care what you guys say." I am amazed by the hypocrisy that you want us to treat you with what you called "politeness," while you get to say whatever you feel like to us. Again, what proceeds from your mouth (or your fingertips in typing) comes forth from your heart:
But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
-Mat 15:18

You sound like easy beleivism like all the Churches of today.
You cannot be serious. I wrote a book called WHY MILLIONS OF BELIEVERS ON JESUS ARE GOING TO HELL, and I am getting accused of being a part of "easy believism?" That's a first. However, I know why you are on the attack on that point, and that is because when I said that you believe in works-doctrine, I hit the nail on the head didn't I?

You cannot continue to indulge in sin and claim you are saved...that's a lie from the devil.
Correct. You cannot continue to indulge the pride in your heart and claim you are saved; that's a lie from the devil.
But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
-James 4:6

And you guys are very rude to say the least
That's called projection. That's when you accuse others of what you are guilty of doing yourself. You came to our forum, as a guest in our home, and you immediately started to falsely accuse us of an assortment of things without any evidence. Very rude Jeff, and we don't appreciate it, but I pray the Lord Jesus Christ would bless you and your family with as much grace as He has kindly given to me.
Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing.
-1Pe 3:9

I read alot of the the introductions from people and yall are very rude to many of them
We just asked them for their testimony of Jesus Christ, and they refused to give us their testimony of salvation in Jesus Christ. Sound familiar?

Especially the fellow that wrote ahead of you.. They believe everything you say....don't they?
I know, it's strange. They refuse to give us their salvation testimony in Jesus Christ, kinda' like you Jeff, and then suddenly, they imply that I am some sort of religious cult leader, all because we do not agree with Jeff, the great and mighty seeker of truth.

Good thing we have God's Word to protect us.
For the oppression of the poor, for the sighing of the needy, now will I arise, saith the LORD; I will set him in safety from him that puffeth at him. The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
-Psa 12:5-7

Jeff, I hope you have a great day, and I hope the Lord Jesus Christ blesses you with all your needs throughout the coming months of change here in the U.S.
Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
-Pro 26:5

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« on: June 10, 2021, 07:06:24 PM »

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Introducing myself

« on: June 10, 2021, 07:01:56 PM »

My name is Jeffery young. I found this site by accident looking for true Christian's that love Jesus and are awake to the lies of this world. I happened to read the post  by the owner of this website about the Greek lexicon deception. I found it very refreshing. My reason for being on here is to find others that know that Covid 19 virus was fake and that Christian's should not fall for it. I want to find others that know that we have been lied to about the Earth. NASA is a freemason/luciferian organization and has decieved us about what we live on and many beleive the fake science/psuedoscience being thrown at us in all directions. I would like to show people how we been lied and prove it though scripture. The Bible says Satan has decieved the whole world and its 100% true. Even so called beleivers or decieved by these luciferians/masons that run this world. I am a Christian. I attend no 501 3c coded Church. The Church is not a building. Its the people who actually love Jesus Christ and do as he commands. I do not watch TV, listen to any music whether supposed Christian or not. Many so called Christian singers have come out gay and openly admitted they were never Christian's. I do not watch any TV. I do not watch movies. Everything is for programming our minds. If you love the world you cannot love God.  I beleive in repentance and only use KJV. All others are corrupted. I believe we must live a holy life. I beleive we should confess our sins to God when we are aware that we have sinned  I bleive we should pray without ceasing. I believe only in the Doctrine of Gods word. I listen to no man. It's almost impossible to find a true teacher is this day and age. I read the Bible and the Holy Spirit is my teacher. I do not believe in the rapture. We will go though the tribuation. Its cut and dry and I have no idea why it's even an issue. If you are going to respond, please be polite as I will treat you as Jesus commanded us to.

Hi Jeff, I'm the guy that wrote "the post by the owner of this website about the Greek lexicon deception." I presume you mean:
The Dangers of Using Lexicons and Concordances

I can already tell by your post that you did not read more about what we believe and teach, and you did not read the big link on the main forum page that says "NEW MEMBERS CLICK HERE," which would have led you to this link: http://www.creationliberty.com/forum/index.php?topic=20.0, and that would have explained to you that you did not, in the slightest capacity, put any information that is required of new members to this forum.

Already, that shows us that you do not look into things before you open your mouth. You can be as offended as you want by that statement, but so far, the evidence is on my side. Perhaps you will show us a different example from here on out, and I will be proven wrong; we'll see.

I fully agree with Tim's assessment of what you said. You have stated that you believe that you have to "turn from sin" to be saved, which means you believe in works doctrine. We do not teach that here because we only preach the grace of Jesus Christ as the foundation of salvation.

And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
-Rom 11:6

Now, if what you said was true, namely, "I found this site by accident looking for true Christian's that love Jesus and are awake to the lies of this world," we are now trying to explain to you that you have been taken in by one of the BIGGEST lies of the devil, which is the false doctrine that you have learned on repentance. If your statement was not true, and that you were just puffing yourself up for what you thought was a fancy introduction post, then please just be straight-forward and let us know, but if your statement was true, and you are looking to fellowship with those who truly love Christ, then I would suggest reading this short book that I wrote (which is free-to-read on the website):
Why Millions of Believers on Jesus Are Going to Hell

If you want to take some time to read that, and then get back with us and share your thoughts, I would be interested to hear from you. However, if you do not want to understand the fundamental Gospel of Jesus Christ, then you are NOT going to find like-minded brethren here, no matter how many other worldly things we might agree on concerning COVID, freemasons, NASA, luciferins, etc, etc. If those worldly things take priority for you over the doctrines of Jesus Christ, then you are not our brethren.

So because you selected "Christian" as your chosen religious belief, I want to put your own words to the test:
You can't pick and choose what is true out the Bible.
Correct. The Bible is true no matter what you personally want to believe, and so let's find out if you are truly born again in the Lord Jesus Christ. Let's hear your testimony of salvation, then, we will know what doctrine you believe and teach, and then, we will know if we are talking to brethren, or talking to a false convert. (All our testimonies are public on this forum, but we have not heard from you yet.)

It's your choice, but I can say this for sure, if you refuse to share that with us, it will be out of the pride (i.e. sin) of your heart (which you are clearly starting to flash at us), and that is NOT treating us "as Jesus commanded us to."

Correction is grievous unto him that forsaketh the way: and he that hateth reproof shall die.
-Proverbs 15:10

But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.
-1Co 11:16

Cast out the scorner, and contention shall go out; yea, strife and reproach shall cease.
-Proverbs 22:10

Ellie was very calm and gentle in her writing, and you really snapped back at her much more than was necessary. She has been very gentle and kind since I have first known her, so your response was NOT reflective of what Jesus taught us. I don't see why we can't be reasonable and calm with one another, but it's up to you. I'll wait to hear back from you on that matter.

But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
-Mat 15:18

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What's New @ CLE / (VIDEO) CLE Update | 6-9-2021

« on: June 09, 2021, 07:33:00 PM »

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General Discussion / Re: Nathan A. French - Another Scam Artist Like Mark Taylor

« on: June 09, 2021, 02:27:32 PM »

Btw, I checked out this guy's channel today because I was preparing to make a video, and last week, he uploaded this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyLOCoQJJAo

That is the fake "leg growth" trick that has been used by MANY fake "faith" healers. Essentially, a person complains about back pain, which is a common ailment. They slip their shoe slightly off of one foot, then slowly slip the shoe back onto the foot, which makes it looks like their foot is "growing." This is a well-known scam technique.

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What's New @ CLE / Re: (WEEKLY TEACHING) Psychology: Hoodwinked by the Devil p5

« on: June 08, 2021, 11:13:21 PM »

I am thankful the Lord Jesus Christ gave me understanding about these matters. But God willing, we're not done yet. I've got a lot more to produce.

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What's New @ CLE / (BOOK) Corruptions of Christianity: Seventh-day Adventism

« on: June 08, 2021, 05:14:22 PM »

This is a full-length book that is free-to-read on our website:
Corruptions of Christianity: Seventh-day Adventism



We are planning on making this available for purchase in print in the near future. If you have wondered why I have not come out with anything else for a while, it's because I spend the last six months working on this book.

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What's New @ CLE / (WEEKLY TEACHING) Psychology: Hoodwinked by the Devil p5

« on: June 07, 2021, 02:54:06 PM »

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Be Diligent

« on: June 07, 2021, 01:33:11 AM »

I hope you IP banned this account. Earlier, I did a search on his email username, and the name "Daniel" came up too. That's why when I saw the name "Daniel" from the other guy, this started making more sense. I think this is not the first time they have pulled this, and we want nothing to do with them. I pray the Lord Jesus Christ would show them as much mercy as He has shown us, and I hope they have a great week.

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Be Diligent

« on: June 06, 2021, 08:06:24 PM »

Well, there are a few key things missing.

1. I have no idea what this guy believes concerning the Gospel of Jesus Christ. His "introduction" did not bother to explain that. He replaced the Gospel of Jesus Christ with bragging about his seminary degree (SEE HERE), and obviously, he has not bothered to study much of what we believe, otherwise he would already know that such a thing makes us very suspicious of him, simply because seminaries teach a horde of corrupt traditions of men instead of Scripture.

2. We can already tell that he relies on Greek grammar dictionaries as his final authority and grand interpreter of Scripture. Most likely, the seminaries taught him that corrupt method.
See The 'Original Greek' Scam

3. I have no idea what point he's trying to make. He does that thing we all have seen many times from leavened preachers, where they just give Scripture references, but don't quote it or explain it. That is most often because they don't understand it in the first place, and also when they are trying to impress someone into thinking they understand the doctrines, when they really don't. I don't know if that is true with this man, but he is showing me all the same patterns as a typical leavened preacher.

4. Because he does that, we don't know what bible version he's using, so that means we cannot tell if he's using a corrupt new-age version.

5. We are being accused of something:
"I ask you to turn from the wrong man made doctrines in many of our churches."
Well, it seems he is addressing us all by his use of the word "you," so I can only deduce that we are all being accused of turning to man-made doctrines. Okay, which man-made doctrines have we been found guilty of following? He does not make that clear.

Despite all that, I have a couple of very important questions:

Why are you here? What exactly do you want from us?

It does not yet sound like this man has seen much of what I teach. Does he know anyone else here? Or does anyone else recognize his name? I just don't understand registering on this forum to accuse everyone in a very odd, vague, and somewhat arrogant manner, and then expect something fruitful to come out of it. That makes no sense to me, so any explanation would be helpful.


Before I got a chance to post this, Howard responded to Tim:
I did personally write this article.
No one asked you if you wrote an article.

I sounds like you are one of the say "The say the Magic Words people".
Okay, this is getting really strange. I have absolutely no idea what you just said. That's a little odd from someone who said he went to college, and he lives in California. I can't make sense of this; I would presume that you would be able to write in clear English.

If you do not see salvation in my article, do you really understand what salvation according to the Bible is?
No, we are asking YOU that question. We want to know what the Gospel of Jesus Christ is according to YOU. Our testimonies are public on this forum. You have not yet given your testimony of salvation in Jesus Christ. (i.e. Firebombing a bunch of Scripture references does not automatically mean you are of Christ.) If I were to ask you, "How can I be saved?"... what would your answer be?

And I can tell you already that you are going to have to take some time (i.e. slow down) and write in clear English, or we are not going to be able to understand you.

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Hello, everyone. New member. Testimony

« on: June 04, 2021, 01:25:03 PM »

Well, he got logged in a few times after we wrote these responses. He did not say anything. It's now been three days since he last logged in. I guess I'm not sure what the point of all this was. It seemed like he wanted to talk to us, but now it seems like he doesn't? I guess I don't understand.